Creationist Error #1: One can not believe Evolution and still remain devout in their faith.

[LuisDantas]

As in the link, it's 19%- which includes atheists, and scientists. We went over this with Luis from Brazil where believe in fundamentalist evolution is 8%

99.7% of paranormal investigators believe in ghosts, and they should know they're the experts right? Remember that scientists also believed in canals on Mars, static universes and global warming- don't make me quote Mark Twain again!

Guy, you should consider stopping hurting your credibility with claims of "fundamentalism evolution" as if it were a thang.

One could think you are speaking fantasies or something. It is certainly not like you were talking about anything known in reality...

 

[LuisDantas]

Still under atheist control is it not?

"Control"? I have been left out of the loop again?
They never invite me to the cool atheistic initiatives...

 

[Guy Threepwood]

Assuming that these stats are accurate, then we can say that at least 20% of Christians see no conflict between ToE and their spiritual beliefs; though I suspect that these statistics are quite low.

that stat includes non Christians of course. But trading studies is never very interesting, how do you personally reconcile God creating the universe... with life as we know it being an unintended consequence?

 

[Guy Threepwood]

"Control"? I have been left out of the loop again?
They never invite me to the cool atheistic initiatives...

Well it's pretty easy to get in.. getting out not so much!

 

[Bunyip]

As in the link, it's 19%- which includes atheists, and scientists. We went over this with Luis from Brazil where believe in fundamentalist evolution is 8%

You did the math wrong Guy, the figure for people who accept evolution was 50% (31% + 19%) . And I repeat - there is no such thing as fundamentalist evolution, it is a nonsense term.

99.7% of paranormal investigators believe in ghosts, and they should know they're the experts right? Remember that scientists also believed in canals on Mars, static universes and global warming- don't make me quote Mark Twain again!

So what? What was the point there? Atheism has no position on the subject of evolution.

 

[Bunyip]

Still under atheist control is it not?

Well no, North Korea is a theocracy.

 

[shawn001]

FYI

Evolution is not about chance, Darwinian natural selection is the antitheis of chance, that's the point! Yes, mutations are random due to copying errors, but survival traits are selected, then reproduced, and this has nothing to do with chance.

Here's Dawkins in a recent interview:

Q: You said in a recent speech that design was not the only alternative to chance. A lot of people think that evolution is all about random chance.

Dawkins: That's ludicrous. That's ridiculous. Mutation is random in the sense that it's not anticipatory of what's needed. Natural selection is anything but random. Natural selection is a guided process, guided not by any higher power, but simply by which genes survive and which genes don't survive. That's a non-random process. The animals that are best at whatever they do-hunting, flying, fishing, swimming, digging-whatever the species does, the individuals that are best at it are the ones that pass on the genes. It's because of this non-random process that lions are so good at hunting, antelopes so good at running away from lions, and fish are so good at swimming."

The Law of Evolution - Comments Page 1 - RichardDawkins.net

 

[Guy Threepwood]

You did the math wrong Guy, the figure for people who accept evolution was 50% (31% + 19%) . And I repeat - there is no such thing as fundamentalist evolution, it is a nonsense term. So what? What was the point there? Atheism has no position on the subject of evolution.

31% with God guiding, and 19% fundamentalist, extremist, purist- whatever label you prefer- the point being that that the latter is an overwhelmingly minority position- as is fundamentalist creationism, most of us take a more moderate position somewhere in the middle

to put it another way 73% were skeptical of evolution as taught in state institutions

 

[Bunyip]

31% with God guiding, and 19% fundamentalist, extremist, purist- whatever label you prefer- the point being that that the latter is an overwhelmingly minority position- as is fundamentalist creationism, most of us take a more moderate position somewhere in the middle

to put it another way 73% were skeptical of evolution as taught in state institutions

No, your math is terrible; Amongst scientists atheist and theist alike it is 99.7%. And according to your poll amongst the general public in the US 50%. The erm...'other way' you put it is a clear misrepresentation - that is not what they said.

 

[Guy Threepwood]

FYI

Evolution is not about chance, Darwinian natural selection is the antitheis of chance, that's the point! Yes, mutations are random due to copying errors, but survival traits are selected, then reproduced, and this has nothing to do with chance.

Here's Dawkins in a recent interview:

Q: You said in a recent speech that design was not the only alternative to chance. A lot of people think that evolution is all about random chance.

