Could some explain chapter Numbers 31

[Ingledsva]

Little boys grow up to become terrorists. We have seen plenty of this in modern times.

Bit of a problem there! READ THE STORY!

They were not terrorists, nor at war with them.

In fact the Hebrew were getting down with the natives.

Having sex, and starting to follow their Gods.

So the Hebrew commit genocide on their own people, then go after them ---

Num 25:18 For they vex you with their wiles, wherewith they have beguiled you in the matter of Peor, and in the matter of Cozbi, the daughter of a prince of Midian, their sister, which was slain in the day of the plague for Peor's sake.

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[FearGod]

Qur’an 33:50—O Prophet! surely We have made lawful to you your wives whom you have given their dowries, and those whom your right hand possesses out of those whom Allah has given to you as prisoners of war ...

Qur’an 23:1-6—The Believers must (eventually) win through—those who humble themselves in their prayers; who avoid vain talk; who are active in deeds of charity; who abstain from sex, except with those joined to them in the marriage bond, or (the captives) whom their right hands possess—for (in their case) they are free from blame.

Qur’an 70:22-30—Not so those devoted to Prayer—those who remain steadfast to their prayer; and those in whose wealth is a recognized right for the (needy) who asks and him who is prevented (for some reason from asking); and those who hold to the truth of the Day Of Judgement; and those who fear the displeasure of their Lord—for their Lord’s displeasure is the opposite of Peace and Tranquility—and those who guard their chastity, except with their wives and the (captives) whom their right hands possess—for (then) they are not to be blamed.

Sahih Muslim 3371—We went out with Allah’s Messenger on the expedition to the Bi’l-Mustaliq and took captive some excellent Arab women; and we desired them, for we were suffering from the absence of our wives, (but at the same time) we also desired ransom for them. So we decided to have sexual intercourse with them but by observing azl (withdrawing the male sexual organ before emission of semen to avoid conception). But we said: We are doing an act whereas Allah’s Messenger is amongst us; why not ask him? So we asked Allah’s Messenger, and he said: It does not matter if you do not do it, for every soul that is to be born up to the Day of Resurrection will be born.

Qur’an 4:24—Also (prohibited are) women already married, except those whom your right hands possess ...
Here's the historical background for this verse:

Sunan Abu Dawud 2150—The Apostle of Allah sent a military expedition to Awtas on the occasion of the battle of Hunain. They met their enemy and fought with them. They defeated them and took them captives. Some of the Companions of the Apostle of Allah were reluctant to have intercourse with the female captives in the presence of their husbands who were unbelievers. So Allah, the Exalted, sent down the Qur’anic verse: “And all married women (are forbidden) unto you save those (captives) whom your right hands possess.” That is to say, they are lawful for them when they complete their waiting period.

"... I told the Muftis of Mecca that I had a question, since they were men who specialized in what was halal, and what was good, and who loved women. I said, “What is the law of sex slaves?”

The mufti said, “With the law of sex slaves, there must be a Muslim nation at war with a nation which is not of the religion of the Kitab [Jews, Christians, Muslims], not of the religion of Islam. And there must be prisoners of war.”
“Is this forbidden by Islam?” I asked.

“Absolutely not. Sex slaves are not forbidden by Islam. On the contrary, sex slaves are under a different law than the free woman. The free woman must be completely covered except for her face and hands. But the sex slave can be naked from the waist up. She differs a lot from the free woman. While the free woman requires a marriage contract, the sex slave does not—she only needs to be purchased by her husband, and that’s it. Therefore the sex slave is different than the free woman.” Kuwaiti Activist: "I Hope that Kuwait Will Enact a Law for...Sex Slaves"

Bukhari (62:137) - An account of women taken as slaves in battle by Muhammad's men after their husbands and fathers were killed. The woman were raped with Muhammad's approval.

Bukhari (34:432) - Another account of females taken captive and raped with Muhammad's approval. In this case it is evident that the Muslims intend on selling the women after raping them because they are concerned about devaluing their price by impregnating them. Muhammad is asked about coitus interruptus.

Ibn Ishaq (693) - "Then the apostle sent Sa-d b. Zayd al-Ansari, brother of Abdu'l-Ashal with some of the captive women of Banu Qurayza to Najd and he sold them for horses and weapons." Muhammad trades away women captured from the Banu Qurayza tribe to non-Muslim slave traders for property. (Their men had been executed after surrendering without a fight).

https://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&aq=&oq=what+Quran+verses+are+Isis+using+to+rape+and+sell+women?&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1T4GGLL_enUS408US408&q=what+Quran+verses+are+Isis+using+to+rape+and+sell+women?&gs_l=hp....0.0.0.24280...........0.nMHEKXkZ2bU
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Where it says rape the slaves or force them into sex?

