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Could Nothingness Be Another Dimension In And Of Itself?

outhouse

outhouse

Atheistically
Unification said:
All knowledge is stored in certain forms of light/energy.
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Provide credible sources.

No one should post or reply with unsubstantiated opinions with no value.

Factually no knowledge is stored in light. Light does not have memory.

Light is a mechanical means to transfer knowledge the same way copper does.
 
Unification

Unification

Well-Known Member
outhouse said:
Provide credible sources.

No one should post or reply with unsubstantiated opinions with no value.

Factually no knowledge is stored in light. Light does not have memory.

Light is a mechanical means to transfer knowledge the same way copper does.
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You're correct, it's all that you do. It's what you also did in this response. Exactly no sources.

Factually if everything is energy and matter, memory and knowledge has to be stored somewhere. Choose which.

If memory and knowledge are neither matter nor energy... what are they?

If the human is more complex than just ordinary matter and energy, then it will require more complex matter and energy.
 
Unification

Unification

Well-Known Member
outhouse said:
Provide credible sources.

No one should post or reply with unsubstantiated opinions with no value.
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All of your posts are unsubstantiated, hold no value, are opinions, contain zero sources. The only source you ever provide is factual ignorance, egotistical, condescending.

It's really common sense. How do you computers work and store knowledge?
How do you think humans store knowledge? Much more complex energy and matter.

http://m.phys.org/news/2015-09-retaining-quantum-memories.html

http://m.phys.org/news/2015-05-physicists-optical-fiber.html

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/05/150528142815.htm

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/10/151004112856.htm[/QUOTE]
 
Ben Dhyan

Ben Dhyan

Veteran Member
Runewolf1973 said:
How can the universe be all-knowing if not all of the universe is equally all-knowing? That's kinda like saying this universe is all-perfect, but certain parts of the universe are not perfect. It just doesn't make any sense. It's all or nothing. I would say omniscience is bunk.
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In the same way analogous to the way you can know what you know and your liver can't know... Brahman is all that is, it is non-dual in nature and beyond the concepts of time and space.The human being otoh is dualistic in nature due to its thinking that what it hears, sees, etc., through it senses are itself...sort of like me and all else is not me.... This human conceptual mind duality of time space obscures the non-dual Divine nature present and thus the human ego mind is limited to dealing with the universe using proxy concepts to represent aspects of the universal oneness that it sees as separate things in their own right... Hence the concept of maya...mortals live in maya... Plato's cave dwelling prisoners...
 
Ben Dhyan

Ben Dhyan

Veteran Member
Runewolf1973 said:
I have no problem with the concept of a Unified Field or Zero-Point energy, but how is it not of this physical domain? If such thing exists, then it is part of that physically existing domain which is this universe.
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Remember from my last post...the Universe in reality is one, there is no real separation between the reality represented by the concept of spirit and that of energy...it's a matter of vibration...spirit is of such a high vibration, there is no way for mortals to sense it.....likewise zpe/dark energy is beyond direct detection because its vibration is too high... So what do you think physical means....does spiritual energy or zpe fall in the domain of physical?
 
Runewolf1973

Runewolf1973

Materialism/Animism
ben d said:
Remember from my last post...the Universe in reality is one, there is no real separation between the reality represented by the concept of spirit and that of energy...it's a matter of vibration...spirit is of such a high vibration, there is no way for mortals to sense it.....likewise zpe/dark energy is beyond direct detection because its vibration is too high... So what do you think physical means....does spiritual energy or zpe fall in the domain of physical?
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Any form of vibration no matter how high it is, would amount to a physical interaction of sorts.
 
YmirGF

YmirGF

Bodhisattva in Recovery
Unification said:
It's really common sense. How do you computers work and store knowledge?
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Computers don't store knowledge, they store data and interact through a variety of ways with that data. The computer doesn't know things. It just calculates through a variety of options.
 
Runewolf1973

Runewolf1973

Materialism/Animism
godnotgod said:
My view is indicative of what the Universe is all about, while yours points to nothing other than more and more interaction, telling us nothing. Why bother in the first place with it? Were it not for intelligence, it would literally be a gyrating stupidity.
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In that case you must view all of science and physics as a gyrating stupidity.
 
Unification

Unification

Well-Known Member
YmirGF said:
Computers don't store knowledge, they store data and interact through a variety of ways with that data. The computer doesn't know things. It just calculates through a variety of options.
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You're right. Through and in mechanical power/energy.
Poor use of words I used. Computer knowledge=data.

The human, much more advanced/complex power/energy. They store knowledge.
 
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Unification

Unification

Well-Known Member
ben d said:
Remember from my last post...the Universe in reality is one, there is no real separation between the reality represented by the concept of spirit and that of energy...it's a matter of vibration...spirit is of such a high vibration, there is no way for mortals to sense it.....likewise zpe/dark energy is beyond direct detection because its vibration is too high... So what do you think physical means....does spiritual energy or zpe fall in the domain of physical?
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Nope, requirement for physicality is to have mass. ZPE would have no mass, photon's have no mass, other subtle undetectable energy would have no mass.
Many problems arise in science by trying to keep all energy/light in the domain of physicality and it's laws.

I just think we use semantics of words quite often.
Spiritual energy, ZPE, pure energy, pure consciousness could be all the same things expressed with different words.
 
Ben Dhyan

Ben Dhyan

Veteran Member
Unification said:
Nope, requirement for physicality is to have mass. ZPE would have no mass, photon's have no mass, other subtle undetectable energy would have no mass.
Many problems arise in science by trying to keep all energy/light in the domain of physicality and it's laws.

I just think we use semantics of words quite often.
Spiritual energy, ZPE, pure energy, pure consciousness could be all the same things expressed with different words.
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Agree...throw in 'dark energy' too....the reality is on the other side of the label...a rose by any other name would small as sweet....
 
godnotgod

godnotgod

Thou art That
Unification said:
All knowledge is stored in certain forms of light/energy.

Light and energy are omniscient.
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While I would agree that light and energy, as well as 'matter', carry information, it is what is behind all of these where omniscient intelligence lies. That is what does not change; what does not come and go. It permeates everything through and through because there is nothing to restrict it or limit it in any way.
 
godnotgod

godnotgod

Thou art That
Spiny Norman said:
Enough with the snake-oil, nobody wants to buy it!
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We can dismiss the spiritual view of the Universe, and return to your materialist arguments, which are full of holes already, flaws which none of you can adequately address, especially in light of Quantum Physics.
 
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