COVID-19: God's Punishment for Homosexuality?

[epronovost]

It's always interesting that you folks have to work yourselves into a frenzy about an old testament story that you don't believe happened in the first place. Amuse yourselves in your infinite wisdom.

I think you misunderstand what the fuss is all about. It's not about the content of your myths. It's about your love and your defense of them. If you were saying these are myths and allegory, moraly tales to teach people basic lessons, nobody would care about them or what ou think about it. If you tell me, the story of the 2 bears and the mauled children is a traditionnal fairy tale to spook children and teach them to be polite with their elders else bears are going to maul them, I would be saying something alongst the line: "Isn't it amazing how fairy tales for kids were so brutal and graphic in the past, it reminds me of the original Snow White or Hansel and Gretel story".

The frenzy is about the existence of a group of people who feel, not only that those myths are textually real, but that they are defensible and the justified action of the most exalted of all things in the cosmos. I'm baffled that you have so little insight to realise that this is what the fuss is about. It's not about your deity or your book, it's about you; it has always been about you and the twists of your own morality.

You're not God, and you don't have the full background knowledge of the event. And by the way, it doesn't say the bears killed.

You are right it says mauled which implies the possibility of being some children being simply injured, that's better, but still horrible.

 

[Spartan]

I think you misunderstand what the fuss is all about. It's not about the content of your myths. It's about your love and your defense of them. If you were saying these are myths and allegory, moraly tales to teach people basic lessons, nobody would care about them or what ou think about it. If you tell me, the story of the 2 bears and the mauled children is a traditionnal fairy tale to spook children and teach them to be polite with their elders else bears are going to maul them, I would be saying something alongst the line: "Isn't it amazing how fairy tales for kids were so brutal and graphic in the past, it reminds me of the original Snow White or Hansel and Gretel story".

The frenzy is about the existence of a group of people who feel, not only that those myths are textually real, but that they are defensible and the justified action of the most exalted of all things in the cosmos. I'm baffled that you have so little insight to realise that this is what the fuss is about. It's not about your deity or your book, it's about you; it has always been about you and the twists of your own morality.

You are right it says mauled which implies the possibility of being some children being simply injured, that's better, but still horrible.

Well, tell it to your canary. He might be impressed.

And the only reason you're breathing is because of God's mercy.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Your deity has created everthing, allowed all the horrors possibly imagineable and personnaly sanctioned all of them too and is now making the promise that he will put an end to all of this by bathing the world in blood like it has never been before. Don't you think all of this sounds like the myths of a bitter death cult who claim they will have vengeance against those who defeated and humiliated them? After all, your creed was built by people in exile after their nation was crushed by a stronger power (not that they were any kinder or better when they were in position of strength either or with those further bellow).

Yes, and everything at first was very good.
The issues raised in Eden brought about all the horrors........
When Adam broke God's Law it was as if he took the Law out of God's hands and placed the Law in man's hands.
Only the passing of time would show who governs best _________
Mankind's history shows: bathing the world in blood.
Even the false clergy of Christendom have used the pulpit as a recruiting station so parents would sacrifice their young on the Altar of War being taught that is the same thing as the Altar of God.
Whereas, Jesus taught to be neutral in world affairs.
Jesus and his followers did Not even get involved in the issues of the day between the Jews and Romans.

Yes, God's kingdom of Daniel 2:44 is the stronger power, with Jesus as King of God's Kingdom over Earth.
Jesus, even under adverse conditions, proved to be kinder and better.
This is why we are all invited to pray the invitation of Rev. 22:20 for Jesus to come !
Come and bring the blessing benefits of ' healing ' to earth's nations - Revelation 22:2

 

[Mitty]

God is all powerful. When He brings judgement everyone is affected. How many women and children were killed in the flood of Noah's day? No doubt it was in the millions.

