Crazy gun laws

[9-10ths_Penguin]

It's the principle of the thing.

So the guns are only a symbolic defense against tyranny?

(...that kills tens of thousands a year)

Seriously, how would you get rid of firearms already in the hands of those that would do you harm?

I guess it's been long enough that people have forgotten what I proposed.

If I was in charge of the US right now, I'd require all firearms to be insured, for starters. Market forces would sort out a lot of the problems: safe and responsible gun owners would pay low rates. People who engage in risky activities would pay accordingly... or in most cases, wouldn't be able to afford being risky with a firearm.

For criminal weapons, I would make it so that the last legal owner of a weapon - starting with the mamufacturer and going on down - is liable for damages for the criminal use of their weapon unless they can demonstrate that they legally transferred it to someone else. In the case of crimes committed with stolen weapons, the owner would have to demonstrate that they took all proper steps to secure the weapon against theft to not be liable.

Also (and I'm not sure if I mentioned this before), I would get rid of all "castle doctrine" laws.

 

[BSM1]

So the guns are only a symbolic defense against tyranny?

(...that kills tens of thousands a year)


I guess it's been long enough that people have forgotten what I proposed.

If I was in charge of the US right now, I'd require all firearms to be insured, for starters. Market forces would sort out a lot of the problems: safe and responsible gun owners would pay low rates. People who engage in risky activities would pay accordingly... or in most cases, wouldn't be able to afford being risky with a firearm.

For criminal weapons, I would make it so that the last legal owner of a weapon - starting with the mamufacturer and going on down - is liable for damages for the criminal use of their weapon unless they can demonstrate that they legally transferred it to someone else. In the case of crimes committed with stolen weapons, the owner would have to demonstrate that they took all proper steps to secure the weapon against theft to not be liable.

Also (and I'm not sure if I mentioned this before), I would get rid of all "castle doctrine" laws.

But you still haven't addressed the issue of approximately 300 million firearms already in existence in these United States. What about them?

 

[metis]

Seriously, how would you get rid of firearms already in the hands of those that would do you harm?

Do what the Brits and French did back after WWII when their crime rate was on the increase, namely make it up to 10 years in prison for possessing, selling, or buying a gun without it being registered, plus an additional penalty if the gun was used in the commission of a crime. By doing as such, their homicide and violent crime rate when down, whereas their homicide rates are both 8-9 times lower than that here in the States.

 

[Apex]

Do what the Brits and French did back after WWII when their crime rate was on the increase, namely make it up to 10 years in prison for possessing, selling, or buying a gun without it being registered, plus an additional penalty if the gun was used in the commission of a crime. By doing as such, their homicide and violent crime rate when down, whereas their homicide rates are both 8-9 times lower than that here in the States.

Their homicide rates are "8-9 times lower" than ours? You sure about that?

 

[allfoak]

Guns are for the purpose of protecting free people from a tyrannical government.

 

[BSM1]

Do what the Brits and French did back after WWII when their crime rate was on the increase, namely make it up to 10 years in prison for possessing, selling, or buying a gun without it being registered, plus an additional penalty if the gun was used in the commission of a crime. By doing as such, their homicide and violent crime rate when down, whereas their homicide rates are both 8-9 times lower than that here in the States.

Yeah, that'll put the fear of God in those wrascally thugs.

 

[ShivaFan]

It's hitting the wires now, those two ugly banana clip assault rifles used in the mass murders by the terrorists in the San Bernardino attacks were NOT purchased by the Pakistani terrorists in a gun store, Farook-a-ji got them "from another guy".

They are now looking for the "another guy".

I absolutely want to find out.

Can you imagine if the serials (if they are even still there) were traced back to guns Eric Holder/Obama were running over to the Mexican drug cartels as part of their plot to try and blame gun dealers in the US after a documentary proved the vast majority of the cartels guns do not come from the US but from China and other countries?

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

But you still haven't addressed the issue of approximately 300 million firearms already in existence in these United States. What about them?

Except I did. If you own a firearm, you should expect to pay for it proportially to the risk you create for others.

I have no idea how to make all those guns disappear, but at the very least, the people who freely choose to have them and use them should bear the costs to society of their choice.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Guns are for the purpose of protecting free people from a tyrannical government.

Guns are for the purpose of:
- hunting
- target shooting
- killing predators that might threaten your livestock (or you, if you're somewhere where this is a concern)
- risky home and personal defense strategies
- crime
- distracting foolish people from realizing that a tyrannical government is taking away their rights ("I don't need to worry about gerrymandering or campaign finance as long as I have an AR-15. I have my guns, so I must be free.")

 

[BSM1]

Except I did. If you own a firearm, you should expect to pay for it proportially to the risk you create for others.

I have no idea how to make all those guns disappear, but at the very least, the people who freely choose to have them and use them should bear the costs to society of their choice.

Well at least you're being honest about firearms already in play.

Guns are for the purpose of:
- hunting
- target shooting
- killing predators that might threaten your livestock (or you, if you're somewhere where this is a concern)
- risky home and personal defense strategies
- crime
- distracting foolish people from realizing that a tyrannical government is taking away their rights ("I don't need to worry about gerrymandering or campaign finance as long as I have an AR-15. I have my guns, so I must be free.")

