Covid: ICU nurse speaks out

[sun rise]

This speaks for itself. And it's being replicated all over. And on top of it, the governor of Texas gets covid, freaks out and gets a treatment reserved for those who are in serious condition.

Upset Covid Frontline Nurse Delivers A Spot-On Twitter Thread On People’s Mistrust In Modern Medicine

 

[Altfish]

So sad, so terribly tragic

 

[Father Heathen]

This culture war is having real casualties, which is why those who are not only willfully ignorant but smugly so make my blood boil.

 

[Nimos]

Would be interesting to know exactly what these anti vaccine people are afraid of? I would assume that the majority is because of some conspiracy reason. But I doubt that is the only one?

Are there any religious reason why they wouldn't? I mean, as far as I know it is no problem for the "standard" Christian or Muslim believer, but are there some nominations of these or other religions that are against it, does anyone know?

What still shocks me is the amount of evidence for the vaccine, I mean just a quick search on the good old google, it seems that 1.8 billion are fully vaccinated and doubling that for those that have gotten the first one only. That is a pretty huge amount of test cases

But anyway, its sad to see people die from it, if it could have been prevented.

 

[SigurdReginson]

At my time at working in the ICU since November, I haven't seen any young folks die from covid, thankfully. I have seen old folks dying from it, though. Then again, I've seen people dying from lots of different things there.

I was an extra yesterday, and I went down to the ICU to see how things were since I had a little bit of free time. Just last month, we had no covid patients there. Yesterday, the entire floor was filled with them. Every single room there. I haven't seen the hospital this packed with covid patients in at least half a year.

It's back, and it's beginning all over again with this latest strain. We have downgraded to phase two containment procedures in my hospital. We now are required to get mandatory vaccinations. Thankfully I got mine months ago, but for those who don't want it, they better claim religious reasons. They don't seem to be honoring medical exemptions.

One of my coworkers said that she didn't want to get the vaccine because she felt god was weighing the issue on her heart. I asked her how, since she had gotten other vaccines in the last, but she wouldn't go into detail... Seems foolish to me since the chance of catching it is going to be a certainty at some point in our lives, but it's her life. I told her that she could claim to be a member of the church of Jesus Christ: Scientist since they have anti-vax beliefs, but I'm no expert on the matter.

 

[Stevicus]

This speaks for itself. And it's being replicated all over. And on top of it, the governor of Texas gets covid, freaks out and gets a treatment reserved for those who are in serious condition.
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Upset Covid Frontline Nurse Delivers A Spot-On Twitter Thread On People’s Mistrust In Modern Medicine

I was visiting with my brother and some friends this past weekend, and one of the things we reminisced about was when we were schoolkids. One day, we were all called to the gym, lined up, and vaccinated (for rubella, as well as for polio). I don't recall if my parents were ever asked, or anything like that at all. I don't even know if refusing was even an option, or if there were anti-vaxxers back then. That's what makes me wonder.

 

[Revoltingest]

Opposing anti-vaxers is a difficult but necessary business.
Be prepared for some anger.

 

[lostwanderingsoul]

Made worse by governors of some states who will not allow cities to require masks. Politics over people's lives. And just today one such governor tested positive for Covid. Such stupidity.

 

[Kenny]

This speaks for itself. And it's being replicated all over. And on top of it, the governor of Texas gets covid, freaks out and gets a treatment reserved for those who are in serious condition.
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Upset Covid Frontline Nurse Delivers A Spot-On Twitter Thread On People’s Mistrust In Modern Medicine

I think everyone has to make their own decision. There are pros and cons to both sides.

It is horrible to have a young person snatched of her future and her life. This is horrible!

But I can't seem to make it just a vaccine issue...

A very young Michigan boy dies after second Pfizer shot - through one of the side effects of an enlarged heart:
Michigan boy dies days after getting Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine
Just as horrible


A Charlotte teen also passed away - just as horrible:

Charlotte teen dies from rare COVID-19 complication, MIS-C | wcnc.com

For that matter, we already know that although vaccines may help you, it is still no guarantee as nearly 30 fully vaccinated Louisiana residents had their last breath even with a vaccination.:


Nearly 30 fully vaccinated Louisiana residents have died with COVID-19

So lives are saved (by vaccines), some are saved by having contracted covid and survived and some are lost because of vaccines or even if they did have vaccines it didn't help...