What evidence do you have that Noah had millions of relatives (Gen 5), given that the bible clearly says that the only people who drowned in that particular local flood, which was only 15 cubits high, were obviously all members of Noah's family, including his grandparents (Gen 5:27) and his widowed mother (Gen 5:31) and his aunts & uncles & cousins (Gen 5:26) and his brothers & sisters (Gen 5:30) and his hundreds of children and grandchildren born before and after Mrs Noah gave birth to triplets at aged 500 years old (Gen 5:32)?
Or so the story goes.

Are you claiming that once upon a time women gave birth to hundreds of children, given that today's women have less than 450 menstrual cycles in their lifetime? Or is that story just another imaginative fantasy?

 

[shunyadragon]

Yes, and everything at first was very good.
The issues raised in Eden brought about all the horrors........
When Adam broke God's Law it was as if he took the Law out of God's hands and placed the Law in man's hands.
Only the passing of time would show who governs best _________
Mankind's history shows: bathing the world in blood.
Even the false clergy of Christendom have used the pulpit as a recruiting station so parents would sacrifice their young on the Altar of War being taught that is the same thing as the Altar of God.
Whereas, Jesus taught to be neutral in world affairs.
Jesus and his followers did Not even get involved in the issues of the day between the Jews and Romans.

Yes, God's kingdom of Daniel 2:44 is the stronger power, with Jesus as King of God's Kingdom over Earth.
Jesus, even under adverse conditions, proved to be kinder and better.
This is why we are all invited to pray the invitation of Rev. 22:20 for Jesus to come !
Come and bring the blessing benefits of ' healing ' to earth's nations - Revelation 22:2

Humanity has been very fallibly human since the first human walked the earth hundreds of thousands, and has not changed much since. The ancestors of the COVID- 19, flues and other diseases have been with us our whole history. Our ancestors were almost wiped out ~70,000 years ago by a volcanic eruption, and then we spread out across the world and we were not angels. Natural epidemics and pandemics are mostly apart of our recent history as the world became crowded.

 

[Mitty]

Baloney. You sound like the liberal left pining for criminal illegal aliens while trying to justify the wholesale slaughter of the innocent unborn.

As for the flood, the scriptures record: “..the Lord saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every intention of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually” (Genesis 6:5
and it grieved God “to his heart” (Genesis 6:6) So God sent the floodwaters as a judgment, a block in the way of humanity’s wickedness (Genesis 6:5-6).

Why were Noah's family so wicked, given that the bible says that the only people who drowned in that particular local flood were all members of Noah's family (Gen 5:26-32)? And is that why Moses & Noah & Abraham never went to heaven (John 3:13)?

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

The "such and such disease is punishment for homosexuality" is so stupid. Apart from anything else, lesbians, as a group, have one of the lowest incidents of communicable disease of any population cohort.

 

[shunyadragon]

What evidence do you have that Noah had millions of relatives (Gen 5), given that the bible clearly says that the only people who drowned in that particular local flood, which was only 15 cubits high, were obviously all members of Noah's family, including his grandparents (Gen 5:27) and his widowed mother (Gen 5:31) and his aunts & uncles & cousins (Gen 5:26) and his brothers & sisters (Gen 5:30) and his hundreds of children and grandchildren born before and after Mrs Noah gave birth to triplets at aged 500 years old (Gen 5:32)?
Or so the story goes.

Are you claiming that once upon a time women gave birth to hundreds of children, given that today's women have less than 450 menstrual cycles in their lifetime? Or is that story just another imaginative fantasy?

The flood Biblically was higher than the mountains like 15 cubits over the mountains.

 

[Mitty]

The flood Biblically was higher than the mountains like 15 cubits over the mountains.

Wrong. The KJV and the Hebrew bible clearly say that the particular flood which drowned most of Noah's family and their animals was only 15 cubits high, and that an olive tree growing outside the flooded area was unaffected by the flood waters. And therefore the "mountains" in the flooded area were less than 15 cubits higher than the normal height of the river when not in flood,

Genesis 7:20 King James Version
20 Fifteen cubits upward did the waters prevail;
and the mountains were covered.

