Could Nothingness Be Another Dimension In And Of Itself?

[YmirGF]

Suggest what you like. It is the opinion of a man afraid to look at the truth. If you doubt that, note that you have failed to confirm the fact that almost all wealth generated in the last 50 years has found its way to 0.1% of the population. It is not hard to find the relevant data. Unless you are too afraid to do the research. It is so much easier to wallow in a confirmation bias which relieves you of any need to act like a dignified courageous member of your species.

You misunderstand. I'm fully aware of the numbers, I'm actually quite savvy on financial issues. The reality is that this discussion is way off topic. If you want to discuss this, in depth, start a thread and I am confident that you will find many on RF who agree with your thinking even if they don't actually have any concrete ideas about how to rectify the situation short of global revolution.

 

[Papoon]

Nothingness is a social dimension.

,"Stalin is a monster, murdering millions !"

"Conspiracy theory !" said the US Establishment.

"Ho Chi Minh came to the USA looking for support to prevent communist takeover of North Vietnam"

"Conspiracy theory !" said the Establishment.

"The claim that Iraq has WMDs is a neocon hoax to ferment war"

"Conspiracy theory !" said the establishment .

"The US military sells drugs to finance covert ops"

"Conspiracy theory !" said Lt Colonel Oliver North's superiors.

"The wealthiest 85 individuals have equal wealth to the poorest 3.5 billion" said the Oxfam analysis

"Conspiracy theory!" said all the uninformed

"Industrial processes are warming the planet, destroying the oceans, and irresponsibly depleting earth's finite resources at an appalling rate"

"Conspiracy theory !" said the corporates

And so on and so on...

Nothingness. A manufactured social dimension. The new normal.

That is the point I began to make when the 'creative misdirection' *cough* began.

 

[godnotgod]

It is so easy to attack people from behind a monitor. And degenerate. Such is the way of the cowardly web warriors. I will not waste any more time here. You doubtless will.

I know how it looks, Papoon, but sometimes we have to blow off a little steam, and not get too serious. Laughter is the great deflator of egos. OK? Stick around. We have more business to look after.

 

[godnotgod]

Nothingness is a social dimension.

,"Stalin is a monster, murdering millions !"

"Conspiracy theory !" said the US Establishment.

"Ho Chi Minh came to the USA looking for support to prevent communist takeover of North Vietnam"

"Conspiracy theory !" said the Establishment.

"The claim that Iraq has WMDs is a neocon hoax to ferment war"

"Conspiracy theory !" said the establishment .

"The US military sells drugs to finance covert ops"

"Conspiracy theory !" said Lt Colonel Oliver North's superiors.

"The wealthiest 85 individuals have equal wealth to the poorest 3.5 billion" said the Oxfam analysis

"Conspiracy theory!" said all the uninformed

"Industrial processes are warming the planet, destroying the oceans, and irresponsibly depleting earth's finite resources at an appalling rate"

"Conspiracy theory !" said the corporates

And so on and so on...

Nothingness. A manufactured social dimension. The new normal.

A million people watched, but nobody saw a thing.

 

[godnotgod]

The reality is that this discussion is way off topic.

No, the discussion is right on the money. We ignore the reality of the world condition because we dwell in self-view, which nurtures selfish interests and pursuits. A spiritual transformation of the mind unfolds universal view, which nurtures a harmonious and peaceful world.

 

[Papoon]

You misunderstand. I'm fully aware of the numbers, I'm actually quite savvy on financial issues..

And yet you chose to ridicule and denigrate.

 

[Papoon]

.. even if they don't actually have any concrete ideas about how to rectify the situation short of global revolution.

