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Creationists, please provide evidence

Autodidact

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Yove never seen evolution of a species within a species? Then stop wasting my time, especialy since your evidence is evidence of that very same thing.
It would be a contradiction in terms, unless you mean a subspecies?

By the way, I've never seen evolution of a species into an intirely different species, have you? If so where I can score some of what you've been taking?
No, but I have read about it. See the references I gave you.
 

Tristesse

Well-Known Member
I agree Science is not about God. Yes I do know what science is about. It's about variafiable tested observed results beyond a shadow of doubt before it can be proven to be true and accurate. Its not a best guess, join the dots excercise. Scientists are allowed to theorize that something might be true while they are in the process of conducting their research, thats as far as it goes. They are allowed to say "we believe" etc etc. But they can not says THIS IS PROVEN FACT, until it has been. For the most part a lot of what you see, to be calling "science" belongs in the field of philosophy, and I suppose you can argue that is science as well.

Science means Knowldege, thats all!! Some thing that is known to be true. It's conducted by normal human beings, not space men or giant minds, untouvahble or unreachable by mere mortals. Scientist are not gods, you seem to be making them so. That's cultish! Not science

The fact that most scientists "believe" in evolution does not make it scientific.

Actually, science is about testable explanations about the universe. Science is not just about observation, in fact, observation is one of the weakest forms of evidence for science and scientists. What the application of science tries to evaluate is, does this explanation make testable predictions, and what would we expect if this explanation were accurate.

Do you think biology is science?
 

Autodidact

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I agree Science is not about God. Yes I do know what science is about. It's about variafiable tested observed results beyond a shadow of doubt before it can be proven to be true and accurate.
No, it's not. That's math.

Unlike a mathematical proof, a scientific theory is empirical, and is always open to falsification if new evidence is presented. That is, no theory is ever considered strictly certain as science works under a fallibilistic view. Instead, science is proud to make predictions with great probability, bearing in mind that the most likely event is not always what actually happens.
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Its not a best guess, join the dots excercise.
Actually, that's exactly what it is.
Scientists are allowed to theorize that something might be true while they are in the process of conducting their research, thats as far as it goes. They are allowed to say "we believe" etc etc. But they can not says THIS IS PROVEN FACT, until it has been.
Science is not about proof. It's about evidence.
For the most part a lot of what you see, to be calling "science" belongs in the field of philosophy, and I suppose you can argue that is science as well.
According to you, or according to scientists?

Science means Knowldege, thats all!! Some thing that is known to be true. It's conducted by normal human beings, not space men or giant minds, untouvahble or unreachable by mere mortals. Scientist are not gods, you seem to be making them so. That's cultish! Not science
Science is a method.

The fact that most scientists "believe" in evolution does not make it scientific.
Scientists don't "believe in" evolution. They accept it as a theory which has been well-supported by the evidence. It is scientific because it is derived from the scientific method.
 

Bereanz

Active Member
The fact that it follows the scientific method makes it scientific. What's not scientific is ignoring logic and evidence for superstition's sake.
Why do all you guys want to preach to me about what science is and the scientific method as if it's some secret club that only part humans and part aliens know about it.

If you want to preach the scientific methdod, then dam well stick to it, try applying it to your spaced out religious theories that are not scientifically proven!! Athiest General Richard Dawkins AKA "the princess of dawkness", when pressed, tells us we got here by DNA placed on the earth by a highly evolved Darwinian alien species, who, by now, have most likely rendered them, exitinct? Mork calling Orson, come in Orson.

WISE UP! I really do wish we could move past this foolishness. One leaves and another clown arrives banging the same footling drum. Are you guys in the same tagg team/cheer leader club by any chance?
 

The_Evelyonian

Old-School Member
Athiest General Richard Dawkins AKA "the princess of dawkness", when pressed, tells us we got here by DNA placed on the earth by a highly evolved Darwinian alien species, who, by now, have most likely rendered them, exitinct? Mork calling Orson, come in Orson.

lol, you've been watching Expelled, haven't you?
 

Bereanz

Active Member
No, it's not. That's math.

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Actually, that's exactly what it is. Science is not about proof. It's about evidence. According to you, or according to scientists?

Science is a method.

Scientists don't "believe in" evolution. They accept it as a theory which has been well-supported by the evidence. It is scientific because it is derived from the scientific method.