Should it be a free will of choice issue?

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

I think everyone has to make their own decision. There are pros and cons to both sides.

Here's a challenge for you, Ken: can you draw up an honest list of the pros and cons on both sides of the vaccination question?

 

[Jeremiah Ames]

This speaks for itself. And it's being replicated all over. And on top of it, the governor of Texas gets covid, freaks out and gets a treatment reserved for those who are in serious condition.
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Can’t be that comment.

I would like to knock on antivax people’s heads like Biff did in Back to the Future:

“Hello, anybody home?”

 

[Wandering Monk]

My 26 year old great niece is in the hospital on oxygen due to Covid. Her aunt's fiancee died from Covid in the first wave. He was in his early 40's.

 

[Kenny]

Here's a challenge for you, Ken: can you draw up an honest list of the pros and cons on both sides of the vaccination question?

Sure.... Hopefully I won't violate any rules

Pros of vaccination:

• The higher possibility of you not contracting Covid
• If contracting Covid, it may be at a lesser degree of intensity (although some have died or have been admitted to ICU
• If there is a vaccination passport, there is a certain degree of more comfort for those around you(even if it doesn't have a guarantee)

(shorter list does not equate as less important or less valuable... just less possibilities.)

Cons of vaccination:

• It still is in an FDA "emergency use authorization" - not an truly approved vaccination (if I understand the process correctly)
• It uses new technology (RNA manipulation) - with no historical safety record (as far as I know)
• There are some (though not of great percentage) of immediate side effects that can result from mild discomfort to death and in between the two.
• There is no knowledge that can be determined, at this time, of long term effects. As an example -- an enlarged heart that may be overcome now but don't know what the effects are 40 years later.
• It isn't a guarantee that you won't get Covid, you might need a third booster shot, and since it is a virus, additional vaccinations may be required for variant Covid viruses

Pros of natural vaccination:

• The higher possibility of you not contracting Covid again
• If you contract it again, it may be at a lesser degree of intensity
• If there is a "I have had covid naturally passport (like in Israel)" there is a certain degree of more comfort for those around you (even if it doesn't have a guarantee)

Cons of natural vaccination:

• you could die (even if the percentage is not very large - it gets larger the older you get or the more compromised your body is) - but that is true of the vaccination too
• You could have some lasting effects if it affected your cerebral area.

Pros of no vaccination:

• you maintain your freedom of decision (although you still have your freedom of decision if you DECIDE to take the vaccine

Cons of no vaccination:

• please reference to cons of natural vaccination.

I don't really find the logic of "If you don't get vaccinated, you are a danger to society", no more than if you get in your car to drive. Because if you feel that the unvaccinated are a danger to you, you can go ahead and get vaccinated and not worry about it. (At least in my view)

Would you like to add to my list? More minds makes a better list.

 

[Daemon Sophic]

I think everyone has to make their own decision. There are pros and cons to both sides.

It is horrible to have a young person snatched of her future and her life. This is horrible!

But I can't seem to make it just a vaccine issue...

A very young Michigan boy dies after second Pfizer shot - through one of the side effects of an enlarged heart:
Michigan boy dies days after getting Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine
Just as horrible


A Charlotte teen also passed away - just as horrible:

Charlotte teen dies from rare COVID-19 complication, MIS-C | wcnc.com

For that matter, we already know that although vaccines may help you, it is still no guarantee as nearly 30 fully vaccinated Louisiana residents had their last breath even with a vaccination.:


Nearly 30 fully vaccinated Louisiana residents have died with COVID-19

So lives are saved (by vaccines), some are saved by having contracted covid and survived and some are lost because of vaccines or even if they did have vaccines it didn't help...

Should it be a free will of choice issue?

@KenS , it’s about the numbers.
Citing the rare case (yes. Rare case.) as reason for not getting vaccinated is as foolhardy as saying that using your seatbelt is an evil fascist government mandate that does not stand to “reason”, because I can show you lots of people who were injured, maimed, paralyzed, and even died while wearing seatbelts. So there you have it. The facts show that both sides, for and against wearing seatbelts, have some facts on there side.

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— And from your article about 30 Louisiana folks having breakthrough COVID.
“Among unvaccinated or partially vaccinated individuals, the death rate is exponentially higher, with a total of 10,765 coronavirus deaths reported in Louisiana as of Wednesday.”