And especially when the relatively intelligent older ones like yourself encourage them in the belief that Rome is not burning. [edit]

 

[Rick O'Shez]

 

[godnotgod]

More crap! This appears to be something floating around Facebook, primarily, and is most likely originally taken from one of those stupid computer generated studies that some people who think they're clever have done to prove that Chopra is out of his mind. Firstly, it's not something Chopra would likely have said, and secondly, there are variations of it as well, such as: "the essence of quantum entangled vibrational particleness is misquotation.", indicating deliberate manipulation. It smacks. Plus, it's a cheap shot by someone who has run out of arguments, if he ever had one to begin with. Ho hum...just another fine example of attacking the pointing finger rather than looking at the moon, but the attack here is of an idiotic and juvenile nature.

Does this post serve the topic in any way?

 

[Rick O'Shez]

Does this post serve the topic in any way?

You might ask that question about many of your own posts, which mostly consist of regurgitating the same old "ultra-spiritual" cliches in a more or less random fashion.

I still find you and Chopra entirely unconvincing. We don't need your steenkin snake-oil.

 

[YmirGF]

No, the discussion is right on the money. We ignore the reality of the world condition because we dwell in self-view, which nurtures selfish interests and pursuits. A spiritual transformation of the mind unfolds universal view, which nurtures a harmonious and peaceful world.

Ah, the diversity killer. Heaven forbid we be more accepting of diversity. Heaven forbid we try to get along with those whom we stridently disagree. Your insistence on a Borg-like universal view is chilling, to say the least.

 

[godnotgod]

Ah, the diversity killer. Heaven forbid we be more accepting of diversity. Heaven forbid we try to get along with those whom we stridently disagree. Your insistence on a Borg-like universal view is chilling, to say the least.

The Universe is diversity itself, out of Oneness. There is only One Reality, but many forms of that Reality. What underlies all forms is the same substance, just as water is the underlying universal substance for all wave-forms upon the ocean's surface. So if you get in touch with the universal stuff that all humans are made of (ie; consciousness) we find only one Reality, out of which there are many views. You are focusing on the many views, while I am pointing to the underlying Oneness. But to focus on the foreground of the many views without taking into account the background of the underlying Oneness is to see things out of context.

I did not say that the One Reality is a doctrine to which you must conform and display obedience to, although it is a fact that if you don't live according to nature, she can be merciless. All I am actually doing is pointing to the background of life, as most of us are focused only on the foreground, living our lives out of context to the One Reality, as the current condition of the world is testament to. So you have no 'borgey monster' that I am nurturing who will come for you in the night. You're just afraid of the unknown, that's all.

Out of the formless ocean come all ocean wave-forms. Out of the formless background of The Absolute; The One Reality, comes the foreground of the entire Universe in all its varietal forms. In fact:

"The Universe is The Absolute, as seen through the glass of Time, Space, and Causation"

It is obvious that you are attempting to stir up a hysteria amongst the forum viewers about what I am saying, but all you succeed in doing is to expose your own shallow ulterior motives, driven by your fears and the fact that you have run out of any real arguments against what I have said.

I think Papoon cut to the chase and nailed it on the head when he pointed out your motives.

 

[godnotgod]

You might ask that question about many of your own posts, which mostly consist of regurgitating the same old "ultra-spiritual" cliches in a more or less random fashion.

I still find you and Chopra entirely unconvincing. We don't need your steenkin snake-oil.

No, what you need is to stop rabidly attacking the pointing finger and finally take a look at the MOON.

LOOK, SPINY! THE MOON!

Then again, maybe you need an injection to cure the rabidity. In the meantime, just go to your room and remain there until further instructed to leave.

If you stop listening to computer generated garbage perhaps you will find Chopra convincing after all.

 

[godnotgod]

Your insistence on a Borg-like universal view is chilling, to say the least.

Have you seen my little darlings, LOL?:

 

[godnotgod]

Ah, the diversity killer. Heaven forbid we be more accepting of diversity. Heaven forbid we try to get along with those whom we stridently disagree. Your insistence on a Borg-like universal view is chilling, to say the least.