 

[shunyadragon]

Wrong. The KJV and the Hebrew bible clearly say that the particular flood which drowned most of Noah's family and their animals was only 15 cubits high, and that an olive tree growing outside the flooded area was unaffected by the flood waters. And therefore the "mountains" in the flooded area were less than 15 cubits higher than the normal height of the river when not in flood,

Genesis 7:20 King James Version
20 Fifteen cubits upward did the waters prevail;
and the mountains were covered.

OK, 20 cubits over the mountains, which were covered.

 

[Mitty]

OK, 20 cubits over the mountains, which were covered.

Wrong. Anyone who is familiar with linguistics and the English language can see that the KJV says that the flood height was only 15 cubits high, and that the "mountains" in the flooded area were therefore less than 15 cubits higher than the normal river height when not in flood, since those particular "mountains" were covered. And the flood waters drained away like every other similar flood.

And it doesn't mean that the ocean level magically rose at the rate of 150 mm per minute for 40 days and covered Mt Everest by 15 cubits (or even covered Mt Ararat) with an extra 4.5 billion cubic kilometres of water which magically disappeared within a year, given that there is about 1.4 billion cubic kilometres of water on Earth.

 

[rational experiences]

GOD O said science by natural law is stone.....the face of God is said is on the water in the great deep.

Our natural O Earth planet, whose face is sealed by the flooded Earth history right up to the mountain peaks a few of which were still poking out of the water flood, when the Earth in the UFO was Sun converted and nearly core blew apart.

Water sealed shut the stone fusion.

Some mountains peaks were flat topped, as the presence UFO radiation metal mass flat topped those mountains above the water line. STone beneath the water was kept sealed...what the theme said as a vision/recorded Earth memory.

Change the face of Earth, its fusion and then God will punish you for breaking the seals of stone fusion by mountain law ^ he says...….pyramid radiation technologies.

As a stated known relative scientific law explanation against his own person, the scientist.

So always knew.

Today Planet Earth natural radio wave/radiation was changed by scientists in our Christ heavenly atmosphere that was never God.....relative law said God was the stone fusion.....and not the Heavenly gases that belonged historically to empty cold womb space formation/evolution....growth/change.

As relative advice in the sciences.

God therefore is changed by science invention.
Christ therefore is changed by science invention.

Both conditions together attack our life, as science, the speaker of all information including science medical advice is advised.

 

[shunyadragon]

Wrong. Anyone who is familiar with linguistics and the English language can see that the KJV says that the flood height was only 15 cubits high, and that the "mountains" in the flooded area were therefore less than 15 cubits higher than the normal river height when not in flood, since those particular "mountains" were covered. And the flood waters drained away like every other similar flood.

And it doesn't mean that the ocean level magically rose at the rate of 150 mm per minute for 40 days and covered Mt Everest by 15 cubits (or even covered Mt Ararat) with an extra 4.5 billion cubic kilometres of water which magically disappeared within a year, given that there is about 1.4 billion cubic kilometres of water on Earth.

We are not dealing with the English in understanding the original Hebrew of Genesis. IT is a linguistic fact that actually in the Hebrew and by the way English the flood covered the mountains. When the description is the flood covers the mountains it describes the flood covering the mountains,

ENRON manipulation of scripture to justify what you believe is unethical.

 

[Mitty]

We are not dealing with the English in understanding the original Hebrew of Genesis. IT is a linguistic fact that actually in the Hebrew and by the way English the flood covered the mountains. When the description is the flood covers the mountains it describes the flood covering the mountains,

Still doesn't change the fact that the KJV and the Hebrew bible say that the flood which drowned most of Noah's family and their goats and sheep and pigs was only 15 cubits high (ie "15 cubits upward did the waters prevail") and that it covered the higher ground (ie "mountains" or "higher hills") in the flooded area. Any other interpretation is completely ridiculous, particularly if the story is just a retelling of an older story about a large river flood such as in the Gilgamesh epic, and given that the story says that a nearby olive tree was unaffected and that the flood water drained away like every other similar flood. The biblical story just says that the flood stretched to the horizon (ie "under the whole heaven") and does not say that it was global, nor that it covered Mt Everest or even Mt Ararat, let alone by 15 cubits as some unethical interpretations falsely claim.

