Creationist - what is your understanding of TOE?

[David M]

Thanks for that explaination. How did language evolve, in particular all the different dialects in the world, and why did Evolution in it's wisdom see fit to evolve so many? And why over time do they devolve in complexity rather than evolve?

Do you have any evidence that modern languages devolved in complexity?

Also what about carbon 14 dating? The inventor, Professor W.F Libby admitted: 1946 "It is noteworthy that the earliest astronomical fix is at 4000 years ago, that all other older dates have errors, and that these are more or less cumulative with time before 4000 years ago. (Source "The Genisis Flood: pp 116-126)

Once calibrated the Carbon-14 dates match up with these astrological fixes. So no problem with the dating there.

 

[tumbleweed41]

How did language evolve, in particular all the different dialects in the world,

Well, you see, there was this king who wanted to build a Tower to Heaven....
:sarcastic

 

[McBell]

Well, you see, there was this king who wanted to build a Tower to Heaven....
:sarcastic

It is most interesting to bring that up when Christians talk about how god is NOT the author of confusion.

But then, that is for a different thread....

 

[Autodidact]

The fact that its even "a tiny little piece" is the tiny little piece, which links to the other huge piece that you call "evolution" I don't and cant possibly agree with. I call that the reproductive system so do most scientists, which is God given not chaos or chance given, nor evolved.

The one thing I really appreciate about a tiny little piece of your last post is that you where honest. Get that man a cigar. :yes:

Tell me,if you will, how did human languages evolve. I believe the tower of Babel explaination. How do you explain this "Scientifically."

I'll be happy to answer all of your questions after you answer mine, which is also the OP. Thanks.

 

[Autodidact]

I believe you also looking for evidence. I can only provide evidence that proves you're wasting your time looking.

If you are not interested in the OP, why are you in this thread?

Also, why are creationists often so rude and evasive?

Do you think the question is not a reasonable one?

 

[Autodidact]

Does this mean that we can expect to see the human thumb increase in dexterity in a hundred million years due to the invention of game boy, playstation and X box? And the Human foot to perhaps evolve into the shape of Nike training shoe in the very near future or will that be 10 million years in the making, sheeesh its just so darned painfully slow - who is this cosmic snail of a god the pantheist believe in. My take is he's on drugs, they've made him very lethargic.

This would be what we mean by a misunderstanding of what ToE is. That's why we're asking what you think it says. Your posts indicate that you do not grasp it.

 

[Autodidact]

The Christian faith is all factual. A professing Christian who believes in certain doctrines of Evolution has already been blinded by propaganda. The theory of Evolution is intirely faith based (Even Dawkins admits this publically).

cite?

 

[LuisDantas]

Don't hold your breath, Autodidact. Or maybe expect a wildly out-of-context citation.

 

[Dirty Penguin]

Here's you sign.....


On Day Six...Man was made. In that verse the word 'man' is not a singular item. It is a proper noun used by people of that time, to refer to all men as a whole...'mankind'. (homo sapiens was termed centuries later).
If the word 'mankind' had been used...we would not be having this discussion now.
Man was made..male and female..and turned loose on the earth...to multiply...and subdue it. There are no names...no restrictions...no law...no boundaries.

On Day Seven...nothing more is created. God rests.

Chapter Two, is actually Day Eight.
The book doesn't say so.
But it should not have been needed to say so. It's obvious.
The Six Days of Creation are done. Day Seven...done.
What happens in Chapter Two is a separate event altogether.

Apparently...(and yes I can do this)...God is not yet...satisfied.
So He takes a man...which He made out of dust...and places Him into ideal living conditions.
The Man develops well...more so than his wandering counterparts...but his situation is confined solitude.
So he is given anesthesia, and his rib is taken. That's surgery.
The rib is increased to full stature. That's cloning.

That the clone will be female, is done in process. Genetic engineering.
Adam was given his twin sister for a bride.
She looked like him....but not quite....no navel.

All of this is manipulation...not the creative process.
That Adam was made of dust...does not make him unique.
What makes him unique...he is the first chosen Son of God.
YOU are also made of dust.
From the moment of conception your mother ate for two.
Everything she ate, came up from the ground and became you.
Back to the ground you will go.

The above was taken from a thread I wrote back in 09.....

Intellectually I find it odd....
Give Man a story...and he will believe it.
Tell a man how it becomes possible...he stops believing.

Two points need to be addressed then. "IF" genetic material was taken from Adam to make a woman then "How" considering mtDNA is only passed from females.

"IF" two beings were made, Man first then the women from his genetic material (which seems impossible unless you can explain), then how do we get the many, many races of people on the planet today?

 

[Big_TJ]

Two points need to be addressed then. "IF" genetic material was taken from Adam to make a woman then "How" considering mtDNA is only passed from females.

"IF" two beings were made, Man first then the women from his genetic material (which seems impossible unless you can explain), then how do we get the many, many races of people on the planet today?

Can you guys start a thread if you wish to discuss Genesis 1?

