Could Nothingness Be Another Dimension In And Of Itself?

[godnotgod]

As the first verse of the Heart Sutra explains:
"The Bodhisattva of Compassion, When he meditated deeply, Saw the emptiness of all five skandhas And sundered the bonds that caused him suffering."

Also from the same Heart Sutra we have:

The Bodhisattvas rely on the Perfection of Wisdom,
and so with no delusions,
they feel no fear,
and have Nirvana here and now.

All the Buddhas,
past, present, and future,
rely on the Perfection of Wisdom,
and live in full enlightenment.

The Perfection of Wisdom is the greatest mantra.
It is the clearest mantra,
the highest mantra,
the mantra that removes all suffering.

Perfection of Wisdom is a translation of Prajnaparamita. The full title of this sutra is The Heart of Prajnaparamita Sutra.

http://webspace.ship.edu/cgboer/heartsutra.html

Prajñāpāramitā means "the Perfection of (Transcendent) Wisdom" in Mahāyāna Buddhism. The word Prajñāpāramitā combines the Sanskrit words prajñā "wisdom" with pāramitā "perfection".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prajnaparamita

The Heart Sutra is the Prajñāpāramitā Hṛdaya sutra. Therefore The Heart Sutra is The Perfection of Wisdom.

The reason this is Perfect View is because it is transcendent of conditioned mentality. One who has transcended can then see into the nature of the skhandas. Transcendence is Enlightenment, or Sunyata, or The Perfection of Wisdom, or Perfect View.

 

[Rick O'Shez]

Also from the same Heart Sutra we have:

The Bodhisattvas rely on the Perfection of Wisdom,
and so with no delusions,
they feel no fear,
and have Nirvana here and now.

Perfection of Wisdom is a translation of Prajnaparamita. The full title of this sutra is The Heart of Prajnaparamita Sutra.

Yep, so it's about wisdom, specifically insight into sunyata. It's not about stoned mystics and higher states of consciousness. And it's nothing to do with your "cosmic consciousness".

 

[godnotgod]

So it's a realisation of sunyata - emptiness or conditionality. Therefore according to Buddhist teachings it's about developing insight, not the new-age rhetoric of stoned mystics and higher states of consciousness. Again with the misrepresentation.

Realization of Sunyata is Higher Consciousness! The Buddha achieved Supreme Enlightenment, which is the highest state of consciousness a human can attain. This has zilch to do with getting stoned or new age anything. You're just making crap up again, while at the same time refusing to recognize that the Buddha realized Higher Consciousness. That is why he can be called 'Buddha', the Awakened One. Spiritual Awakening is to enter into Higher Consciousness.

'Developing insight' is the same as Awakening and Enlightenment. Without it, the Buddha could not have had insight into the Five Skandhas and Sunyata.

 

[Rick O'Shez]

Realization of Sunyata is Higher Consciousness!

There is no mention of your "Higher Consciousness" in the Heart Sutra. It's new-age rhetoric and not Buddhist teaching. Again with the misrepresentation.

 

[godnotgod]

Yep, so it's about wisdom, specifically insight into sunyata. It's not about stoned mystics and higher states of consciousness.

You continue to avoid the word 'perfection' don't you? it's loud and clear: The Heart Sutra IS The Perfection of Wisdom. Perfect View = Higher Consciousness. See how simple it is when you admit you are wrong Spiny?

 

[godnotgod]

There is no mention of your "Higher Consciousness" in the Heart Sutra. It's new-age rhetoric and not Buddhist teaching. Again with the misrepresentation.

Perfection of Wisdom is Higher Consciousness. Same thing. What's your problem?

HC is not new age anything! You're making things up, Spiny!

 

[Rick O'Shez]

The Heart Sutra IS The Perfection of Wisdom. Perfect View = Higher Consciousness.

There is no mention of your "Higher Consciousness" in the Heart Sutra, so you are just making stuff up again.

 

[Rick O'Shez]

Perfection of Wisdom is Higher Consciousness.

Only in your mind. It's not what the Heart Sutra describes.

Higher Consciousness is a new-age idea loosely based on Hindu teaching.

 

[godnotgod]

from The Heart Sutra:

"Because there is no obstruction he has no fear, and he passes far beyond all confused imagination and reaches Ultimate Nirvana.