 

[Ingledsva]

Where it says rape the slaves or force them into sex?

Are you kidding???????

You actually think captured little slave girls, and captured MARRIED women want to have sex with their enemies that have captured them?

Give me a break!!!!

They capture them, kidnap them, have sex with them - including already married women, - and can sell them!

You cannot attempt to pretend to not understand that this is RAPE, and the selling of women!

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[Alan McDougall]

Within the tribes lineage is by the male - however, - I thought your MOTHER had to be Jewish for you to be born a Jew.

Could one of our Jewish members clarify this? Thanks.

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Your posts are excellent and you do not duck and dive around this subject of appalling genocide like the others are doing, Thank you!"

What you say is correct Jewish lineage states than the blood line is by female. My late father was Scottish while my mother was Jewish, thus I m Jewish

At least through the mother the offspring knows they are at least 50% Jewish. If on the other hand the mother is not a Jew the father might claim to be Jewish but not have a drop of it in his genes.


Numbers 31King James Version (KJV)

31 And the Lord spake unto Moses, saying,

7 And they warred against the Midianites, as the Lord commanded Moses; and they slew all the males.(Genocide)

8 And they slew the kings of Midian, beside the rest of them that were slain; namely, Evi, and Rekem, and Zur, and Hur, and Reba, five kings of Midian: Balaam also the son of Beor they slew with the sword. (Genocide)

9 And the children of Israel took all the women of Midian captives, and their little ones, and took the spoil of all their cattle, and all their flocks, and all their goods. (Plunder Just like the Nazis and sex slavery))

10 And they burnt all their cities wherein they dwelt, and all their goodly castles, with fire. (Plunder Just like the Nazis)

11 And they took all the spoil, and all the prey, both of men and of beasts. (Plunder Just like the Nazis)

12 And they brought the captives, and the prey, and the spoil, unto Moses, and Eleazar the priest, and unto the congregation of the children of Israel, unto the camp at the plains of Moab, which are by Jordan near Jericho.

13 And Moses, and Eleazar the priest, and all the princes of the congregation, went forth to meet them without the camp.

14 And Moses was wroth with the officers of the host, with the captains over thousands, and captains over hundreds, which came from the battle.

15 And Moses said unto them, Have ye saved all the women alive? (Really Moses wanted them all murdered

16 Behold, these caused the children of Israel, through the counsel of Balaam, to commit trespass against the Lord in the matter of Peor, and there was a plague among the congregation of the Lord.

17 Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. (Murder the little boys)

18 But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves. (Make them into sex slaves very nice?)

23 Every thing that may abide the fire, ye shall make it go through the fire, and it shall be clean: nevertheless it shall be purified with the water of separation: and all that abideth not the fire ye shall make go through the water.

24 And ye shall wash your clothes on the seventh day, and ye shall be clean, and afterward ye shall come into the camp.

25 And the Lord spake unto Moses, saying,

26 Take the sum of the prey that was taken, both of man and of beast, thou, and Eleazar the priest, and the chief fathers of the congregation: (Plunder Just like the Nazis)

27 And divide the prey into two parts; between them that took the war upon them, who went out to battle, and between all the congregation: (Plunder)

28 And levy a tribute unto the Lord of the men of war which went out to battle: one soul of five hundred, both of the persons, and of the beeves, and of the asses, and of the sheep: (Plunder Just like the Nazis)

29 Take it of their half, and give it unto Eleazar the priest, for an heave offering of the Lord. (Plunder Just like the Nazis)

30 And of the children of Israel's half, thou shalt take one portion of fifty, of the persons, of the beeves, of the asses, and of the flocks, of all manner of beasts, and give them unto the Levites, which keep the charge of the tabernacle of the Lord. (Plunder Just like the Nazis)

31 And Moses and Eleazar the priest did as the Lord commanded Moses.

32 And the booty, being the rest of the prey which the men of war had caught, was six hundred thousand and seventy thousand and five thousand sheep, (Plunder Just like the Nazis)