"Science" has yet to agree on this theory. It's not only religious people who dont accept evolution as fact, because the scientific facts are not conclusive. Your science is a method of deceit. My science is proven fact.
 

Tristesse

Well-Known Member
"Science" has yet to agree on this theory. It's not only religious people who dont accept evolution as fact, because the scientific facts are not conclusive. Your science is a method of deceit. My science is proven fact.

Choose your words carefully, because most religious people, or at least a great number of them do accept evolution, because it is a fact. Change over time is a fact. And the passing on of genes is all evolution is about.
 

Tristesse

Well-Known Member
Bollocks. The rest is metaphysic and philosophy. You get to have your dope cake and eating it too fella!

Ok, we've only known about the former planet pluto for about 80 years or so, but it takes pluto about 200 years to orbit the sun. We've never observed it make a full rotation. Does this mean that any scientist who asserts that pluto orbits the sun is not relying on science to make that statement?
 

Autodidact

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Why do all you guys want to preach to me about what science is and the scientific method as if it's some secret club that only part humans and part aliens know about it.
It's not a secret club; anyone can do it. But it is a method, and it works, and you need to follow it, if you want to do science.

The reason we're "preaching" to you is that you don't seem to understand it. In the same way, I suspect that you don't understand evolution, which is why you are so reluctant to state your "understanding" of it. If you do so, we will then be able to see--and show you--that it's wrong.

If you want to preach the scientific methdod, then dam well stick to it, try applying it to your spaced out religious theories that are not scientifically proven!! Athiest General Richard Dawkins AKA "the princess of dawkness", when pressed, tells us we got here by DNA placed on the earth by a highly evolved Darwinian alien species, who, by now, have most likely rendered them, exitinct? Mork calling Orson, come in Orson.
I call bull. cite?

WISE UP! I really do wish we could move past this foolishness. One leaves and another clown arrives banging the same footling drum. Are you guys in the same tagg team/cheer leader club by any chance?
No, but one neat thing about using the scientific method is that it allows scientists to reach consensus. We simply share that scientific consensus.
 

The_Evelyonian

Old-School Member
never heard of it!!!!!!!!!

Wow, seriously. Hmm, well that's where the whole Dawkins alien nonsense started. Figured you'd probably picked it up there.

Anyway, Dawkins was discussing Directed Panspermia when he mentioned the idea of aliens seeding life on earth. He never stated that he believed it, simply that it was one of numerous possibilities.

He was actually bending over backwards to make the point that, even if life was intelligently designed, the designer would still have to come from somewhere. It couldn't simply "pop" into existence. His point was that, even if aliens seeded life on earth, those aliens would still have to be the product of some ultimately explicable process, perhaps not unlike Darwinian evolution.
 

Bereanz

Active Member
Ok, we've only known about the former planet pluto for about 80 years or so, but it takes pluto about 200 years to orbit the sun. We've never observed it make a full rotation. Does this mean that any scientist who asserts that pluto orbits the sun is not relying on science to make that statement?
I heard recently pluto was deemed not to be a planet?

We haven't observed God creating the world out of nothing, does this mean it didnt happen?
 

Autodidact

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Why do all you guys want to preach to me about what science is and the scientific method as if it's some secret club that only part humans and part aliens know about it.

If you want to preach the scientific methdod, then dam well stick to it, try applying it to your spaced out religious theories that are not scientifically proven!! Athiest General Richard Dawkins AKA "the princess of dawkness", when pressed, tells us we got here by DNA placed on the earth by a highly evolved Darwinian alien species, who, by now, have most likely rendered them, exitinct? Mork calling Orson, come in Orson.

WISE UP! I really do wish we could move past this foolishness. One leaves and another clown arrives banging the same footling drum. Are you guys in the same tagg team/cheer leader club by any chance?

"Science" has yet to agree on this theory. It's not only religious people who dont accept evolution as fact, because the scientific facts are not conclusive. Your science is a method of deceit. My science is proven fact.

You're mistaken. The ToE is the consensus, accepted, mainstream theory within Biology. Pick up any basic Biology textbook and it will begin with it. Over 99% of Biologists accept it, both religious and non-religious. [*waits for more goalpast moving*] You don't have any science. Science does not support your position.

You certainly have the right to reject science, but rejecting it and claiming it at the same time is simply dishonest.
 
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