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Creationists: How do you test for "truth"?

shunyadragon

shunyadragon

shunyadragon
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David T said:
The problem is with that it's totally subjective. I mean I have shown the Monty python "burn the witch" scene from in search of the Holy Grail. Camaflauge is a fascinating topic. What is death what is camaflauge? Death is the great blind spot of the intellect that the intellect can't penetrate nor will it ever penetrate because it is its blind spot. The intellect inverts reality into deconstruction reconstruction.

A bird in a tree, only understands order. It will starve to death and become extinct otherwise. It's existence depends on seeing as it does. As it scans the branches, everything is in perfect order. What it is looking for us anything out of place out of order. The moment it sees random/chaos in scientific terms, or miracle in religious terms, it pouches and eats. It kills that which steps out from order. A stick bugs existence is totally dependent on being aligned to never separate from the order around it or it dies. If all the stick bugs suddenly started to fall out of alignment with its surroundings they would all become extinct as a species. So alignment with nature is critical for the survival of the species. That's a way way deeper thing than science and independent of science today itself. For science if itself was reality truth would be saying today nature alive, or extinction absolute. It's really all the noatic story really is from the ancient ancient times!!! Historical memory and I remember and I say nature alive or extinction to the intellect. The intellect has declared war on nature and guess who is going to lose that war? The intellect..

I love music. Good for breaking up the nonsense. You play? I suck but have returned one guitar open e learning American root music. May make a diddly bow and git me a cigar box geatar as well. I actually have a nice traveler guitar, and an electric blonde maple archtop Gibson knock off of chuck berry's. Very cool. Music is a great way of con etching to historical memory we used to play music communally we now consume music communally. I say play,!!!! Nice thing about music no believers, no agnostics no non believers allowed while playing!!! Only when the music stops does that creep creep in l!!!!! Like some slinking devil the shadows. Ha. Nice bit on very ancient Irish music. What's your aboriginalists history? Mine is Irish, native American with the defective English gene in there somewhere. Mostly Irish though. As oldsters we are given the responsibility to say nature alive let's play some music and do art kiddies. That I think is wisdom. As best as I know it. Not tv culture blah de blah blah.

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Ramble . . . ramble . . . ramble disconnect. Different reality,
 
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QuestioningMind

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Kemosloby said:
By the word of God. How do you have the "Word of God" without a God? In the word of God, it's said God created it and God has no reason to lie.
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My oh my! Don't you get DIZZY from such circular reasoning? LOL

How can you have a book about Harry Potter without an actual Harry Potter? The fact that there's a BOOK about Harry Potter MUST mean that there is a REAL Harry Potter!

Look at me! I just proved that Harry Potter is REAL!

Seriously, you can't really be that ignorant, can you? So if I write a book and in the book I claim that this book is the Word of God and that I am GOD and then claim that GOD can't lie... this would be EVIDENCE to you that I actually am GOD? After all, how can I have this Word of God without a God? AND this Word of God SPECIFICALLY says that I am God AND that as God I am incapable of lying. I guess you HAVE to believe my claims now, don't you?
 
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Kemosloby

Kemosloby

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QuestioningMind said:
My oh my! Don't you get DIZZY from such circular reasoning? LOL

How can you have a book about Harry Potter without an actual Harry Potter? The fact that there's a BOOK about Harry Potter MUST mean that there is a REAL Harry Potter!

Look at me! I just proved that Harry Potter is REAL!

Seriously, you can't really be that ignorant, can you? So if I write a book and in the book I claim that this book is the Word of God and that I am GOD and then claim that GOD can't lie... this would be EVIDENCE to you that I actually am GOD? After all, how can I have this Word of God with a God? AND this Word of God SPECIFICALLY says that I am God AND that as God I am incapable of lying. I guess you HAVE to believe my claims now, don't you?
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Let me nail you to a cross till you die, if you get back up I will believe you.
 
Polymath257

Polymath257

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Kemosloby said:
Let me nail you to a cross till you die, if you get back up I will believe you.
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How about if he claims his teacher did exactly that? Would you him then?

And since he has proven that Harry Potter is real, do you now believe in Voldemort? You know, the guy that learned how to not die if his horcruxes are not destroyed?

This is a claim in a book. That book was written by men. The question is whether you believe those men. Not just that they are honestly telling you their opinions, but that their opinions are correct. One of their opinions was that they were writing something that a deity would agree with, or that was inspired by such a deity. You have to show why *anyone* should accept what these men wrote as truth as opposed to their mistaken opinions.
 
ChristineM

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
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Kemosloby said:
Since the bible is written by the creator who was there to see and know how creation happened, To say it didn't happen that way, The burden of proof is on the humans. Since they were not eye witnesses they would need to have some other sort of proof. Proof which they cannot possibly get since God has miraculous powers. Even if science could prove creation happened in some mundane way, it would still be possible it happened in a miraculous way. Which leaves God 2 man 0.
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Interesting, never have i seen in the bible a Gospel according to god. What is gods alias? Knowing this could shed a whole new light on a bronze age book.
 
Kemosloby

Kemosloby

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ChristineM said:
Interesting, never have i seen in the bible a Gospel according to god. What is gods alias? Knowing this could shed a whole new light on a bronze age book.
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None of them say "a Gospel", they all say "the gospel" because there is one message, the word of God, has many messengers.
 
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QuestioningMind

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Kemosloby said:
Let me nail you to a cross till you die, if you get back up I will believe you.
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But I wrote about how I did that in my BOOK. You know, the one that's the Word of God. We KNOW that it's the Word of God because it's says so in the BOOK. And I'm God - the BOOK says so - and I CAN'T lie - the BOOK says so - so now you have no CHOICE but to accept that I AM God and that I DID rise from the dead after being nailed to a cross. It's all in my BOOK. The one that says it's the infallible Word of God. Case closed.
 
Kemosloby

Kemosloby

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QuestioningMind said:
But I wrote about how I did that in my BOOK. You know, the one that's the Word of God. We KNOW that it's the Word of God because it's says so in the BOOK. And I'm God - the BOOK says so - and I CAN'T lie - the BOOK says so - so now you have no CHOICE but to accept that I AM God and that I DID rise from the dead after being nailed to a cross. It's all in my BOOK. The one that says it's the infallible Word of God. Case closed.
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You need more Jews.
 
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QuestioningMind

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Kemosloby said:
You need more Jews.
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Silly mortal! I'm GOD! I have PRECISELY the number of Jews that I need. I have PROVEN that I'm God, because I have a BOOK that SAYS so! I've used the exact same infallible logic that you used to prove that the bible is the Word of God, so you have no choice but to accept me as your God from now on. So you had better start worshiping Me... if you've read My BOOK, you KNOW that I insist on LOTS of worship. It's true, because I can't lie. It's all in My BOOK.
 
ChristineM

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
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Kemosloby said:
Your as numb as that skull.
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Still nothing then but too cowardly to be honest, instead you fall into that age old debating method employed by the hard of thinking... Ad hominem.

When you are capable of comprehending what my avatar is then you will have learned something important to the human race. Don't worry though, I'll not hold my breath while you figure it out.
 
Kemosloby

Kemosloby

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Subduction Zone said:
You missed his point.

Why believe the resurrection story at all?
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His point is too lame to respond to.

The resurrection is everything, resurrection is the reason. "If there is no resurrection our preaching is useless and so is your faith" if there is no resurrection there's no point in behaving, "eat and drink for tomorrow we die"
 
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