33 And threescore and twelve thousand beeves, (Plunder Just like the Nazis)

34 And threescore and one thousand asses, (Plunder Just like the Nazis)

35 And thirty and two thousand persons in all, of women that had not known man by lying with him. (Sex Slaves)

36 And the half, which was the portion of them that went out to war, was in number three hundred thousand and seven and thirty thousand and five hundred sheep: (Plunder Just like the Nazis)

37 And the Lord'S tribute of the sheep was six hundred and threescore and fifteen. (Plunder Just like the Nazis)

38 And the beeves were thirty and six thousand; of which the Lord'S tribute was threescore and twelve. (Plunder Just like the Nazis)

39 And the asses were thirty thousand and five hundred; of which theLord'S tribute was threescore and one. (Plunder Just like the Nazis)

40 And the persons were sixteen thousand; of which the Lord'S tribute was thirty and two persons. (Plunder Just like the Nazis)

41 And Moses gave the tribute, which was the Lord'S heave offering, unto Eleazar the priest, as the Lord commanded Moses.

42 And of the children of Israel's half, which Moses divided from the men that warred, (Plunder Just like the Nazis)

43 (Now the half that pertained unto the congregation was three hundred thousand and thirty thousand and seven thousand and five hundred sheep, (Plunder Just like the Nazis)

44 And thirty and six thousand beeves, (Plunder Just like the Nazis)

45 And thirty thousand asses and five hundred, (Plunder Just like the Nazis)

46 And sixteen thousand persons (Slaves now?)

47 Even of the children of Israel's half, Moses took one portion of fifty, both of man and of beast, and gave them unto the Levites, which kept the charge of the tabernacle of the Lord; as the Lord commanded Moses. (Plunder Just like the Nazis)

48 And the officers which were over thousands of the host, the captains of thousands, and captains of hundreds, came near unto Moses:

49 And they said unto Moses, Thy servants have taken the sum of the men of war which are under our charge, and there lacketh not one man of us. (Plunder Just like the Nazis)

50 We have therefore brought an oblation for the Lord, what every man hath gotten, of jewels of gold, chains, and bracelets, rings, earrings, and tablets, to make an atonement for our souls before the Lord. (Plunder Just like the Nazis)

51 And Moses and Eleazar the priest took the gold of them, even all wrought jewels. (Plunder Just like the Nazis)

52 And all the gold of the offering that they offered up to the Lord, of the captains of thousands, and of the captains of hundreds, was sixteen thousand seven hundred and fifty shekels. (Plunder Just like the Nazis)

53 (For the men of war had taken spoil, every man for himself.) (Plunder Just like the Nazis)

54 And Moses and Eleazar the priest took the gold of the captains of thousands and of hundreds, and brought it into the tabernacle of the congregation, for a memorial for the children of Israel before the Lord. (Plunder Just like the Nazis)

 

[Ingledsva]

That's certainly one possible speculative explanation.

Moses had a Midian wife however, who was not Hebrew either, so I doubt he would have come up with this on his own though.

Maybe it got altered through transcription throughout the ages?

Hard to say.

Anything that is 3500 years old is going to be hard to fathom in places.

I'm not exactly sure what you mean? What does one have to do with the other?

They were not to take foreign wives, - which is part of the reason why Miriam and Aaron where upset with Moses.

Captured virgins were for sex slaves, and selling as sex slaves.

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[FearGod]

Are you kidding???????

You actually think captured little slave girls, and captured MARRIED women want to have sex with their enemies that have captured them?

Give me a break!!!!

They capture them, kidnap them, have sex with them - including already married women, - and can sell them!

You cannot attempt to pretend to not understand that this is RAPE, and the selling of women!

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Having sex doesn't mean rape, also i don't see where it says sell them after raping them.

 

[Ingledsva]

Having sex doesn't mean rape, also i don't see where it says sell them after raping them.

Did you notice the word purchase up there? Or that Muhammad sold captured women for weapons?

Qur’an 33:50—O Prophet! surely We have made lawful to you your wives whom you have given their dowries, and those whom your right hand possesses out of those whom Allah has given to you as prisoners of war ...

In other words it is lawful to have sex with your prisoner of war slaves, - which would be rape.

Qur’an 4:24—Also (prohibited are) women already married, except those whom your right hands possess ...

