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Couldn't have said it better myself...

Heyo

Veteran Member
Let me ask you a question about Darwin and his subsequent conjectures or ideas about what he was taught about Christianity. This is in regard to evolution and death. How do you feel about death? Is it something you think is inevitable as long as there is life? In other words, if a close friend or relative dies, do you think, "Well, that's life (or death) and it's inevitable. No use pondering over it or feeling bad." Do you think about your own death, is it something you shrug your shoulders and say, "Well, that's part of life (or evolution)," so I don't feel bad about it. After all, you didn't ask to be alive, did you, before or while you were a cell in your mother's womb?
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Let me ask you a question about Darwin and his subsequent conjectures or ideas about what he was taught about Christianity. This is in regard to evolution and death. How do you feel about death? Is it something you think is inevitable as long as there is life? In other words, if a close friend or relative dies, do you think, "Well, that's life (or death) and it's inevitable. No use pondering over it or feeling bad." Do you think about your own death, is it something you shrug your shoulders and say, "Well, that's part of life (or evolution)," so I don't feel bad about it. After all, you didn't ask to be alive, did you, before or while you were a cell in your mother's womb?
We have moved far past Darwin. Darwin got an amazing amount of things right He got a few things wrong. So what?

But yes, death is inevitable. It always was. There was no Adam and Eve. You know that . That was a fairy tale. And not that good of one. If you understand the myth then you have to see that God was at fault and the evil one. But why did you jump to a strawman argument? People only use strawman arguments when they know that they are wrong. People do not use the inevitable nature of death to excuse a lack of mourning.

Your question raises on back at you. If your Christian myths are true, and you knew that a person was a Christian when they died shouldn't you be celebrating? Instead of going to hell they are going to heaven. There should be no tears by a spouse. There should only be joy from the children. Why aren't Christians dancing in the streets? It is almost as if all of them knew that their religion was BS.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
It doesn't matter to me anymore what explanations are given as to how the presumptions by those you believe in are made and the conjectures by "scientists." Please have a nice day.
What "presumptions"? You do not even know if there were any. You appear to be accusing others of your sins.

Once again when you accuse others of doing something wrong you need to be able to prove it.
 

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
We have moved far past Darwin. Darwin got an amazing amount of things right He got a few things wrong. So what?

But yes, death is inevitable. It always was. There was no Adam and Eve. You know that . That was a fairy tale. And not that good of one. If you understand the myth then you have to see that God was at fault and the evil one. But why did you jump to a strawman argument? People only use strawman arguments when they know that they are wrong. People do not use the inevitable nature of death to excuse a lack of mourning.

Your question raises on back at you. If your Christian myths are true, and you knew that a person was a Christian when they died shouldn't you be celebrating? Instead of going to hell they are going to heaven. There should be no tears by a spouse. There should only be joy from the children. Why aren't Christians dancing in the streets? It is almost as if all of them knew that their religion was BS.
There is no substance to the theory of evolution. except conjecture, of course. Some might think there is, they may declare it is true, but it doesn't hold water. Meantime, enjoy your evolution until further time. :)
 

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
We have moved far past Darwin. Darwin got an amazing amount of things right He got a few things wrong. So what?

But yes, death is inevitable. It always was. There was no Adam and Eve. You know that . That was a fairy tale. And not that good of one. If you understand the myth then you have to see that God was at fault and the evil one. But why did you jump to a strawman argument? People only use strawman arguments when they know that they are wrong. People do not use the inevitable nature of death to excuse a lack of mourning.

Your question raises on back at you. If your Christian myths are true, and you knew that a person was a Christian when they died shouldn't you be celebrating? Instead of going to hell they are going to heaven. There should be no tears by a spouse. There should only be joy from the children. Why aren't Christians dancing in the streets? It is almost as if all of them knew that their religion was BS.
That's what you think, unfortunately.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
There is no substance to the theory of evolution. except conjecture, of course. Some might think there is, they may declare it is true, but it doesn't hold water. Meantime, enjoy your evolution until further time. :)
There you go making false claims about others again.

One reason that you may be afraid to learn is that if you understood the sciences this post of yours would be a lie.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
That's what you think, unfortunately.
No, it is what I know. It is odd that you seem to believe that it is okay to make false claims about others. You could know too. No one is stopping you from learning.

And I answered your question. Why did you duck mine. Grandma is going to heaven where she will but e happy forever. Why cry?
 

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
No, it is what I know. It is odd that you seem to believe that it is okay to make false claims about others. You could know too. No one is stopping you from learning.

And I answered your question. Why did you duck mine. Grandma is going to heaven where she will but e happy forever. Why cry?
I don't believe that about my grandmiother. Or yours. But I know she's not being "tortured" in some hot place. To understand what the word hell means, one would have to understand the context of the words from which many translators take their meaning.
 

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
There you go making false claims about others again.

One reason that you may be afraid to learn is that if you understood the sciences this post of yours would be a lie.
I've been reading and I see explanations that are surmised by scientists regarding many things. Here's a statement for starters: "The origin of life on Earth stands as one of the great mysteries of science. Various answers have been proposed, all of which remain unverified." The article goes on and is quite interesting. The origin of life on Earth, explained | University of Chicago News (uchicago.edu)
 

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
There you go making false claims about others again.

