Could Nothingness Be Another Dimension In And Of Itself?

[godnotgod]

Wrong. Saying that something has an opposite doesn't require the opposite to actually exist.

If that is the case, then you are back to the problem that Runewolf denies: which is that interaction is not an absolute. He has made it an absolute by eliminating The Changeless background, and establishing interaction as the only reality. That, by definition, is an absolute, because he says there is no other condition than interaction, which is completely ridiculous.

 

[godnotgod]

There is no "absolute". Change is seen against the background of change.

all of which occurs against the ultimate background of The Changeless. See how this works?

If there is no absolute, and there is only interaction, you have unwittingly just created the absolute of interaction, since there is no 'other' condition to which it can be compared. Your position is ridiculous from the POV of Logic.

 

[Rick O'Shez]

....it is the totality of Everything.
In reality, The Changeless, The Absolute, does not come and go.

But as I said, the totality is continually changing too. Big bangs, universes popping in and out of existence, multiverses proliferating, who knows what. Saying that everything is the "Changeless" is a meaningless statement here.

 

[Rick O'Shez]

If that is the case, then you are back to the problem that Runewolf denies: which is that interaction is not an absolute. He has made it an absolute by eliminating The Changeless background, and establishing interaction as the only reality. That, by definition, is an absolute, because he says there is no other condition than interaction, which is completely ridiculous.

If everything is interaction and perpetual change then the concept of something unchanging is redundant and meaningless.

 

[Runewolf1973]

all of which occurs against the ultimate background of The Changeless. See how this works?

You are reading too many fantasy novels.

 

[godnotgod]

If the changeless is absolute, then it should not have an opposite value, but yet it does...change.

No, it does not. 'Change' is maya, which is illusion, which does not exist. Only The Changeless is the true Reality. The rest is a dream.
There is relative change, and relative changelesness, but ultimately there is only The Absolute that is The Changeless.

 

[Rick O'Shez]

If there is no absolute, and there is only interaction, you have unwittingly just created the absolute of interaction, since there is no 'other' condition to which it can be compared. Your position is ridiculous from the POV of Logic.

The same logic applies to your "Changeless" which cannot be an absolute.

 

[Rick O'Shez]

No, it does not. 'Change' is maya, which is illusion, which does not exist.

You're back to the new-age Hinduism again I see.

 

[godnotgod]

If everything is interaction and perpetual change then the concept of something unchanging is redundant and meaningless.

but only if change is real. by its nature, change is impermanent, making it unreal. This is demonstrated in Quantum Physics via the Quantum and Higgs Fields creating the virtual mass of the atom, rendering all of 'material' reality virtual in nature.

 

[godnotgod]

The same logic applies to your "Changeless" which cannot be an absolute.

By definition, The Changeless is permanence, and we define what is real and absolute by what is permanent. Change, OTOH, is impermanent, the hallmark of illusion.

 

[Rick O'Shez]

but only if change is real. by its nature, change is impermanent, making it unreal. This is demonstrated in Quantum Physics via the Quantum and Higgs Fields creating the virtual mass of the atom, rendering all of 'material' reality virtual in nature.

Quantum mechanics is all about probability, no room for absolutes there.

 

[Rick O'Shez]

By definition, The Changeless is permanence, and we define what is real and absolute by what is permanent. Change, OTOH, is impermanent, the hallmark of illusion.

There is no changeless impermanent thingy, it's all just in your head. Get a grip!

 

[godnotgod]

You're back to the new-age Hinduism again I see.

Do you see 'material reality' as real?

 

[godnotgod]

There is no changeless impermanent thingy, it's all just in your head. Get a grip!

There is no changing interaction 'thingy'. Its all just in your head. Get a grip.

 

[godnotgod]

Quantum mechanics is all about probability, no room for absolutes there.

If all of material reality is virtual, then what is there that is interacting?

 

[Rick O'Shez]

Do you see 'material reality' as real?

Have you dropped a brick on your foot yet?

 

[Rick O'Shez]

If all of material reality is virtual, then what is there that is interacting?

QM is all about interaction. But if you want to understand everyday interaction then try the brick dropped on foot experiment.

 

[Rick O'Shez]

There is no changing interaction 'thingy'. Its all just in your head. Get a grip.

The great thing about interaction is that it's not a thingy, it's just how things are. Pop your head out of the rabbit hole and you will see!

 

[godnotgod]

Were it not for Absolute Nothingness, there could not be absolutely Everything.

 

[godnotgod]

QM is all about interaction. .

Interaction of what? material reality does not exist. it's virtual reality appearing as material reality. get your head out of the old materialist paradigm so you can see.