Here's the historical background for this verse:

Sunan Abu Dawud 2150—The Apostle of Allah sent a military expedition to Awtas on the occasion of the battle of Hunain. They met their enemy and fought with them. They defeated them and took them captives. Some of the Companions of the Apostle of Allah were reluctant to have intercourse with the female captives in the presence of their husbands who were unbelievers. So Allah, the Exalted, sent down the Qur’anic verse: “And all married women (are forbidden) unto you save those (captives) whom your right hands possess.” That is to say, they are lawful for them when they complete their waiting period.

So there we have a clarification showing they wanted to RAPE the married women - but were reluctant to do it in front of the husbands.

Sahih Muslim Book 019, (Kitab Al-Jihad wa'l-Siyar) Number 4345:

It has been narrated on the authority of Salama (b. al-Akwa') who said: We fought against the Fazara and Abu Bakr was the commander over us. He had been appointed by the Messenger oi Allah (may peace be upon him). When we were onlv at an hour's distance from the water of the enemy, Abu Bakr ordered us to attack. We made a halt during the last part of the night tor rest and then we attacked from all sides and reached their watering-place where a battle was fought. Some of the enemies were killed and some were taken prisoners. I saw a group of persons that consisted of women and children. I was afraid lest they should reach the mountain before me, so I shot an arrow between them and the mountain. When they saw the arrow, they stopped. So I brought them, driving them along. Among them was a woman from Banu Fazara. She was wearing a leather coat. With her was her daughter who was one of the prettiest girls in Arabia. I drove them along until I brought them to Abu Bakr who bestowed that girl upon me as a prize. So we arrived in Medina. I had not yet disrobed her when the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) met me in the street and said: Give me that girl, O Salama. I said: Messenger of Allah, she has fascinated me. I had not yet disrobed her. When on the next day. the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) ag;tin met me in the street, he said: O Salama, give me that girl, may God bless your father. I said: She is for you. Messenger of Allah! By Allah. I have not yet disrobed her. The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) sent her to the people of Mecca, and surrendered her as ransom for a number of Muslims who had been kept as prisoners at Mecca.

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[FearGod]

Did you notice the word purchase up there? Or that Muhammad sold captured women for weapons?

Qur’an 33:50—O Prophet! surely We have made lawful to you your wives whom you have given their dowries, and those whom your right hand possesses out of those whom Allah has given to you as prisoners of war ...

In other words it is lawful to have sex with your prisoner of war slaves, - which would be rape.

Qur’an 4:24—Also (prohibited are) women already married, except those whom your right hands possess ...

Here's the historical background for this verse:

Sunan Abu Dawud 2150—The Apostle of Allah sent a military expedition to Awtas on the occasion of the battle of Hunain. They met their enemy and fought with them. They defeated them and took them captives. Some of the Companions of the Apostle of Allah were reluctant to have intercourse with the female captives in the presence of their husbands who were unbelievers. So Allah, the Exalted, sent down the Qur’anic verse: “And all married women (are forbidden) unto you save those (captives) whom your right hands possess.” That is to say, they are lawful for them when they complete their waiting period.

So there we have a clarification showing they wanted to RAPE the married women - but were reluctant to do it in front of the husbands.

Sahih Muslim Book 019, (Kitab Al-Jihad wa'l-Siyar) Number 4345:

It has been narrated on the authority of Salama (b. al-Akwa') who said: We fought against the Fazara and Abu Bakr was the commander over us. He had been appointed by the Messenger oi Allah (may peace be upon him). When we were onlv at an hour's distance from the water of the enemy, Abu Bakr ordered us to attack. We made a halt during the last part of the night tor rest and then we attacked from all sides and reached their watering-place where a battle was fought. Some of the enemies were killed and some were taken prisoners. I saw a group of persons that consisted of women and children. I was afraid lest they should reach the mountain before me, so I shot an arrow between them and the mountain. When they saw the arrow, they stopped. So I brought them, driving them along. Among them was a woman from Banu Fazara. She was wearing a leather coat. With her was her daughter who was one of the prettiest girls in Arabia. I drove them along until I brought them to Abu Bakr who bestowed that girl upon me as a prize. So we arrived in Medina. I had not yet disrobed her when the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) met me in the street and said: Give me that girl, O Salama. I said: Messenger of Allah, she has fascinated me. I had not yet disrobed her. When on the next day. the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) ag;tin met me in the street, he said: O Salama, give me that girl, may God bless your father. I said: She is for you. Messenger of Allah! By Allah. I have not yet disrobed her. The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) sent her to the people of Mecca, and surrendered her as ransom for a number of Muslims who had been kept as prisoners at Mecca.