Bereanz, I am not quite sure I got your understanding of ToE, which is the intent of this thread. Can you kindly state clearly what is your understanding of ToE. Our experience on this forum suggests that several questions that some person have stems from THEIR understanding of ToE, so I would really like to know what you understand of how the theory works.

Thank you.

 

[Big_TJ]

Just a time check: so, at my last count, we have several 'creationist' that gives us some idea of what they understand of ToE but none seem to understand the theory. While this is not surprising, I find it VERY suprizing that their understanding of evolution is NOT EVEN CLOSE to what the basic tenet of evolution really is. Is my count correct?

 

[Bereanz]

Here's you sign.....



Chapter Two, is actually Day Eight.
The book doesn't say so.
But it should not have been needed to say so. It's obvious.
The Six Days of Creation are done. Day Seven...done.
What happens in Chapter Two is a separate event altogether.
.

Absolute rubbish me old China. The Bible is to be read like any other book, from start to finish. It is assumed that one has read and understood the preceeding chapters by the time the reader has arrived at the following chapters.

 

[Bereanz]

Do you have any evidence that modern languages devolved in complexity?



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What a rediculous question. But it's useful for exposing you're complete ignorance on the subject of the credulous theories you believe in.

Electro Carbon dating (as far back as it remains accurate) is an absolute wonder of scientfic evidence that aligns perectly with the Biblical account.

 

[Bereanz]

Well, you see, there was this king who wanted to build a Tower to Heaven....
:sarcastic

Pathetic response. But I understand, You have no idea.

 

[Bereanz]

I'll be happy to answer all of your questions after you answer mine, which is also the OP. Thanks.

Adaption within a species is observed and tested scientific fact. EVOLUTION FACT
Adaption from one species into another species is not Observed and tested scientfic fact. EVOLUTION MYTH.

Right! That answers the OP.

SO! Now answer my questions please, without pathetic eye rolling inanity, like the other children in here, would be nice because I've just about done my dash in this trash litterd sandpit.

 

[Bereanz]

This would be what we mean by a misunderstanding of what ToE is. That's why we're asking what you think it says. Your posts indicate that you do not grasp it.

Get real mate. The analogy I posed is an example of theorized adaption within a species. A rediculous one yes, but a theory all the same. And your saying I'm rude. This is getting rediculous.

Bro, you dont need to be very cleaver to understand TOE or to separate the fact from the myth, so stop blowing smoke up each others backsides. You have all demonstrated to me at least, to be average to below average intelligence. With minimal to non existant levels of wit and humour or pleasantness. Rudeness, jeering, cajoling, harrassing, tagg team, pack attack beaviour, however, is off the charts!

 

[Autodidact]

Adaption within a species is observed and tested scientific fact. EVOLUTION FACT
Adaption from one species into another species is not Observed and tested scientfic fact. EVOLUTION MYTH.

So if I show you an instance of a new species coming into existence, will you change your position?

Right that answer the OP.

No, you haven't. What we're looking for is something like:

"According to ToE,....?" Get it?

SO now answer my questions please, without pathetic eye rolling inanity, like the other children in here, would be nice because I've just about done my dash in this trash litterd sandpit.

I will be happy to, as soon as you respond to the OP and my questions.

I would also appreciate it if you would cut back on the irrelevant personal insults. Thanks.

 

[Autodidact]

Get real mate. The analogy I posed is an example of theorized adaption within a species. A rediculous one yes, but a theory all the same. And your saying I'm rude. This is getting rediculous.

Bro, you dont need to be very cleaver to understand TOE or to separate the fact from the myth, so stop blowing smoke up each others backsides. You have all demonstrated to me at least, to be average to below average intelligence. With minimal to non existant levels of wit and humour or pleasantness. Rudeness, jeering, cajoling, harrassing, tagg team, pack attack beaviour, however, is off the charts!

In that case you shouldn't have any trouble explaining it to us. I can't imagine why you are so hesitant.

btw, you have been reported to the mods. I highly recommend you dial down the insults.

 

[Bereanz]

It is most interesting to bring that up when Christians talk about how god is NOT the author of confusion.

But then, that is for a different thread....

Most interesting that you ignore the fact the different languges,which where indeed brought about in an instant, you then descend to attacking the credibility and reliabilty if of the character of the God you refuse to believe exisits all the while knowing it's off topic and admitting it.

As I am constantly being remonstrated to stick the thread topic, and answer your inane question with EVIDENCE that is ignored I suggest you do the same, or don't be expecting me to.

 

[Bereanz]

In that case you shouldn't have any trouble explaining it to us. I can't imagine why you are so hesitant.

btw, you have been reported to the mods. I highly recommend you dial down the insults.

Btw I have reported several people to the mods in the course of my sojurn here. one "Christian" Staff member in this thread said he likes to "pee" on creationists!!
Are you going to answer my questions or go wee wee wee to the moderators when it's becoming clear that you dont have an "evolved" leg to stand on??