Cosmology of the Electric Universe

[Native]

E&M is, specifically, electrical and magnetic forces. Electric fields are produced by charges and changing magnetic fields. Magnetic fields are produced by *moving* charges and changing electric fields. Given the electric and magnetic fields, the charge on a particle can be computed and is proportional to its charge.

Oh dear me! I otherwise reasently read somehwere the E&M forces to count each other completely out.

 

[Native]

I never claimed to have everything. But denial of what is known isn't going to produce progress.

So does denials too of what isn´t known as consensus in standard cosmology = The EU Model.

 

[Polymath257]

Oh dear me! I otherwise reasently read somehwere the E&M forces to count each other completely out.

Did I say that? No, I did not.

I *did* say that they *tend* to cancel each other out in larger materials because there are equal numbers of positive and negative charges, so the result is neutral.

Again, look at my *analogy*. If you alternatively add and subtract a large number, the result is smaller than if you always add even a much smaller number. The same happens for forces: if you have a force with two polarities (positive and negative), the result of adding together many from both polarities tends to be small. If, however, you always add, even a much smaller force, the net result can be quite large.

This is why gravity is not significant on the atomic scale but E&M is. But, on a planetary scale, the effects are reversed: planets are large enough that gravity adds up to be significant, while E&M tends to cancel out.

 

[Native]

I *did* say that they *tend* to cancel each other out in larger materials because there are equal numbers of positive and negative charges, so the result is neutral.

This is a theoretical nonsense. The two polarities in EM logically, evidently and dynamically supplement each other.

This is why gravity is not significant on the atomic scale but E&M is. But, on a planetary scale, the effects are reversed: planets are large enough that gravity adds up to be significant, while E&M tends to cancel out.

More gravity nonsense as it´s the very E&M powers which binds all atoms together in your planets and stars.

 

[gnostic]

And:

I also reject "gravitons" and the last silly invention of " inflation particles" in the strange Big Bang idea.

You both can go to CERN and see what happens to all your "particles" when smashed to a fog of EM energy waves.

The main purpose of CERN and its LHC, have everything to with testing Quantum Mechanics (or Quantum Field Theory, QFT) and the Standard Model of particle physics, and very little to do with General Relativity.

Attempts to unify both General Relativity and Quantum Field Theory, has so far being elusive, mainly because GR are most tested through observations of large structures with high masses...

...So observatories (Sloan Digital Sky Survery, Submillimeter Array, etc) and space observatories (Hubble, Spitzer, WMAP, etc) are far more useful to the study of astronomical objects and GR.

I will look forward to operation of newer space-probe, that is expected to launch later this year, the James Webb Space Telescope.

 

[Native]

The main purpose of CERN and its LHC,

The purpose of CERN is a huge idiotic waste of energy, time and economical resources. Its only value is the invention of the WWW.

 

[gnostic]

This is a theoretical nonsense. The two polarities in EM logically and evidently supplement each other.

No, Native.

They become neutral (no charge), when they are together. They are also held together by weak nuclear force.

And since atoms larger than hydrogen atom, have 2 (eg helium) or more protons within its nuclei, these positive charged particles you would expect - should repulse each other, but they don’t, because of strong nuclear force, hold them all together.

 

[Native]

They become neutral (no charge), when they are together. They are also held together by weak nuclear force.

And since atoms larger than hydrogen atom, have 2 (eg helium) or more protons within its nuclei, these positive charged particles you would expect - should repulse each other, but they don’t, because of strong nuclear force, hold them all together.

And it´s all the EM force at work with different charges, frequensies and ranges and acting with either an overall attractive or repulsive motion in a certain situation.

You logically can´t separate the principles in the EM force into several E&M forces.

 

[gnostic]

The purpose of CERN is a huge idiotic waste of energy, time and economical resources. Its only value is the invention of the WWW.

To test the proposed explanatory models to determine what are true and false, hence verification of the scientific theories, to further KNOWLEDGE and EDUCATION, are priceless endeavors.

It is lot better way to spend money, than to spend money making more powerful weapons for wars. Military spendings in the US and Russia dwarfed spending in science.

Just as wasteful, is the money given to and spent on the CIA.

 

[Native]

It is lot better way to spend money, than to spend money making more powerful weapons for wars. Military spendings in the US and Russia dwarfed spending in science.
Just as wasteful, is the money given to and spent on the CIA.

At least agreed in this but in order to understand cosmos CERN is a waste in all accounts.

 

[gnostic]

And it´s all the EM force at work with different charges, frequensies and ranges and acting with either an overall attractive or repulsive motion in a certain situation.

You logically can´t separate the principles in the E&M force into several E&M forces.

No, they aren’t the same. They are separate forces.

Weak and strong nuclear forces are separate forces to the EM force.

It is very late, so good night.

