Couldn't have said it better myself...

[Subduction Zone]

How often have you successfully nailed a pudding to a wall?

I am from Minnesota. It is not that hard.

 

[Kelly of the Phoenix]

After saying that my question was unanswerable, you ended up giving an answer that said that humans weren't responsible for the murder of Jesus but God is responsible for it.
I suppose part of your misunderstanding comes from seeing God's foreknowledge of evil in the world as equivalent to God being responsible for all evil. So if God makes beings with free will and they decide to use it to do the wrong things, that is not their fault, it is the fault of God who made them and gave them free will while knowing they would misuse that free will.

Buck stops at the top

 

[muhammad_isa]

Buck stops at the top

Yes .. Almighty God is responsible for everything we see .. including evil.
..yet that does not absolve the guilty of their sins.
No court of law would find a person not guilty of a crime because "God made the person" .. it is not a valid reason for a human court, nor is it a valid reason for a higher authority.

Responsibility is something we have been given, whether we like it or not.
Why Almighty God allows evil could be debated until doomsday .. nothing changes .. we still have to take responsibility the best we can.

 

[Kelly of the Phoenix]

That's part of the teachings of Jesus but not all of what He was sent by God to do, allow Himself to be murdered for the sins of humanity.

Why does it have to be about benefits for me?

 

[Kelly of the Phoenix]

Jesus words are said by Jesus to be forever. The gospels has those words, the ones that have survived.

This is a lot funnier than you think.

 

[Kelly of the Phoenix]

If Jesus did not die and rise then God tricked all of Jesus followers and they included things in the gospels which just did not happen

Now you’re catching on. Kind of like when God lies about what happens when you eat some magic fruit.

 

[Kelly of the Phoenix]

It doesn't matter to me anymore what explanations are given as to how the presumptions by those you believe in are made and the conjectures by "scientists." Please have a nice day.

Weird. I’m a theist and I don’t mind science. It’s like saying watching behind the scenes stuff ruined your movie.

 

[Kelly of the Phoenix]

Let me ask you a question about Darwin and his subsequent conjectures or ideas about what he was taught about Christianity. This is in regard to evolution and death. How do you feel about death? Is it something you think is inevitable as long as there is life? In other words, if a close friend or relative dies, do you think, "Well, that's life (or death) and it's inevitable. No use pondering over it or feeling bad." Do you think about your own death, is it something you shrug your shoulders and say, "Well, that's part of life (or evolution)," so I don't feel bad about it. After all, you didn't ask to be alive, did you, before or while you were a cell in your mother's womb?

When we die, our bodies become the grass, and the antelope eat the….

 

[YoursTrue]

When we die, our bodies become the grass, and the antelope eat the….

Not saying no to that.

 

[YoursTrue]

Now you’re catching on. Kind of like when God lies about what happens when you eat some magic fruit.

You don't believe what happened. I do.

 

[Subduction Zone]

You don't believe what happened. I do.

Wait a second. I am not sure. Are you following the Biblical story where the only character that did not lie in the Adam and Eve myth was the Serpent?

 

[YoursTrue]

When we die, our bodies become the grass, and the antelope eat the….

So then 'we' started as zygotes but all flesh goes back to the ground, sea, or grass so to speak. Isaiah wrote of those that think similarly, perhaps you've heard of it:

"Listen! Someone is saying: “Call out!”
Another asks: “What should I call out?”
“All flesh is* green grass.
All their loyal love is like the blossom of the field."
(Isaiah 40)

See, he wrote that there are those who say that --

 

[YoursTrue]

Wait a second. I am not sure. Are you following the Biblical story where the only character that did not lie in the Adam and Eve myth was the Serpent?

He didn't lie? Shall we go back to the extent of 'day'?

 

[Subduction Zone]

He didn't lie? Shall we go back to the extent of 'day'?

You are trying to play word games now. Yes, God lied. To try to say that it meant something else would remove all urgency from the order. Plus you forgot what God did next in the myth.

 

[YoursTrue]

You are trying to play word games now. Yes, God lied. To try to say that it meant something else would remove all urgency from the order.

Well, maybe next time we can talk about it a little. My finite body is telling me it's time for me to go to sleep. Have a good one, as the saying goes. Maybe later...if we live and can connect to the internet, right?

 

[YoursTrue]

You are trying to play word games now. Yes, God lied. To try to say that it meant something else would remove all urgency from the order. Plus you forgot what God did next in the myth.

OK, I'm back but not going to stay on now. However, for the next time I come here, I'd surely like to read (1) what you mean by your statement that "God lied." Plus I also guess you figure somehow that Moses knew (?) that Adam and Eve were naked at first? I mean supposedly the Egyptians wore clothing so how do you think he knew Adam & Eve were naked "way back when -- ever." Until, of course, they wore animal skins.

 

[YoursTrue]

And speaking of gorillas or chimpanzees, @Subduction Zone primarily, they apparently do not feel the need to wear clothing.

 

[Subduction Zone]

OK, I'm back but not going to stay on now. However, for the next time I come here, I'd surely like to read (1) what you mean by your statement that "God lied." Plus I also guess you figure somehow that Moses knew (?) that Adam and Eve were naked at first? I mean supposedly the Egyptians wore clothing so how do you think he knew Adam & Eve were naked "way back when -- ever." Until, of course, they wore animal skins.

Once again, Moses was fictional. He is a character in the Bible. As a fictional character his knowledge could be no greater than that of his authors.

As to God lying in the myth he told Adam and Eve that on the day they ate from the tree they would die. They didn't. God lied.

 

[Subduction Zone]

And speaking of gorillas or chimpanzees, @Subduction Zone primarily, they apparently do not feel the need to wear clothing.

Neither do humans. That is a learned response.

 

[Mock Turtle]

And speaking of gorillas or chimpanzees, @Subduction Zone primarily, they apparently do not feel the need to wear clothing.

As do most species, given they have evolved to survive in their environment without such, so why would they? Oh, God withdrew the clothing option because it was just too much like an added expense during the production process.