All Buddhas in the past, present and future have attained Supreme Enlightenment by relying on the Prajnaparamita."

http://www.usashaolintemple.org/chanbuddhism-heartsutratranslation/

Ultimate Nirvana and Supreme Enlightenment are NOT experiences of conditioned mind, or self-view; they are experiences in Higher Consciousness. Otherwise they could not be called Ultimate and Supreme.

 

[godnotgod]

There is no mention of your "Higher Consciousness" in the Heart Sutra, so you are just making stuff up again.

You're just dense, that's all. You can't read, and you have zero intuitive insight, something you said should be developed.

 

[godnotgod]

Only in your mind. It's not what the Heart Sutra describes.

Higher Consciousness is a new-age idea loosely based on Hindu teaching.

No, HC is just what it says it is. A state of conscious awareness above and beyond (ie;' higher') than that of the conditioned mind.

The Heart Sutra talks about Supreme Enlightenment. What on earth do you think that is, anyway?

 

[godnotgod]

The Buddha on Meditation and Higher States of Consciousness

http://www.bps.lk/olib/wh/wh189.pdf

 

[godnotgod]

Higher Consciousness is a new-age idea loosely based on Hindu teaching.

heh...heh...the Buddha was a Hindu who realized Higher Consciousness. He called it his 'Supreme Enlightenment'.

Bodhidharma was also a Hindu monk who came to realization. He is the First Zen Patriarch. Zen is the mystical branch of Buddhism.

 

[Rick O'Shez]

http://www.bps.lk/olib/wh/wh189.pdf

The point is that in the Heart Sutra consciousness doesn't get a free pass, it's subject to emptiness just like the other aggregates. All states of consciousness are subject to emptiness, so your attempted reification of consciousness simply isn't compatible with sunyata.
http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka/sn/sn25/sn25.003.than.html

I'm still waiting for you to explain the practical difference between fleeting present and eternal present, whatever they are supposed to be. Maybe you need to watch some of your Alan Watts talks again.

 

[Rick O'Shez]

The Heart Sutra talks about Supreme Enlightenment.

No it doesn't, it talks about the perfection of wisdom. Wisdom is a quality of mind, not your "Higher Consciousness".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prajñā_(Buddhism)

You seem to be fixated on concepts like "Higher Consciousness" and "Cosmic Consciousness", all of which attempt to reify consciousness in a way that is simply incompatible with sunyata.
Consciousness doesn't get a free pass when it comes to sunyata.

 

[Rick O'Shez]

You can't read, and you have zero intuitive insight, something you said should be developed.

Sure. Meanwhile you can't express yourself in plain English and you just make stuff up to fit your personal agenda.

 

[Unification]

Though like the rest of us you don't like being disagreed with and having your assumptions challenged.

Turning peace and impartiality into that. Always something negative to say and a finger to point. . just couldn't contain and control your mind.

I actually love being disagreed with and challenged. Makes one stronger and allows appreciation for harmless diversity. I don't care about being right or protecting any stronghold habitat... if it will ease your troubled mind, I'll take the blame.

If one gets pleasure out of debating or reasoning, surely they may realize that they couldn't get any pleasure if others were identical to them... how boring would that be.

 

[Unification]

Sure. Meanwhile you can't express yourself in plain English and you just make stuff up to fit your personal agenda.

When you climb a mountain, do you get higher?

You've defined consciousness as awareness.

Is there such thing as higher awareness? If the word "higher" tickles your nerves.... would "stronger awareness" appease your needs?

When you become aware of something you once did not understand... is your awareness increasing?

When one realizes that emptiness and form are ONE and the same, is their awareness increasing?

 

[Unification]

Yep, so it's about wisdom, specifically insight into sunyata. It's not about stoned mystics and higher states of consciousness. And it's nothing to do with your "cosmic consciousness".

When one acquires wisdom and insight, is their awareness increasing/becoming stronger/becoming higher?

In the cosmos, is everything both empty and of form? Within you, is everything both empty and of form?
Are you a part of the cosmos?

How does one realize and know sunyata without their awareness increasing? Is it a decrease and lower state of awareness? Is sunyata part of the cosmos?

 

[Unification]

Yep, so it's about wisdom, specifically insight into sunyata. It's not about stoned mystics and higher states of consciousness. And it's nothing to do with your "cosmic consciousness".

When one knows and experiences sunyata.... rather than having knowledge of what it means... what type of wisdom and insights are realized?