ENRON manipulation of scripture to justify what you believe is unethical.

 

[Mitty]

Well, tell it to your canary. He might be impressed.

And the only reason you're breathing is because of God's mercy.

How and why was that god merciful?

 

[shunyadragon]

Still doesn't change the fact that the KJV and the Hebrew bible say that the flood which drowned most of Noah's family and their goats and sheep and pigs was only 15 cubits high (ie "15 cubits upward did the waters prevail") and that it covered the higher ground (ie "mountains" or "higher hills") in the flooded area. Any other interpretation is completely ridiculous, particularly if the story is just a retelling of an older story about a large river flood such as in the Gilgamesh epic, and given that the story says that a nearby olive tree was unaffected and that the flood water drained away like every other similar flood. The biblical story just says that the flood stretched to the horizon (ie "under the whole heaven") and does not say that it was global, nor that it covered Mt Everest or even Mt Ararat, let alone by 15 cubits as some unethical interpretations falsely claim.

ENRON manipulation of scripture to justify what you believe is unethical.

You just cited where it describes covering the whole word "under the whole heaven" and covering all the mountains and the hills. In other words a world flood.

 

[Mitty]

You just cited where it describes covering the whole word "under the whole heaven" and covering all the mountains and the hills.

In other words the bible says that the flood which drowned most of Noah's family was just a local event since it was only 15 cubits high and covered the land to the circular horizon, and given that the bible describes Earth as a flat immovable disc, and describes the universe/heavens as a geocentric dome-shaped tent attached to the circle of the horizon (Matt 4:8 Isaiah 40:22 Eccl 1:5), and DOES NOT describe Earth as a rotating globe orbiting the Sun.

Isaiah 40:22 King James version
22 It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:

And that's your choice if you don't believe what the bible actually says, and believe that once upon a time the ocean level magically rose at the rate of 150 mm per minute for 40 days and that the extra 4.5 billion cubic kilometres of water magically disappeared over the next year.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Humanity has been very fallibly human since the first human walked the earth hundreds of thousands, and has not changed much since. The ancestors of the COVID-19, flues and other diseases have been with us our whole history. Our ancestors were almost wiped out ~70,000 years ago by a volcanic eruption, and then we spread out across the world and we were not angels. Natural epidemics and pandemics are mostly apart of our recent history as the world became crowded.

I find regardless of the C-19 cause it still fulfills Luke 21:11 coupled with these last days of badness on Earth as described at 2 Timothy 3:1-5,13.
This ties in with the international declaring about the good news of God's kingdom government (Daniel 2:44) just as Jesus said at Matthew 24:14; Acts 1:8.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

How and why was that god merciful?

Since the world was full of violence as Genesis 6:11 informs us, then if God had Not acted there would be No one righteous left on Earth.
Those violent people would have killed off righteous Noah and his family.
God knows the point of no return, no repenting, so God showed Mercy so that we could have the opportunity to be born and think who we would like as Sovereign over us.

 

[Mitty]

Since the world was full of violence as Genesis 6:11 informs us, then if God had Not acted there would be No one righteous left on Earth.
Those violent people would have killed off righteous Noah and his family.
God knows the point of no return, no repenting, so God showed Mercy so that we could have the opportunity to be born and think who we would like as Sovereign over us.

So why were most of Noah's family so violent and wanted to kill Noah, given that the people who drowned in that particular flood were all members of Noah's family, including his grandparents (Gen 5:27) and his widowed mother (Gen 5:31) and his aunts & uncles & cousins (Gen 5:26) and his brothers & sisters (Gen 5:30) and his hundreds of other children & grandchildren born before and after Mrs Noah gave birth to triplets at aged 500 "years" old? And is that why Noah & Abraham & Moses etc never went to heaven (John 3:13)?