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Crazy gun laws

Revoltingest

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
oldbadger said:
Survival in a drone fight?
I'd want what the hero in the Bourne Legacy had....... a take-down semi-automatic high-power long-range big-bore scoped-out sniper-rifle, with a good-eye, steady-hand and lots of training.
Oh b-gger.......... more crazy guns! :D
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Alas, that is old technology.
Drones will become smaller & more numerous.
Other countermeasures will be needed.
 
metis

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
Brickjectivity said:
Michigan? Isn't that were Florida gets most of its retirees from? @metis
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Probably. Hey, even my parents had a place they rented there for three months a year for many years, and I have two uncles who live there now. I honestly don't like it there, so we purchased a summer home here in da U.P. where I'm posting from now.
 
metis

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
Brickjectivity said:
While I acknowledge the dangers of guns I think that the real problems here are racism, the new wealth divide and lots of social suffering. So, yes guns are dangerous, but its silly to say that its the presence of guns causing the majority of crime. In particular its silly to compare our crime rates to Canada's and blame the difference on guns. That is not at all realistic and avoids the pertinent facts. Our culture has been deeply screwed by racism and by a lot of fundamentalism, both of which have also contributed to the incarceration of people who probably could have been rehabilitated who are instead in prison. Our crime rates are both too high and also artificially high, not because of guns but mainly because of other issues.

If you want to argue that the presence of guns makes crimes worse, then please by all means go ahead; but don't try to tell me that guns are creating crime. What's causing crime is a mountain of crap that has happened. Its ridiculous how many people can't just get a job, buy a house and live, how many don't have health care etc. It ridiculous that we have snake handling churches. Ok? Its not all because of guns, so lets please stop trying to drive the guns into the sea without dealing with the really big and solvable problems.
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The proliferation of guns is a factor but certainly not the only factor. Nor will I go as far as saying it's the #1 factor. Also, the Canadian laws are definitely more stringent in this area, especially when dealing with licenses for handguns.

As Gandhi said, the truth is rarely simple.
 
metis

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
Brickjectivity said:
It isn't enough for the government to give lip service or to symbolically say that it derives its authority from the citizens. Sometimes the govt. forgets and has to be forced to remember who its parent is, as in for example the case of Miranda vs. Arizona (from which comes the famous 'Miranda rights' that police must recite during arrests). If we want to follow the example of the royal countries and commonwealths in which protection and rights are derived from the government (which is un-American), then sure no weapons deemed unnecessary by our parent, our government, should be permitted. If we still believe that authority and the duty to protect is derived from citizens, then the govt. has no business stripping citizens of weapons. We are the authority, and we allow the govt. powers and allow it to have a military, not the other way around. If you give up the right to 'Bear arms' you acknowledge authority is derived from the govt. and only what the govt. allows trickles down to us. You may as well just go ahead and hand over power over the country to someone really smart who will do a better job of ruling than we the people, because that is eventually what you will do if you give up the right to bear arms. Then our republic turns into a govt. for the govt. by the govt. and screws we the people. As it is its already gotten us into wars that it shouldn't have and disrespected us. It is testing us once again, pushing to become the parent instead of the child.
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I don't see where anyone here is saying we should ban all guns.
 
Brickjectivity

Brickjectivity

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
metis said:
I don't see where anyone here is saying we should ban all guns.
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Our gun laws have been called 'Crazy'. I grok that Europeans who live with very strict gun control and have small territories might not feel comfortable with our gun laws, but letting citizens (not felons) have guns is not crazy. Forcing citizens to register all guns is a mistake, because our govt. already has too much information about each one of us. In this digital age that information should be a secret. Our greatest weapons against terrorism and massacres should not be gun control, which really does not control most crime; but it should be good domestic policies and equal opportunity. By registering all weapons we tell the next would-be-dictator whom to kill first. Remember when the communists rolled across China they killed everyone that they thought was smart or educated, and since they had no database they selected everyone who had glasses. When Stalin took over in Russia he killed everyone who could intelligently oppose him, even his own friends and supporters. These are examples of dictators shrewdly using information about anyone who can oppose them. That information must never be public in the USA, and the right to bear arms would in spirit be undermined by requiring the registration of weapons.
 
