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Creationist - what is your understanding of TOE?
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Thief
Rogue Theologian
Here's your sign.....and as always ...I don't really care your retort.....
Let's take a somewhat tighter focus on this topic.
Genesis. Real quick...here is the list in Chapter One.
Day One...Light
Day Two... Heaven
Day Three...everything that is green and bears seed.
Day Four...the seasons are set into order....the sun, moon, and stars
Day Five...everything that swims or flies.
Day Six...everything that walks...including Man
Obviously, there are some discussions to make about which items are out of order...somethings need be in position before others.
But, we can do that portion later. For now, the list continues.
Day Seven...all is created...God rests...no more will be created.
Chapter Two.
God takes a man and places him into ideal living conditions.
His life is greatly extended, as the conditions allow it to be so.
Nothing will harm him. He is sheltered.
This isolated living is terminal.
Without a mate, the man is doomed to a solitary life.
A deep sleep is administered.
A rib is removed.
The rib is increased to full stature as a woman.
Evolution...sure...Day Six....
Manipulation...sure...Chapter Two.
God's hand in the mix?...sure....right from the beginning.
outhouse
Atheistically
ROFLOL :slap:
of course you dont LOL because you have to come up with imaginitive fables and try and pass that ancient stuff off as non fiction.
ya i know, i know, the earth is 6000 years old man walked with dinosaurs
why do you bring a known myth into the mix?
Man evolved there is no debate about this, only those in denial due to their religious beliefs.
How do you explain this??? none of this is in your precious genesis myth
of course you dont LOL because you have to come up with imaginitive fables and try and pass that ancient stuff off as non fiction.
ya i know, i know, the earth is 6000 years old man walked with dinosaurs
why do you bring a known myth into the mix?
Man evolved there is no debate about this, only those in denial due to their religious beliefs.
How do you explain this??? none of this is in your precious genesis myth
outhouse
Atheistically
the bible denys evolution
so your discounting scripture?? or just twisting interpretation to meet your own personal needs???? you just admit man evolved that he was not created as the bible states he was.
what did god do???
McBell
Unbound
Yet you spend all your time avoiding his questions like the plague?
Interesting how you claim he is in denial when it is YOU who refuses to answer questions.
Dirty Penguin
Master Of Ceremony
Thief
Rogue Theologian
The bible dose not deny evolution or God......you do.
Thief
Rogue Theologian
Nay....
God set all things in motion.
The earth churns it's chemistry because of Him.
Something was bound to come of it.
It just took a long time....evolution
Then there's Day Six....manipulation.
Thief
Rogue Theologian
Nay again....
RitalinO.D.
Well-Known Member
The Bible preaches creationism, which is in direct contradiction to evolution. So yes, in a way the bible does deny evolution.
Not to mention in the entire bible, evolution is not mentioned a single time, nor anything closely resembling evolution.
Dirty Penguin
Master Of Ceremony
This claim is unfounded and is not, and as you admit, can not be backed by any empirical evidence thus the claim itself is moot.
What evidence do you have that your god intervened in his own creation to make changes considering your own bible says....
Gen 1:31
And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And there was evening and there was morning, the sixth day.
Everything at this point was already "made" and there is no more information from chapter one to chapter 2 (a completely new creation story) that your god set forth the evolution of species.
Another issue is in chapter 2 itself. When man is created (part deux) is created fully formed so we can't gather any information here that your god set forth evolution. What is more interesting is the "creation" of woman from the genetic material of man. Can you explain, scientifically, how such a thing is possible?
painted wolf
Grey Muzzle
Theifs views are not out of line with other "Theistic Creationists".... would you guys also grill Ken Miller?
Or myself (though I use Theistic Creationist rather loosely for myself)?
wa:do
Or myself (though I use Theistic Creationist rather loosely for myself)?
wa:do
Gunfingers
Happiness Incarnate
If I was hungry enough. How would you describe your body-fat content? I'm on a diet.
painted wolf
Grey Muzzle
RitalinO.D.
Well-Known Member
I am totally not diet-friendly. I'm full of Trans-fats.
wa:do
As long as you're low on carbs, it's all good.
outhouse
Atheistically
yes I would.
you cant have it both ways.
To pull theistic creation out of the bible you have to reach far and wide out of its pages to make the material fly.
fact is the material doesnt fly, it sinks.
example
We know ancient hebrews created god in my opinion
the bible states
he created the stars in 1 day we know that is a lie
he created man in 1 day we know that is a lie
he created all the plants in a day another lie
he created woman from a rib is a lie
he created animals in 1 day is another lie
the same language before the tower of babel is a lie
he created the global flood is lie
this is the tip of the iceberg of all the lies the bible tells. The TIP
so with all those blatant lies about things god created YOU with a straight face are going to tell me you think this myth created the whole universe???? :slap:
you lie to your friends and ill lie to mine but lets not lie to each other because of a 3000 year old sheep herders myth/guide for primitive people.
these primitive poeple didnt know the first thing about evolution and they used previous creation myths to add to their religion because everybody elses religious myths had creators. They could not have a religion without a full story like the rest of the myths before them.
painted wolf
Grey Muzzle
If you can't understand the meaning of a creation myth from a cultural and religious standpoint than I'm sorry, but it's not my fault.
I can't spoon feed you abstract thinking any more than I can Newhope. You are both literalists: at opposite ends of the spectrum.
God predates the Hebrews... religious thinking predates our species.
wa:do
I can't spoon feed you abstract thinking any more than I can Newhope. You are both literalists: at opposite ends of the spectrum.
God predates the Hebrews... religious thinking predates our species.
wa:do