Just do the reading beyond the title, and do the math. Do you tell your own kids, friends, and other family members to NOT wear a seatbelt?
I hope you are not so dangerously misled.
Good luck to you and yours @KenS .

 

[Kenny]

@KenS , it’s about the numbers.
Citing the rare case (yes. Rare case.) as reason for not getting vaccinated is as foolhardy as saying that using your seatbelt is an evil fascist government mandate that does not stand to “reason”, because I can show you lots of people who were injured, maimed, paralyzed, and even died while wearing seatbelts. So there you have it. The facts show that both sides, for and against wearing seatbelts, have some facts on there side.

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— And from your article about 30 Louisiana folks having breakthrough COVID.
“Among unvaccinated or partially vaccinated individuals, the death rate is exponentially higher, with a total of 10,765 coronavirus deaths reported in Louisiana as of Wednesday.”

Just do the reading beyond the title, and do the math. Do you tell your own kids, friends, and other family members to NOT wear a seatbelt?
I hope you are not so dangerously misled.
Good luck to you and yours @KenS .

Yes... Hopefully that was understood in my statement. But I don't understand the quote of exponentially higher because it doesn't list percentages.

PS... I don't agree with the seatbelt analogy.

And thank you for the well wishes

 

[Twilight Hue]

Bottom line.

Get the vaccine if you feel its that urgent.

Keep out of people's business in deciding what they should or should not do with their body. It's their choice, and not yours to make.







End of story.

 

[stvdv]

I don't really find the logic of "If you don't get vaccinated, you are a danger to society", no more than if you get in your car to drive. Because if you feel that the unvaccinated are a danger to you, you can go ahead and get vaccinated and not worry about it. (At least in my view)

Good point. I agree with this

 

[stvdv]

Bottom line.

Get the vaccine if you feel its that urgent.

Keep out of people's business in deciding what they should or should not do with their body. It's their choice, and not yours to make.

End of story.

Exactly, as simple as that

 

[Daemon Sophic]

@KenS , post: 7296953, member: 47847"]Yes... Hopefully that was understood in my statement. But I don't understand the quote of exponentially higher because it doesn't list percentages. — roughly 40% of Louisiana’s population is vaccinated. So if vaccination has no good effects in saving lives, then we would see that of the roughly 10,400 COVID deaths in that state, about 4,150 would be unvaccinated and the other 6,250 would be vaccinated. 50/50.
But instead 6,220 lives were saved by people wisely having vaccinated themselves.
The reality is that COVID is killing the unvaccinated in Louisiana MUCH MORE than wise and foresightful vaccinated, just like in every other state in our nation, and in every other country on the planet.

PS... I don't agree with the seatbelt analogy. Seatbelts are restraining and uncomfortable to some, yet the way they save lives and prevent injuries caused the US government to mandate them. “Click it or ticket.” People wailed and whined, many claiming that they are safer being thrown clear from a car crash compared to being stuck inside the wreck. Yet in the end, people started wearing their seatbelts much more frequently, until now I’m certain that even republicans would look down severely upon anyone not buckling up their children for a car ride. And guess what? Tens of thousands of lives are saved every year in our great country due to forcing the foolish to wear their seatbelts.[/QUOTE]

 

[Moonjuice]

I'm not vaccinated, but I'm not at all an anti-vaxer.

My wife is a teacher and she brought home Covid to us both early this year, from another infected teacher (not a kid). We both had what you would call incredibly mild cases. A little fatigue, some lack of taste. My wife additionally had a bit of a headache for a couple of days, but no other symptoms. In just a couple of days, we were 99% normal. Only the lack of taste lingered for a week or two.

The only reason why I haven't had a vaccine yet is because I don't think the risk justifies the reward (for me). I honestly don't care if I catch Covid again. Every single cold I have ever had was worse than my bout with Covid. Since the long term affects of taking this vaccine are unknown, I see no good reason to risk it, even if the risk is small. I have some first hand experience with the FDA's EUA on respirator masks and lets just say, trusting the FDA completely is a mistake. I don't trust the FDA any more than I do any pharmaceutical company that puts profits above human lives.

If you are worried about dying from catching Covid, you should get the shots. If you are worried about other people giving you Covid, you should get the shots.

If I'm not worried about catching it or dying from it, then why would I take it? To protect other people? They should take it and protect themselves, if that's what they want to do.

I also believe everyone should be free to make up their own mind.