You know what's ironic? The fact that you find my innocent postings about Universal Consciousness a threat to the point of hysteria, while completely dismissing Papoon's very real picture of the current horrific state of world affairs. Just goes to show how out of touch with reality you really are. No surprise from someone who still lives in the 1970's in his head. Not Spiffy.

What is really chilling is the materialist's view of humans as nothing more than a chemical factory dwelling inside a dead bag of flesh, and the universe as nothing more than things bumping around like so many billiard balls. Try to understand, that seeing things in this fashion is to see humans as objects; objects to be manipulated and controlled. THAT is the real chilling view of things. After all, as RW says repeatedly, there is no life or consciousness; only dead material stuff that bump into one another.

Pure Crap!

 

[Rick O'Shez]

If you stop listening to computer generated garbage perhaps you will find Chopra convincing after all.

I've been reading your computer generated garbage for some time and it's even less convincing than Chopra's smoke and mirrors.

LOOK, A RABBIT HOLE!!

 

[YmirGF]

The Universe is diversity itself, out of Oneness. There is only One Reality, but many forms of that Reality. What underlies all forms is the same substance, just as water is the underlying universal substance for all wave-forms upon the ocean's surface. So if you get in touch with the universal stuff that all humans are made of (ie; consciousness) we find only one Reality, out of which there are many views. You are focusing on the many views, while I am pointing to the underlying Oneness. But to focus on the foreground of the many views without taking into account the background of the underlying Oneness is to see things out of context.

What I find endlessly amusing is that I used to think this way. It accurately reflects my experiences at a given point in my lifetime. I dare to believe that I have since gone beyond such a vision of reality into something even richer. Please, I'm willing to say that this thinking is not flat out wrong, but rather, it isn't the whole story and that there is a lot more going on than the above supposes. I'm even willing to admit I could be quite wrong. What I will say is that consciousness and personality are far more that what you are inclined to give credit to. My view of personality includes and eclipses your notions of Oneness. It's a relative view based on circumstantial understanding.

I did not say that the One Reality is a doctrine to which you must conform and display obedience to, although it is a fact that if you don't live according to nature, she can be merciless. All I am actually doing is pointing to the background of life, as most of us are focused only on the foreground, living our lives out of context to the One Reality, as the current condition of the world is testament to. So you have no 'borgey monster' that I am nurturing who will come for you in the night. You're just afraid of the unknown, that's all.

Translating this from godnotgod-speak to ymir-gf-speak, I never lose track of my origins or source, as it were. It's something that is central to my view of self. My current self, the mortal self in time, is directly supported by my larger identity. I do agree that many of the problems human animals encounter is the result of ignoring or even being unaware of this inner reality. What I am trying to convey is the veritable universe of the self and the self, the larger identity, IS a universe unto itself, there is something beyond that. I know it sounds ridiculous but there is more than the Oneness... as peculiar as that might sound. Sadly, I'm at a loss as to how to describe it other than "the unknown reality"... I suppose what I am bridling at is the idea of the "One Reality". From my own experience, I've learned that reality is far more fickle than most human animals presume. Without question, my view is not as neat and tidy. I'll grant you that, but I don't think reality is neat and tidy and actively resists attempts to make it so.

For the record, I've embraced uncertainty and eagerly search out into the unknown. It's one of the things I'm rather good at. I abandoned my fears a very long time ago. I guess I'm just concerned that your vision of reality short changes people into a false sense of security provided by comforting pat answers.

It is obvious that you are attempting to stir up a hysteria amongst the forum viewers about what I am saying, but all you succeed in doing is to expose your own shallow ulterior motives, driven by your fears and the fact that you have run out of any real arguments against what I have said.

I think you've confused flogging the proverbial dead horse with "run out of any real arguments". Your positions are of interest to me, but don't let it go to your head, LOL. I don't believe you have made a great argument to begin with, so arguing your points is a bit more than a time waster for me.