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Regardless of what you said about sex with the captives of the war which is actually not true, for example the saying
of purchasing a slave is the story of a woman activist that one scholar told her that it's possible to purchase slaves and that
actually against the quran which request freeing them, regardless of all this, we're kind of animals, only improved versions
if i may say, so God created the chicken and humans kill them as food, now the chicken will see it as a crime, supposing
that the chicken can think, so it see humans as criminals and the one who eats them as a murderer.

Put yourself in the chicken's shoes.

 

[Ingledsva]

Regardless of what you said about sex with the captives of the war which is actually not true, for example the saying
of purchasing a slave is the story of a woman activist that one scholar told her that it's possible to purchase slaves and that
actually against the quran which request freeing them, regardless of all this, we're kind of animals, only improved versions
if i may say, so God created the chicken and humans kill them as food, now the chicken will see it as a crime, supposing
that the chicken can think, so it see humans as criminals and the one who eats them as a murderer.

Put yourself in the chicken's shoes.

How exactly is it not true, - when I quoted verses from the Qur'an saying they could take slaves and have sex with them, - which is rape?

It says they had sex with captured MARRIED women!

And what do you folks think concubines are? SEX SLAVES!

I get a kick out of people of the Bible and Qur'an saying sex slavery and rape didn't take place, - when the Bible and Qur'an say they did.

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[FearGod]

How exactly is it not true, - when I quoted verses from the Qur'an saying they could take slaves and have sex with them, - which is rape?

It says they had sex with captured MARRIED women!

And what do you folks think concubines are? SEX SLAVES!

I get a kick out of people of the Bible and Qur'an saying sex slavery and rape didn't take place, - when the Bible and Qur'an say they did.

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It isn't rape, read the verse carefully and read the underlined words in bold.

33:50
O Prophet, indeed We have made lawful to you your wives to whom you have given their due compensation and those your right hand possesses from what Allah has returned to you [of captives] and the daughters of your paternal uncles and the daughters of your paternal aunts and the daughters of your maternal uncles and the daughters of your maternal aunts who emigrated with you and a believing woman if she gives herself to the Prophet [and] if the Prophet wishes to marry her, [this is] only for you, excluding the [other] believers. We certainly know what We have made obligatory upon them concerning their wives and those their right hands possess, [but this is for you] in order that there will be upon you no discomfort. And ever is Allah Forgiving and Merciful.

 

[Ingledsva]

It isn't rape, read the verse carefully and read the underlined words in bold.

33:50
O Prophet, indeed We have made lawful to you your wives to whom you have given their due compensation and those your right hand possesses from what Allah has returned to you [of captives] and the daughters of your paternal uncles and the daughters of your paternal aunts and the daughters of your maternal uncles and the daughters of your maternal aunts who emigrated with you and a believing woman if she gives herself to the Prophet [and] if the Prophet wishes to marry her, [this is] only for you, excluding the [other] believers. We certainly know what We have made obligatory upon them concerning their wives and those their right hands possess, [but this is for you] in order that there will be upon you no discomfort. And ever is Allah Forgiving and Merciful.

Did you miss those AND's?

O Prophet, indeed We have made lawful to you your wives to whom you have given their due compensation

AND those your right hand possesses from what Allah has returned to you [of captives]

AND the daughters of your paternal uncles and the daughters of your paternal aunts and the daughters of your maternal uncles and the daughters of your maternal aunts who emigrated with you

AND a believing woman if she gives herself to the Prophet [and] if the Prophet wishes to marry her, [this is] only for you, excluding the [other] believers. We certainly know what We have made obligatory upon them concerning their wives and those their right hands possess, [but this is for you] in order that there will be upon you no discomfort. And ever is Allah Forgiving and Merciful.

SO - four separate group categories that he can have sex with!!!!

Wives, - and slaves (which is rape,) - and certain relatives, - and certain believing women.

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[FearGod]

Did you miss those AND's?

O Prophet, indeed We have made lawful to you your wives to whom you have given their due compensation

AND those your right hand possesses from what Allah has returned to you [of captives]

AND the daughters of your paternal uncles and the daughters of your paternal aunts and the daughters of your maternal uncles and the daughters of your maternal aunts who emigrated with you

AND a believing woman if she gives herself to the Prophet [and] if the Prophet wishes to marry her, [this is] only for you, excluding the [other] believers. We certainly know what We have made obligatory upon them concerning their wives and those their right hands possess, [but this is for you] in order that there will be upon you no discomfort. And ever is Allah Forgiving and Merciful.