 

[gnostic]

At least agreed in this but in order to understand cosmos CERN is a waste in all accounts.

No, education is priceless.

And that can only happen if you can verify the knowledge being true, and get rid of false theories.

The Electric Universe Model is a false model, untested and untestable. Electric Universe is pseudoscience trash.

 

[Native]

No, they aren’t the same. They are separate forces.

Weak and strong nuclear forces are separate forces to the EM force.

It is very late, so good night.

Stop believing in the standard dogmatism - Good Night and Sweet Dreams.

 

[Native]

The Electric Universe Model is a false model, untested and untestable. Electric Universe is pseudoscience trash.

Congratulations! You´ve just cancelled what is said about the EM forces which you otherwise referred to. Nice logics

 

[Polymath257]

This is a theoretical nonsense. The two polarities in EM logically, evidently and dynamically supplement each other.

No, it is NOT theoretical nonsense. It is actually measured and verified fact.

More gravity nonsense as it´s the very E&M powers which binds all atoms together in your planets and stars.

You like to dismiss everything as nonsense that shows your ideas are wrong. The fact that actual observations contradict your claims seems to be irrelevant to you.

 

[Polymath257]

Congratulations! You´ve just cancelled what is said about the EM forces which you otherwise referred to. Nice logics

Not at all. E&M is a well established collection of ideas. There are any number of excellent textbooks going over the theory and applications of those ideas.

The EU, on the other hand, ignores all the facts we know about E&M and goes off into loony land.

 

[gnostic]

Congratulations! You´ve just cancelled what is said about the EM forces which you otherwise referred to. Nice logics

No, I didn’t “canceled” EM forces. Just the Electric Universe cosmology that you believe in, isn’t a scientific theory.

You claimed that light and EM forces create and control everything, without the need of gravitation interaction, of weak nuclear interactions, and of strong nuclear interactions. Everything...:

• from the elementary particles (eg quarks into hadron particles and meson particles) to the atomic matters (eg nuclei together with protons, neutrons),
• the things (EM forces, without strong & weak nuclear forces),
• that keep all objects Earth-bound without gravity (eg what cause objects to fall),
• create Earth tides without gravitation,
• cause the planetary rotations and keep planetary objects orbiting around a star,
• that light cause heat and sunlight shining without the needs of nuclear fusion in the star core (hence, Stellar Nucleosynthesis),
• EM forces are the only forces to cause the rotation of galactic spiral arms, without gravitation,
• etc, etc, etc

If the Electric Universe Model was true, then you should be able to supply all the observational and experimental evidence and data that back up all these known phenomena listed above, WITH ONLY EQUATIONS OF THE EM FORCES.

@Polymath257, @TagliatelliMonster and @joelr have all asked you to present mathematical equations of EM of these and observations that verify your em equations and support EU model, but you haven’t presented any that can justify and verify EU cosmology.

Without the evidence supporting your EM equations, then Electric Universe isn’t scientific, it is pseudoscience.

 

[Native]

Apparently some posts are lost or deleted in the thread. I was about to give a reply to Polymath257 but I cannot find his relevant post anymore.

 

[Native]

No, I didn’t “canceled” EM forces. Just the Electric Universe cosmology that you believe in, isn’t a scientific theory.

I know, you´ve read so and of course you believe this without giving the EU an independent thougth at all.

You claimed that light and EM forces create and control everything, without the need of gravitation interaction,

Correct.

You claimed . . . . , without the need . . . of weak nuclear interactions, and of strong nuclear interactions.

Where did you get that from? You´re skewing my statement. I said:

And it´s all the EM force at work with different charges, frequensies and ranges and acting with either an overall attractive or repulsive motion in a certain situation.

That is: In the Electric Universe, there is just the very principle of electromagnetism: Electric currents which induces magnetic fields, which induces electric currents which induces magnetic fields, which induces electric currents which induces magnetic fields etc etc.

It´s all the principle EM force at work with different charges, frequensies and ranges and acting with either an overall attractive or repulsive motion in a certain situation of formation.

@Polymath257, @TagliatelliMonster and @joelr have all asked you to present mathematical equations of EM of these and observations that verify your em equations and support EU model, but you haven’t presented any that can justify and verify EU cosmology.

If you and @Polymath257, @TagliatelliMonster and @joelr are seriously interested in the EU, you all can do your own homework.

Just get rid of "Newton´s superstitious two body gravity model" and use the EM calculations everywhere in cosmos.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

If you and @Polymath257, @TagliatelliMonster and @joelr are seriously interested in the EU, you all can do your own homework.

Our only "homework" concerning a claim that YOU make, is to ask you to present YOUR homework.
Once you do that, our "homework" becomes reviewing that which you present.

Just get rid of "Newton´s superstitious two body gravity model" and use the EM calculations everywhere in cosmos.

We don't understand how to do that.
You apparently do.

Please explain it to us.