Wirey

Wirey

Fartist
Brickjectivity said:
Our gun laws have been called 'Crazy'. I grok that Europeans who live with very strict gun control and have small territories might not feel comfortable with our gun laws, but letting citizens (not felons) have guns is not crazy. Forcing citizens to register all guns is a mistake, because our govt. already has too much information about each one of us. In this digital age that information should be a secret. Our greatest weapons against terrorism and massacres should not be gun control, which really does not control most crime; but it should be good domestic policies and equal opportunity. By registering all weapons we tell the next would-be-dictator whom to kill first. Remember when the communists rolled across China they killed everyone that they thought was smart or educated, and since they had no database they selected everyone who had glasses. When Stalin took over in Russia he killed everyone who could intelligently oppose him, even his own friends and supporters. These are examples of dictators shrewdly using information about anyone who can oppose them. That information must never be public in the USA, and the right to bear arms would in spirit be undermined by requiring the registration of weapons.
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If you really believe you need to fear your own government that much, your country is already a failure.
 
oldbadger

oldbadger

Skanky Old Mongrel!
Revoltingest said:
Alas, that is old technology.
Drones will become smaller & more numerous.
Other countermeasures will be needed.
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I was far out on the low-tide line, 800 yards out from the sea-wall, collecting oysters. This drone, a six-rotor job about 15" square and 12" in height came whizzing along the waters edge until it reached me. It stopped, obviously filming me for the operator's interest. I waved, and it flew on down the coast until out of sight. I don't think that model radio-control could achieve those distances........ maybe it was operating on some cell-net. Bloody amazing.
 
metis

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
Brickjectivity said:
Our gun laws have been called 'Crazy'. I grok that Europeans who live with very strict gun control and have small territories might not feel comfortable with our gun laws, but letting citizens (not felons) have guns is not crazy. Forcing citizens to register all guns is a mistake, because our govt. already has too much information about each one of us. In this digital age that information should be a secret. Our greatest weapons against terrorism and massacres should not be gun control, which really does not control most crime; but it should be good domestic policies and equal opportunity. By registering all weapons we tell the next would-be-dictator whom to kill first. Remember when the communists rolled across China they killed everyone that they thought was smart or educated, and since they had no database they selected everyone who had glasses. When Stalin took over in Russia he killed everyone who could intelligently oppose him, even his own friends and supporters. These are examples of dictators shrewdly using information about anyone who can oppose them. That information must never be public in the USA, and the right to bear arms would in spirit be undermined by requiring the registration of weapons.
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I'm not trying to take people's guns away.
 
Revoltingest

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
This one looks cute.....
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Brickjectivity

Brickjectivity

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
Wirey said:
If you really believe you need to fear your own government that much, your country is already a failure.
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Things are going to be ok, but realistically our govt. did do all that torture, did some weird interference with other govts in S America, got caught spying on allies etc. There are some problems down here, man. The weather's actually quite good though.
 
icehorse

icehorse

......unaffiliated...... anti-dogmatist
Premium Member
Brickjectivity said:
There are lots of ways to arm citizens such as with privacy and education, and I do not suggest guns automatically take care of problems, but they are a reasonable cautionary thing. I tell you politicians take them into consideration. The peaceful protest made by citizens with the right to bear arms is given more attention than a peaceful protest by unarmed persons. Its like having money. It makes your citizens more powerful, and it moves some power from the top back into the ranks.

Ok, look at an extreme case. Suppose your government has cameras everywhere, has power to do anything to your identity and financial records, documents or whatever and has complete control of your life and you have no way of intervening except by a peaceful protest. Are you really a citizen? Not really. You work for the government in that case, and you live by the government and it defines what you are. Now the opposite is that you have privacy, have control of your records, control of your identity and have a means of defending yourself from your government. Now you are a citizen. See?
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Brick, You've made a couple of posts in this thread along the lines of whether the gov. serves the people or the other way around. Seems to me that's a really important idea, I hope you start a new thread!
 
Dirty Penguin

Dirty Penguin

Master Of Ceremony
SkylarHunter said:
Can you imagine how amazing life would be if everybody dumped the guns and played music instead?
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So while you're disarming me...how are you going to convince criminals to turn in their guns and sing kum..ba..ya!!!

When one of them is kicking in my patio at 2am or bursting through it with a crow bar or a brick..... Should I shoot him or challenge him to a sing off....????
 
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