SO - four separate group categories that he can have sex with!!!!

Wives, - and slaves (which is rape,) - and certain relatives, - and certain believing women.

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You said rape, but that doesn't make it rape.

Read the next verses which explains that women were attracted to him and the prophet was able to postpone
such relations with them if he wishes and he may accept them in later times for them to be satisfied

33:51
You, [O Muhammad], may put aside whom you will of them or take to yourself whom you will. And any that you desire of those [wives] from whom you had [temporarily] separated - there is no blame upon you [in returning her]. That is more suitable that they should be content and not grieve and that they should be satisfied with what you have given them - all of them. And Allah knows what is in your hearts. And ever is Allah Knowing and Forbearing.

The next verse make it clear that he has no right on women that not allowed to him whatever her beauty is,
so how is rape while not allowed to pick any women that he wishes.

33:52
Not lawful to you, [O Muhammad], are [any additional] women after [this], nor [is it] for you to exchange them for [other] wives, even if their beauty were to please you, except what your right hand possesses. And ever is Allah , over all things, an Observer.

Finally, the prophet wasn't an ordinary human being like us, he was created to be lovely and very attractive person
that people feel comfortable to be with, his first wife was never married and was a rich old woman and never
attracted to any man and she chose the prophet to marry her before receiving the message.

3:159
Thus it is due to mercy from Allah that you deal with them gently, and had you been rough, hard hearted, they would certainly have dispersed from around you; pardon them therefore and ask pardon for them, and take counsel with them in the affair; so when you have decided, then place your trust in Allah; surely Allah loves those who trust.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Deuteronomy 21:11-13 is RAPE not marriage. The words should be translated - woman - master, etc. At this point they are not to marry foreign women.
Deu 21:10 When thou goest forth to war against thine enemies, and the LORD thy God hath delivered them into thine hands, and thou hast taken them captive,
Deu 21:11 And seest among the captives a beautiful woman, and hast a desire for her, that thou wouldest have her to thy (WOMAN)
Deu 21:12 Then thou shalt bring her home to thine house; and she shall shave her head, and pare her nails;
Deu 21:13 And she shall put the raiment of her captivity from off her, and shall remain in thine house, and bewail her father and her mother a full month: and after that thou shalt go in unto her (RAPE), and be her (Master/Owner,) and she shall be thy (WOMAN.)
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Doesn't the Tanach use the word " WIFE " at Deuteronomy 21:11; Deuteronomy 21:13 ?________ besides Deuteronomy 21:15-17 ?_______

 

[Ingledsva]

You said rape, but that doesn't make it rape.

Read the next verses which explains that women were attracted to him and the prophet was able to postpone
such relations with them if he wishes and he may accept them in later times for them to be satisfied

33:51
You, [O Muhammad], may put aside whom you will of them or take to yourself whom you will. And any that you desire of those [wives] from whom you had [temporarily] separated - there is no blame upon you [in returning her]. That is more suitable that they should be content and not grieve and that they should be satisfied with what you have given them - all of them. And Allah knows what is in your hearts. And ever is Allah Knowing and Forbearing.

The next verse make it clear that he has no right on women that not allowed to him whatever her beauty is,
so how is rape while not allowed to pick any women that he wishes.

33:52
Not lawful to you, [O Muhammad], are [any additional] women after [this], nor [is it] for you to exchange them for [other] wives, even if their beauty were to please you, except what your right hand possesses. And ever is Allah , over all things, an Observer.

Finally, the prophet wasn't an ordinary human being like us, he was created to be lovely and very attractive person
that people feel comfortable to be with, his first wife was never married and was a rich old woman and never
attracted to any man and she chose the prophet to marry her before receiving the message.

3:159
Thus it is due to mercy from Allah that you deal with them gently, and had you been rough, hard hearted, they would certainly have dispersed from around you; pardon them therefore and ask pardon for them, and take counsel with them in the affair; so when you have decided, then place your trust in Allah; surely Allah loves those who trust.

Re-read what I posted.

It says he can have sex with four DIFFERENT groups of females!

ONE of those groups is captured slaves! No matter how you try to twist it, - sex with a captive is RAPE!