One reason that you may be afraid to learn is that if you understood the sciences this post of yours would be a lie.
Here's another one: "Will we ever know how life began? Whilst we will probably never know with absolute certainty how the origins of life came to be, scientists are continuously finding new evidence to support existing theories or propose new ones, shedding light on early life. Whilst the origins of life are very hypothetical, these hypotheses and theories can help us ask the right questions and explore aspects of evolution and answer the big question: are we alone in the universe?"
"VERY HYPOTHETICAL" lolol...These "VERY HYPOTHETICAL" hypotheses can help us(?) to ask the BIG QUESTION -- lolol...
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
I don't believe that about my grandmiother. Or yours. But I know she's not being "tortured" in some hot place. To understand what the word hell means, one would have to understand the context of the words from which many translators take their meaning.
There are multiple interpretations of what hell is. It varies from sect to sect. In many it is a place of torture. How would you know that your version is any more correct than any other?

Plus That was a bit of a dodge. You never explained why you would be sad about someone dying. It makes far more sense that atheists are sad when someone dies.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Here's another one: "Will we ever know how life began? Whilst we will probably never know with absolute certainty how the origins of life came to be, scientists are continuously finding new evidence to support existing theories or propose new ones, shedding light on early life. Whilst the origins of life are very hypothetical, these hypotheses and theories can help us ask the right questions and explore aspects of evolution and answer the big question: are we alone in the universe?"
"VERY HYPOTHETICAL" lolol...These "VERY HYPOTHETICAL" hypotheses can help us(?) to ask the BIG QUESTION -- lolol...
I see, so you latched onto a phrase that you did not understand. To be hypothetical a concept still must be supported by evidence. Meanwhile your beliefs are far more laughable. Why would you foster a belief with no reliable evidence at all?

Your beliefs are not much different than a belief in the Easter Bunny.
 

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
We have moved far past Darwin. Darwin got an amazing amount of things right He got a few things wrong. So what?

But yes, death is inevitable. It always was. There was no Adam and Eve. You know that . That was a fairy tale. And not that good of one. If you understand the myth then you have to see that God was at fault and the evil one. But why did you jump to a strawman argument? People only use strawman arguments when they know that they are wrong. People do not use the inevitable nature of death to excuse a lack of mourning.

Your question raises on back at you. If your Christian myths are true, and you knew that a person was a Christian when they died shouldn't you be celebrating? Instead of going to hell they are going to heaven. There should be no tears by a spouse. There should only be joy from the children. Why aren't Christians dancing in the streets? It is almost as if all of them knew that their religion was BS.
Speaking of Adam and Eve, specifically Adam, I was looking at the definition of energy.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Well, here is a statement about the evolution of horses. " The popular notion that horses started off the size of small dogs and grew progressively bigger is now shown to be false." Horse Evolution Followed Twisty Trail, Study Says (nationalgeographic.com)


LOL! That is because it is more complex than that. They did not just grow larger, they grew larger and smaller, It is a far more complex history that was first thought.

In fact you probably got that quote mine from a lying source and linked the original source. Linking the original source is the right thing to do, but it also refutes your claim. The source that you got this from lied by quote mining. Often they do not even give their sources when they quote mine. A quote mine is lying by quoting out of context. If your source had to lie to present their case why would you believe them?

All you have to do is read down further in the article where it supports what I claimed:

"In other words, horse evolution was never as straightforward as Marsh's smooth fossil sequence suggested."

That was all that was wrong with Marsh's model. He did not know how complex horse evolution is. Meanwhile the studies went on. I would hate to guess how many horse species and transitional species have been found. Over 20 years ago there were over 50 different species. That is a heck of a lot more than the four or five that Marsh had to work with. Is it any wonder that he got it wrong?

And this shows why science is far superior to the Bible. When an error is made we can fix it.

How do you fix the errors in the Bible?
 

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
There are multiple interpretations of what hell is. It varies from sect to sect. In many it is a place of torture. How would you know that your version is any more correct than any other?

Plus That was a bit of a dodge. You never explained why you would be sad about someone dying. It makes far more sense that atheists are sad when someone dies.
Well of course, we could always go back to which theory is right or wrong, right? I have already explained to you the basics, so energy --
By the way, yes, various religions or sects have a concoction of hell, naturally not quite like the Urey-Miller experiment. :)
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
I've been reading and I see explanations that are surmised by scientists regarding many things. Here's a statement for starters: "The origin of life on Earth stands as one of the great mysteries of science. Various answers have been proposed, all of which remain unverified." The article goes on and is quite interesting. The origin of life on Earth, explained | University of Chicago News (uchicago.edu)
Yes. That is about abiogenesis, not evolution. Abiogenesis is not verified yet. There are still some good sized problems.

So what? The theory of evolution does not depend upon abiogenesis. Let's say by some miracle that abiogenesis was shown to be wrong. That would not affect the theory of evolution in the slightest.
 

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
LOL! That is because it is more complex than that. They did not just grow larger, they grew larger and smaller, It is a far more complex history that was first thought.

In fact you probably got that quote mine from a lying source and linked the original source. Linking the original source is the right thing to do, but it also refutes your claim. The source that you got this from lied by quote mining. Often they do not even give their sources when they quote mine. A quote mine is lying by quoting out of context. If your source had to lie to present their case why would you believe them?

All you have to do is read down further in the article where it supports what I claimed:

"In other words, horse evolution was never as straightforward as Marsh's smooth fossil sequence suggested."

That was all that was wrong with Marsh's model. He did not know how complex horse evolution is. Meanwhile the studies went on. I would hate to guess how many horse species and transitional species have been found. Over 20 years ago there were over 50 different species. That is a heck of a lot more than the four or five that Marsh had to work with. Is it any wonder that he got it wrong?

And this shows why science is far superior to the Bible. When an error is made we can fix it.

How do you fix the errors in the Bible?
It's kind of like hell. Things like hell have different takes in the various groups. :) Thrust that smooth sequence imagining aside...
 
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