You left out having your wife avoid being raped by a guy breaking into the house while she's there alone.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

You left out having your wife avoid being raped by a guy breaking into the house while she's there alone.

No, I didn't:

- risky home and personal defense strategies

 

[ShivaFan]

These terrorists were well funded. This stuff they had was not cheap. The guy at most made 50k after taxes, actually probably less and he had a lot of bills to pay. His salary doesn't go very far in the "valley". How did this guy get all this stuff, I think a lot more folks are involved.

 

[GoodbyeDave]

Obviously the huge number of guns in the US, military style ones rather than hunting weapons, is a problem, but it's not the whole problem. Switzerland is only just behind the US in the rate of gun ownership, since almost all adult males are army reservists, but the fire-arm related death rate per 100,000 is 6 in Switzerland and 11 in the USA. This suggests a culture of violence in the US.

On the other hand, the rate in the UK is less than 1. It may be that we are exceptionally peaceful, but the fact that we aren't armed to the teeth helps.

 

[Altfish]

Missouri State Rep. Stacey Newman, a Democrat, pre filled bill (HB 1397) that would force gun owners to go through the same process that women in her state are subjected to when they want to obtain an abortion.

“Since Missouri holds the rank as one of the strictest abortion regulation states in the country, it is logical we borrow similar restrictions to lower our horrific gun violence rates,” Newman said in a statement.

Among the proposed requirements for purchasers of weapons:

Be required to view a thirty minute video on fatal firearm injuries, as collected by urban medical professionals, law enforcement, and local prosecutors, and verify in writing he or she viewed the entire video in the presence of a licensed firearm dealer. Such video shall be approved by the department of public safety;

Verify in writing by a licensed physician that the purchaser has toured an emergency trauma center in the nearest qualified urban hospital on a weekend between the hours of 10:00 p.m. and 6:00 a.m. when gun violence victims are present.

Within seventy-two hours of a firearm purchase, the prospective firearm purchaser shall meet with at least two families who have been victims of violence involving a firearm and two local faith leaders who have officiated, within the past year, a funeral of a victim of violence involving a firearm who was under the age of eighteen.


Obviously it won't get anywhere.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Guns are for the purpose of:
- hunting
- target shooting
- killing predators that might threaten your livestock (or you, if you're somewhere where this is a concern)
- risky home and personal defense strategies
- crime
- distracting foolish people from realizing that a tyrannical government is taking away their rights ("I don't need to worry about gerrymandering or campaign finance as long as I have an AR-15. I have my guns, so I must be free.")

I forgot one purpose.

It kinda fits within "crime", but I think it deserves to stand on its own:

- religious genocide

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news.../?postshare=3871449370851397&tid=ss_fb-bottom

 

[MARCELLO]

As an european, I will never be able to understand the love of far westerns towards guns. You say that your population is sth like 300 millions and your government cannot protect you against violence,right,how come ? There is no police force in USA to call 911 ? Unless the bears do not attack you in rural areas why you need arms?

 

[Apex]

As an european, I will never be able to understand the love of far westerns towards guns. You say that your population is sth like 300 millions and your government cannot protect you against violence,right,how come ? There is no police force in USA to call 911 ? Unless the bears do not attack you in rural areas why you need arms?

http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/09/us/breast-feeding-mom-home-intruders-charlotte/

 

[Brickjectivity]

Missouri State Rep. Stacey Newman, a Democrat, pre filled bill (HB 1397) that would force gun owners to go through the same process that women in her state are subjected to when they want to obtain an abortion.

“Since Missouri holds the rank as one of the strictest abortion regulation states in the country, it is logical we borrow similar restrictions to lower our horrific gun violence rates,” Newman said in a statement.

Among the proposed requirements for purchasers of weapons:

Be required to view a thirty minute video on fatal firearm injuries, as collected by urban medical professionals, law enforcement, and local prosecutors, and verify in writing he or she viewed the entire video in the presence of a licensed firearm dealer. Such video shall be approved by the department of public safety;

Verify in writing by a licensed physician that the purchaser has toured an emergency trauma center in the nearest qualified urban hospital on a weekend between the hours of 10:00 p.m. and 6:00 a.m. when gun violence victims are present.

Within seventy-two hours of a firearm purchase, the prospective firearm purchaser shall meet with at least two families who have been victims of violence involving a firearm and two local faith leaders who have officiated, within the past year, a funeral of a victim of violence involving a firearm who was under the age of eighteen.


Obviously it won't get anywhere.

I think in that case that she is probably trying to make a point about the ridiculous health care laws rather than actually trying to restrict guns. Its an obviously ridiculous law, and I think she is trying to say that her state's health restrictions are equally ridiculous.

 

[Rick O'Shez]

Yeah, that'll put the fear of God in those wrascally thugs.

I'm sure there's a black market for guns in the UK, and also in the States. There are lot more guns in circulation in the States though, so they are much easier to get hold of.

 

[Rick O'Shez]

As an european, I will never be able to understand the love of far westerns towards guns.

I struggle to understand it too, I guess it's a cultural thing going back to the wild west or something.