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Could Nothingness Be Another Dimension In And Of Itself?

Rick O'Shez

Rick O'Shez

Irishman bouncing off walls
godnotgod said:
You miss the point. Think again. Every thing within the universe is relative to one another. But the totality of Everything (ie The Universe) is The Absolute itself. Do you understand?
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No. The universe is just, well, the universe, everything. Perpetual change. Calling it fancy names like "The Absolute" doesn't go anywhere.
 
godnotgod

godnotgod

Thou art That
Spiny Norman said:
Oceans are not permanent or unchanging. They are in a constant state of flux, waves are just the surface sign of it.
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Yes, there is change on the surface and within the ocean, but the ocean itself is permanent, in comparison to the waves and any internal flux. The ocean remains the ocean. Waves and water in flux do not remain.
 
Rick O'Shez

Rick O'Shez

Irishman bouncing off walls
godnotgod said:
Nonsense. Show me the religion or belief involved. I have never espoused any doctrine whatsoever.
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All your buzzwords are beliefs. "Absolute Reality", "Cosmic Consciousness", "The Changeless", etc etc. As I said, your head is so stuffed full of them that you can't see the wood for the trees.
 
Rick O'Shez

Rick O'Shez

Irishman bouncing off walls
godnotgod said:
Yes, there is change on the surface and within the ocean, but the ocean itself is permanent, in comparison to the waves and any internal flux. The ocean remains the ocean. Waves and water in flux do not remain.
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Nah, it's all just water in constant flux, nothing permanent or unchanging. Why do you keep grasping at these fictional absolutes?
 
godnotgod

godnotgod

Thou art That
Spiny Norman said:
No. The universe is just, well, the universe, everything. Perpetual change. .
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The Universe is in constant change, but the totality of what changes is absolute. Why? Because there is no relative 'other' to which it can be compared. That is the meaning of 'absolute'.

ab·so·lute
ˈabsəˌlo͞ot,ˌabsəˈlo͞ot/
adjective
adjective: absolute
  1. 1.
    not qualified or diminished in any way; total.
    "absolute secrecy"

  2. 2.
    viewed or existing independently and not in relation to other things; not relative or comparative.
    "absolute moral standards"
    synonyms: universal, fixed, independent, nonrelative, nonvariable, absolutist
    "absolute moral standards"
    antonyms: relative, flexible
 
godnotgod

godnotgod

Thou art That
Spiny Norman said:
All your buzzwords are beliefs. "Absolute Reality", "Cosmic Consciousness", "The Changeless", etc etc
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No, they're what is seen directly without thought, without belief, exactly the experience of the Buddha.

note: I have NEVER used the phrase 'Absolute Reality'. You are again making things up, like 'new age Hinduism', whatever that is, your mind weaving its web overtime.
 
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godnotgod

godnotgod

Thou art That
Spiny Norman said:
Nah, it's all just water in constant flux, nothing permanent or unchanging.
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But you see, the totality of the body of water in flux does not change. It's like Einstein's Constancy Laws: matter and energy are interchangeable, and there is constant interaction within the system, but the totality itself does not change. In the end, nothing changes. That is The Changeless; The Absolute.
 
Rick O'Shez

Rick O'Shez

Irishman bouncing off walls
godnotgod said:
But you see, the totality of the body of water in flux does not change. It's like Einstein's Constancy Laws: matter and energy are interchangeable, and there is constant interaction within the system, but the totality itself does not change. In the end, nothing changes. That is The Changeless; The Absolute.
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Doesn't make sense because the totality of stuff is constantly changing too - the universe is expanding all the time for example. Oceans come and go. Nothing is fixed.
 
godnotgod

godnotgod

Thou art That
Spiny Norman said:
No, if everything is relative then "absolute" is completely redundant. Obviously you have a strong belief in absolutes but that doesn't make it so.
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Yin and Yang each are RELATIVE opposites, but taken together symbolize The Absolute

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Runewolf1973

Runewolf1973

Materialism/Animism
godnotgod said:
The impermanent (ie; 'change') is to the permanent (ie; The Changeless) what the wave is to the ocean. The wave will not last. But the wave is made up of the ocean, which does last. Another analogy is that of the sand castle to the beach. The castle will fall, but the beach will remain.
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The beach is always changing. The ocean is always changing. Everything changes, there is NO absolute.
 
Rick O'Shez

Rick O'Shez

Irishman bouncing off walls
godnotgod said:
note: I have NEVER used the phrase 'Absolute Reality'.
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Really? The problem is that you churn out so many of these ill-defined buzz-words that it is very difficult to keep track of what they are and what they mean and how they differ, etc.
In any case they are clearly beliefs that you have.
 
godnotgod

godnotgod

Thou art That
Spiny Norman said:
Doesn't make sense because the totality of stuff is constantly changing too - the universe is expanding all the time for example. Oceans come and go. Nothing is fixed.
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The Universe, as I am using the term, is as follows:

The Universe is all of time and space and its contents. The Universe includes planets, stars, galaxies, the contents of intergalactic space, the smallest subatomic particles, and all matter and energy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universe

So this includes any expansion or change within the system, as well as all multiverses. As I said, it is the totality of Everything.

That oceans come and go simply signifies the limitation of the metaphor. In reality, The Changeless, The Absolute, does not come and go.
 
Runewolf1973

Runewolf1973

Materialism/Animism
godnotgod said:
Heh...heh...if there is no unchanging absolute, and there is only interaction, then interaction, by default, is the absolute, because there is no relative 'other' to compare it to. But because you perceive 'change', it is relative. That much cannot be denied and is crystal clear. But you are making it an absolute. Just the fact that interaction occurs, it is automatically relative, and being relative, implies an absolute, which you are not aware of, simply because you are focused on the foreground which is change. You fail to take note of the background because it is passive and does not capture your attention as change does. Is this not clear to you?
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There is no "absolute". Change is seen against the background of change.
 
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