Could Jesus Have Been Simply a Fraud?

[outhouse]

So feeding several thousand on more than one occasion was an error?

Not an error. It was fictional rhetoric used to help compete against the Emperors divinity.

The movement sought gentiles who had to worship the Emperor, which spoke to large crowds in amphitheaters.

So the unknown authors placed Jesus in front of large crowds as well.


Its like the fictional "Sermon on the mount" the unknown authors did not even know where it happened because it did not happen. One places it on a hill, the other a valley floor. And his parables were ment to be heard one at a time and digested. They loose all meaning rambled off, one after another. Scholars claim it was probably a collection of parables added to the books. And of course each unknown authors version is night and day different. [hint because they were not there]

 

[outhouse]

If I had to bet on it, I would bet that steeltoes is quite a bit more knowledgeable about the record than you are.

But maybe I'm wrong. Why don't you engage him regarding what the record says?

I keep him on ignore


He/she doesn't do well or even debate backed into a corner.

 

[AmbiguousGuy]

Am I a Jesus myther? I don't think so.

So far as I can tell 'Jesus Myther' is a term used primarily to deride those who disagree with one's personal view of Jesus. Those who use the term will generally append 'atheistic' to it. An atheistic Jesus Myther is apparently as bad as it gets. Mangy curdogs turn up their noses in disdain when an atheistic Jesus Myther walks by.

Just my impression, anyway. I've tried asking people what they mean by it when they use it, but no one has yet answered me.

 

[outhouse]

Well known in Galilee. Crowds gathered to see, watch and hear him.

If that were the case, Antipas would have his head like John.

You don't think Jesus learned from Johns mistakes of large crowds?

Yep...... would have read about him. He may have been the basis for some of Christianity all on his own.

Nice guess.

Without jesus action in the temple you might not have ever heard about him.

Correct. He knew little about Yeshua. He cared even less about Yeshua.

Funny.

he lived and died for him.

Well known in Galilee. The priesthood was concerned about him, as well as JtB.

Before his action in the temple he was unknown.

He was not noticed by any priesthood.


There were thousands of teachers like him, the only difference is they didn't get noticed by half a million people at Passover, jesus did.

 

[AmbiguousGuy]

..... so was I. I had to direct the honourable member's attention to my friggin' title.

OK...... what are you? I've always wondered, because your title is 'Me and God'. I sincerely hope you're not His best mate after my previous posts to you.

Sorry, but I am indeed God's best mate. I am an actual and genine prophet of God.

But not to worry. We don't hold grudges.

 

[outhouse]

Just my impression, anyway. I've tried asking people what they mean by it when they use it, but no one has yet answered me.

Because your being facetious.

 

[AmbiguousGuy]

I keep him on ignore

He/she doesn't do well or even debate backed into a corner.

That's not my experience of steeltoes. To me, he seems to know way more than anyone else about the HJ question, but for some reason seems reticent to engage the debate as forcefully as he might.

 

[AmbiguousGuy]

Because your being facetious.

Sorry you feel that way. But I come before you now in all earnestness, on my mother's honor and my father's grave... asking you to please write me a hundred-word definition of 'Jesus Myther.' Please do it.

According to the definition as offered by Wiki, you yourself are a Jesus Myther.

 

[outhouse]

Sorry you feel that way. But I come before you now in all earnestness, on my mother's honor and my father's grave... asking you to please write me a hundred-word definition of 'Jesus Myther.' Please do it.

According to the definition as offered by Wiki, you yourself are a Jesus Myther.

Stop it

Your transparent.

 

[outhouse]

he seems to know way more than anyone else about the HJ question

I know who he is from other forums. But even then :jester3: your hilarious.

 

[AmbiguousGuy]

Stop it

Your transparent.

I'm sure that you are as certain of my nature as you are of the nature of the historical Jesus.

 

[outhouse]

If your that bored for attention, why not try to participate in this debate?

 

[AmbiguousGuy]

If your that bored for attention, why not try to participate in this debate?

I am here to answer any question you might have about the historical Jesus.

What is your question?

 

[outhouse]

That's funny it sure resembles trolling.

 

[gree0232]

That's funny it sure resembles trolling.

Well, it just might be then ...

 

[AmbiguousGuy]

That's funny it sure resembles trolling.

Jesus was a fictional character created by the writer of gMark. I'm pretty sure of that, but you are welcome to challenge it as much as you like.

To answer the OP, it means that Jesus was not a fraud. He never claimed to be what he wasn't.

 

[outhouse]

Jesus was a fictional character created by the writer of gMark. I'm pretty sure of that, .

You cannot prove it, you cannot even make a good case for it. No one has. :areyoucra


Your welcome to believe what you want.

 

[AmbiguousGuy]

You cannot prove it, you cannot even make a good case for it. No one has. :areyoucra

No one can prove their version of Jesus. No one can even make a good case for their Jesus.

So I agree with you. It's good to finally agree.

 

[outhouse]

You must love fiction then.

 

[AmbiguousGuy]

You must love fiction then.

Some fiction but not all. I'm especially uninterested in ancient fiction. I haven't read the gospels since teenagehood.