Dawkins: That's ludicrous. That's ridiculous. Mutation is random in the sense that it's not anticipatory of what's needed. Natural selection is anything but random. Natural selection is a guided process, guided not by any higher power, but simply by which genes survive and which genes don't survive. That's a non-random process. The animals that are best at whatever they do-hunting, flying, fishing, swimming, digging-whatever the species does, the individuals that are best at it are the ones that pass on the genes. It's because of this non-random process that lions are so good at hunting, antelopes so good at running away from lions, and fish are so good at swimming."

The Law of Evolution - Comments Page 1 - RichardDawkins.net

Certainly an interesting subjective speculation, such is the nature of science, a more objective unambiguous observation of his was: 'It's as if they [fossils] were just planted there, with no evolutionary history'

 

[shawn001]

There are differences in the belief of a God "Guiding the process of evolution" its a method God uses or complete intervention in every step, every mutation, every rock moving and involved in every detail.

 

[Guy Threepwood]

No, your math is terrible; Amongst scientists atheist and theist alike it is 99.7%. And according to your poll amongst the general public in the US 50%. The erm...'other way' you put it is a clear misrepresentation - that is not what they said.

it's a little confusing that they ordered the key and colors differently from the way the figures break down... but the 19% refers to the minority fundamentalist position- that 'God had no part in the process' as is taught. Most consider this cobblers.. that's all

 

[shawn001]

Certainly an interesting subjective speculation, such is the nature of science, a more objective unambiguous observation of his was: 'It's as if they [fossils] were just planted there, with no evolutionary history'

"'It's as if they [fossils] were just planted there, with no evolutionary history'"



WOW Guy, YOU DISHONESTLY CHERRY PICKED THAT QUOTE, AGAIN AFTER THE LAST TIME? REALLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

How about the whole quote in context, its so sneaky of you to play these kinds of games. I don't think God likes deceptions.

 

[Bunyip]

it's a little confusing that they ordered the key and colors differently from the way the figures break down... but the 19% refers to the minority fundamentalist position- that 'God had no part in the process' as is taught. Most consider this cobblers.. that's all

Ahhh...I see your mistake. You keep missing it whenever somebody tells you that atheism does not rule out God. The 'God guided evolution' people are not (as you clearly have misunderstood) saying that they do not believe in evolution. I hope that helps. They form the majority that accepts evolution. The third category of 'fundamentalist evolutionists' is an (sadly, no offence) incomprehensible invention of your own.

 

[Guy Threepwood]

There are differences in the belief of a God "Guiding the process of evolution" its a method God uses or complete intervention in every step, every mutation, every rock moving and involved in every detail.

I'd agree there, and most hold some ground in between- that being the point, God being somehow locked out of the design of life is a minority position

 

[NewGuyOnTheBlock]

As in the link, it's 19%- which includes atheists, and scientists. We went over this with Luis from Brazil where belief in fundamentalist evolution is 8%

99.7% of paranormal investigators believe in ghosts, and they should know they're the experts right? Remember that scientists also believed in canals on Mars, static universes and global warming- don't make me quote Mark Twain again!

And biologists long ago believed in "Spontaneous Generation", "Flat Earth" and "Geocentricity".

As is evidenced by both of our examples, popularity of an idea does not necessarily reflect the accuracy of an idea.

Do you believe that a christian can accept the theory of evolution and still be Christian?

 

[Guy Threepwood]

And biologists long ago believed in "Spontaneous Generation", "Flat Earth" and "Geocentricity".

As is evidenced by both of our examples, popularity of an idea does not necessarily reflect the accuracy of an idea.

Do you believe that a christian can accept the theory of evolution and still be Christian?

I'd say no, but again I'm defining evolution as the minority belief commonly taught in academia- a purely natural system operating with no intelligent design/ goal.

if we use the word in the same sense as all designs evolve; cars, phones etc, then sure- and that's reflected in the Gallup poll, but 'God guided evolution' is an oxymoron in large segments of academia

 

[Bunyip]

I'd say no, but again I'm defining evolution as the minority belief commonly taught in academia- a purely natural system operating with no intelligent design/ goal.

if we use the word in the same sense as all designs evolve; cars, phones etc, then sure

Oh well again it is a simple error on your part. Within academia it is 99.7% support. Hope that clears it up.

 

[Guy Threepwood]

Oh well again it is a simple error on your part. Within academia it is 99.7% support. Hope that clears it up.

oh, must be true then!

 

[Guy Threepwood]

"'It's as if they [fossils] were just planted there, with no evolutionary history'"



WOW Guy, YOU DISHONESTLY CHERRY PICKED THAT QUOTE, AGAIN AFTER THE LAST TIME? REALLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

How about the whole quote in context, its so sneaky of you to play these kinds of games. I don't think God likes deceptions.

Maybe he'll retract it if he finds the fossils?