I think Papoon cut to the chase and nailed it on the head when he pointed out your motives.

I think he has proven my point, beyond doubt, that many folks on the "pro" side of this argument have extremely thin skins.

 

[godnotgod]

I've been reading your computer generated garbage for some time and it's even less convincing than Chopra's smoke and mirrors.

LOOK, A RABBIT HOLE!!

LOOK! A HOLE IN THE HEAD!

 

[godnotgod]

What I find endlessly amusing is that I used to think this way. It accurately reflects my experiences at a given point in my lifetime. I dare to believe that I have since gone beyond such a vision of reality into something even richer. Please, I'm willing to say that this thinking is not flat out wrong, but rather, it isn't the whole story and that there is a lot more going on than the above supposes. I'm even willing to admit I could be quite wrong. What I will say is that consciousness and personality are far more that what you are inclined to give credit to. My view of personality includes and eclipses your notions of Oneness. It's a relative view based on circumstantial understanding.

You still misunderstand: I have no problem with your experiences in the foreground. I am only saying that they are out of context to the background when the background is ignored, and which background envelops them totally.

The highlighted text in red reflects an impossibility: Oneness, which is Everything, contains everything that you can conceive yourself to be. Your 'personality' is temporal and finite; Oneness if infinite and eternal. Now go figure.

Translating this from godnotgod-speak to ymir-gf-speak, I never lose track of my origins or source, as it were. It's something that is central to my view of self. My current self, the mortal self in time, is directly supported by my larger identity. I do agree that many of the problems human animals encounter is the result of ignoring or even being unaware of this inner reality. What I am trying to convey is the veritable universe of the self and the self, the larger identity, IS a universe unto itself, there is something beyond that. I know it sounds ridiculous but there is more than the Oneness... as peculiar as that might sound. Sadly, I'm at a loss as to how to describe it other than "the unknown reality"... I suppose what I am bridling at is the idea of the "One Reality". From my own experience, I've learned that reality is far more fickle than most human animals presume. Without question, my view is not as neat and tidy. I'll grant you that, but I don't think reality is neat and tidy and actively resists attempts to make it so.

Again, you describe an impossible condition: Oneness, The Absolute, is Everything to which there is nothing that can be compared. There is no 'other'. That is why it can be called 'The Absolute'.

For the record, I've embraced uncertainty and eagerly search out into the unknown. It's one of the things I'm rather good at. I abandoned my fears a very long time ago. I guess I'm just concerned that your vision of reality short changes people into a false sense of security provided by comforting pat answers.

C'mon now! Use your head! If my answers were 'pat' everyone here would understand them, but you all throw down red flags because what I am pointing cannot be grasped by the rational mind, which IS used to pat answers. What I point to, if you were to really take a look, would upturn all that you hold dear which provides you 'security'. In fact, in the world of spirituality, we call this new vision 'The Wisdom of Insecurity'. You're just making sh*t up again, mouse. Cut it out! You just show that you haven't paid attention to what I'm really saying. The concepts of Emptiness and Nothingness frighten most people, or they dismiss them as sheer nonsense simply because they demand pat answers, ones the rational mind can deal with and make predictable and safe for consumption.

I think you've confused flogging the proverbial dead horse with "run out of any real arguments". Your positions are of interest to me, but don't let it go to your head, LOL. I don't believe you have made a great argument to begin with, so arguing your points is a bit more than a time waster for me.

I think he has proven my point, beyond doubt, that many folks on the "pro" side of this argument have extremely thin skins.

Since Papoon has posted here, I now have an even better picture of what and who you are: an aristocratic elitist, pretending to be amused by the arguments of others, in the sense that they are nothing more than toys for you to play with. You don't fool me any longer, mouse, so get over yourself.

No cigar!

 

[Rick O'Shez]

LOOK! A HOLE IN THE HEAD!

LOOK! A SNAKE-OIL SELLER!