Rick O'Shez
Irishman bouncing off walls
Nah. Everything is just, well, everything. Nothingness doesn't exist except as a concept in your mind. Same with Absolute and all your other buzz-word thingies.
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Could Nothingness Be Another Dimension In And Of Itself?
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Nah. Everything is just, well, everything. Nothingness doesn't exist except as a concept in your mind. Same with Absolute and all your other buzz-word thingies.
godnotgod
Thou art That
Rick O'Shez
Irishman bouncing off walls
godnotgod
Thou art That
At the moment of the Big Bang, there was no Time or Space, or form. There was No-thing. Then there was Every-thing. Out of No-thing, came Every-thing.
Rick O'Shez
Irishman bouncing off walls
And you're being fooled by all the imaginings in your head, you think they are actually real. A common malady!
Rick O'Shez
Irishman bouncing off walls
Irrelevant.
godnotgod
Thou art That
You obviously haven't tried the brick dropped on foot experiment yet.
You seem quite fond of this experiment. Are you certain you did'nt inadvertently drop it on your head, just once?
Rick O'Shez
Irishman bouncing off walls
It's good for shocking people back into the real world.
It's the building site equivalent of Zennies being hit with a stick when they fall asleep in the meditation hall.
Come on, wake up and smell the coffee!
godnotgod
Thou art That
One cannot be fooled by Nothingness. My head is empty. I just see things as they are, and what I see is the ultimate reality of Nothing, which is The Changeless, which is The Absolute. You seem to be the one who has all of these things swimming round in your head you think are interacting one with the other. Mere appearances, m'boy....mere appearances.
Rick O'Shez
Irishman bouncing off walls
Of course you do.
godnotgod
Thou art That
It's good for shocking people back into the real world.
It's the building site equivalent of Zennies being hit with a stick when they fall asleep in the meditation hall.
Come on, wake up and smell the coffee!
You're missing the point of Zen if that is what you think, and are wasting your time on your mat. Zen is about awakening from what we only think to be 'the real world' and to realize that the ordinary and the miraculous are one and the same. It's exactly the same experience of the Hindu jiva realizing he is none other than Brahman.
godnotgod
Thou art That
godnotgod
Thou art That
So you agree that Nothing is the fundamental reality, out of which Everything comes. Good!
And a wave of his hand and saying "it's good". Did he click his fingers ?
Does he have hands, or fingers ? Where was he standing, floating, hovering, or whatever;
in this nothingness when everything appeared out of no-where.
How could he be outside the nothingness and into everything that didn't happen yet ?
Now, that should eliminate the existance of any 'gods', from where'd everything come ?
Where in this non-existant, non-created, entity could we find this NON everything ?
Maybe I'm just having another stroke !
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'mud
Does he have hands, or fingers ? Where was he standing, floating, hovering, or whatever;
in this nothingness when everything appeared out of no-where.
How could he be outside the nothingness and into everything that didn't happen yet ?
Now, that should eliminate the existance of any 'gods', from where'd everything come ?
Where in this non-existant, non-created, entity could we find this NON everything ?
Maybe I'm just having another stroke !
~
'mud
Rick O'Shez
Irishman bouncing off walls
You are completely confused.
Rick O'Shez
Irishman bouncing off walls
godnotgod
Thou art That
As it is, it makes for a symbol of relative change vs relative changelesness, with the entire symbol signifying The Absolute of The Changeless. You would have each half and the totality symbolizing only change, which makes no sense at all.
godnotgod
Thou art That
In Zen Buddhism, the keisaku (Japanese: 警策, Chinese: 香板, xiāng bǎn; kyōsaku in the Soto school) is a flat wooden stick or slat used during periods of meditation to remedy sleepiness or lapses of concentration.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keisaku
The Zen stick is not used, as you claimed, 'for shocking people back into the real world.' If they were in the real world to begin with, there would be no need of Zen practice. They need Zen practice because their minds have been conditioned by what society calls 'the real world', a dead world of separate objects seen by a separate observer. The awakening which the Zen practitioner experiences is not the kind you claim, which only brings one back to Samsara, but is a merging of the observer with the observed as one in a radical transformation of consciousness in which The Ordinary and The Miraculous are seen and understood as one and the same experience. Hence:
"Before Enlightenment, sweeping the floor;
after Enlightenment, sweeping the floor"
The reason it is you who is confused is because in Zen, there are many shocking aphorisms and koans designed to cause a true spiritual awakening, short-circuiting the rational mind. Apparently you left Zen because you failed to comprehend some of its deeper meanings.
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godnotgod
Thou art That
O ye of little faith! Just know that this 'NON everything' is That itself. There is no 'He'; there is only IT, and you're It, pretending not to be it, in the supreme cosmic game of Hide and Seek.
godnotgod
Thou art That
It's good for shocking people back into the real world.
It's the building site equivalent of Zennies being hit with a stick when they fall asleep in the meditation hall.
Come on, wake up and smell the coffee!
I see now you are the Sargeant who throws cold water into the face to bring them 'back to reality'. You remind me of the following Zen joke:
'When a monk asked Master Teng Yin-feng what were the essential teachings of the Buddha and the Patriarchs, he retorted:
"The Buddha is a bull-headed jail-keeper, and the Patriarchs are horse-faced old maids!"