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[Ingledsva]

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Doesn't the Tanach use the word " WIFE " at Deuteronomy 21:11; Deuteronomy 21:13 ?________ besides Deuteronomy 21:15-17 ?_______

Wife is one of the translations - the other is woman.

For instance the words in red are the SAME word, - and the first translation WOMAN is correct.

Deu 21:11 And seest among the captives a beautiful woman, and hast a desire unto her, that thou wouldest have her to thy wife;

Deu 21:11 And seest among the captives a beautiful woman, and hast a desire unto her, that thou wouldest have her to be thy woman;

The word being translated "husband" means lord/owner.

The verses are about captured females from foreign groups - and they could NOT marry these foreign captives.

Thus, - the wording is Woman, not wife, and lord/owner not husband.

And it is rape no matter how you look at taking young captured girls, for sex.

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[URAVIP2ME]

In the Hebrew it is 'WIFE' at Deuteronomy 21:11-14

 

[Ingledsva]

In the Hebrew it is 'WIFE' at Deuteronomy 21:11-14

It is WOMAN.

Iysh is man-male, and 'ishshâh is woman-female.

The content of the text makes it plain that it is a captive woman, not wife.

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[FearGod]

Re-read what I posted.

It says he can have sex with four DIFFERENT groups of females!

ONE of those groups is captured slaves! No matter how you try to twist it, - sex with a captive is RAPE!

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I said to you read the next verse which speaks about all of them and which shows that women are
attracted and satisfied with the prophet, sex isn't bad if based on consensus.

33:51
You, [O Muhammad], may put aside whom you will of them or take to yourself whom you will. And any that you desire of those [wives] from whom you had [temporarily] separated - there is no blame upon you [in returning her]. That is more suitable that they should be content and not grieve and that they should be satisfied with what you have given them - all of them. And Allah knows what is in your hearts. And ever is Allah Knowing and Forbearing.

 

[Ingledsva]

I said to you read the next verse which speaks about all of them and which shows that women are
attracted and satisfied with the prophet, sex isn't bad if based on consensus.

33:51
You, [O Muhammad], may put aside whom you will of them or take to yourself whom you will. And any that you desire of those [wives] from whom you had [temporarily] separated - there is no blame upon you [in returning her]. That is more suitable that they should be content and not grieve and that they should be satisfied with what you have given them - all of them. And Allah knows what is in your hearts. And ever is Allah Knowing and Forbearing.

You are having a problem reading your own religious texts.

It does NOT mean that, as anyone reading it can see.

And again - it is ridiculous to say after a war, which has killed your family and friends, - and taken you captive, - that your captor using you for sex, is somehow not rape!

It is RAPE - and will never change from that designation.

Did you miss those AND's?

33:50 O Prophet, indeed We have made lawful to you your wives to whom you have given their due compensation

AND those your right hand possesses from what Allah has returned to you [of captives]

AND the daughters of your paternal uncles and the daughters of your paternal aunts and the daughters of your maternal uncles and the daughters of your maternal aunts who emigrated with you

AND a believing woman if she gives herself to the Prophet [and] if the Prophet wishes to marry her, [this is] only for you, excluding the [other] believers. We certainly know what We have made obligatory upon them concerning their wives and those their right hands possess, [but this is for you] in order that there will be upon you no discomfort. And ever is Allah Forgiving and Merciful.

SO - four separate group categories that he can have sex with!!!!

Wives, - and slaves (which is rape,) - and certain relatives, - and certain believing women.

Did you miss that second sentence in 33:50 that also DEFINITELY shows a DIFFERENCE between wives, - and captive sex possessions?

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"We certainly know what We have made obligatory upon them concerning their wives and those their right hands possess,"

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And 33:51 does not say what you imply.

33:51 Thou canst defer whom thou wilt of them and receive unto thee whom thou wilt, and whomsoever thou desirest of those whom thou hast set aside (temporarily), it is no sin for thee (to receive her again); that is better; that they may be comforted and not grieve, and may all be pleased with what thou givest them. Allah knoweth what is in your hearts (O men), and Allah is ever Forgiving.

It merely says he can take whomever he wants, - put them aside, - take them again, etc.

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[URAVIP2ME]

It is WOMAN.
Iysh is man-male, and 'ishshâh is woman-female.
The content of the text makes it plain that it is a captive woman, not wife.
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Sorry, I was Not more clear, that in the Hebrew Tanach Version it is "WIFE"

Doesn't the context show ' husband ' at Deuteronomy 21:13 ?_____