Cross or Upright Stake

[cataway]

Okay, so how do you correct the superstition and fear in the Bible?

many different bible translations have tried doing that , yet all to often religious belief gets in the way of truth. bibles that use LORD (note capital letters) indicates the word/name was removed to hide the name that was originally there . its a well known fact, yet it seems you do not know that.

 

[nPeace]

Yes, indeed. There is a very interesting discussion among experts about this instrument of torture, and the likelihood exists that it was not a crucifix as many think of it, but rather an upright pole. The Imperial Bible-Dictionary acknowledges this, explaining that the Greek word for cross, (stauros) properly signified a stake or upright pole. In fact, "Even amongst the Romans the crux (from which our cross is derived) appears to have been originally an upright pole.”—Edited by P. Fairbairn (London, 1874), Vol. I, p. 376.

The word became common place for crosses, as adjustments were made to the implement.
The Romans went from using impalement, to other horrors... perhaps as leadership changed hands.
They used crosses in various positions. So, as the instrument evolved, the name remained in place, because it was viewed as an instrument for crucifixion.

 

[Subduction Zone]

many different bible translations have tried doing that , yet all to often religious belief gets in the way of truth. bibles that use LORD (note capital letters) indicates the word/name was removed to hide the name that was originally there . its a well known fact, yet it seems you do not know that.

No, it is merely an attempt to be more accurate. There is no need for a secret conspiracy.

Meanwhile you never answered my question about how can they correct the endless errors in the Bible?

EDIT: Meanwhile this is a useful source. You can use Bible Hub to find all sorts of translations of any verse in the Bible. You will see LORD, JEHOVAH, Lord, Jehovah, and Yahweh. I cannot remember if they had Yahweh in all caps:

Psalm 83:18 - Do Not Be Still, O God

May they know that You alone, whose name is the LORD, are Most High over all the earth.

biblehub.com

Click on the other resources for even more.

 

[nPeace]

I don't honor and respect just any cross. Only the cross on which Jesus died, because of what it represents to me.

Why do you honor and respect the instrument of death? Is honoring and respecting, the one who provided the gift of the sacrifice, as well as the one who willingly sacrificed his life, not enough?

 

[Kathryn]

Why do you honor and respect the instrument of death? Is honoring and respecting, the one who provided the gift of the sacrifice, as well as the one who willingly sacrificed his life, not enough?

I honor anything that Man touched. And I honor the Man Himself.

Heck, we've got a chair in the store I work in that Patrick Mahomes sat in and you'd think it was the Holy Grail. LOL

 

[nPeace]

I honor anything that Man touched. And I honor the Man Himself.

Heck, we've got a chair in the store I work in that Patrick Mahomes sat in and you'd think it was the Holy Grail. LOL

 

[Subduction Zone]

I honor anything that Man touched. And I honor the Man Himself.

Heck, we've got a chair in the store I work in that Patrick Mahomes sat in and you'd think it was the Holy Grail. LOL

You sat in a cup? Doesn't sound very comfortable.

 

[Kenny]

are trees round or square ?

If you make a rectangular table... it is a rectangle.

 

[Jimmy]

Neither. He died of old age in a small town somewhere in the world.

 

[Kenny]

No, it is merely an attempt to be more accurate. There is no need for a secret conspiracy.

Rare Physical Evidence of Roman Crucifixion Found in Britain

Researchers discovered the skeleton of a man with a nail hammered through his heel bone

www.smithsonianmag.com

I think, potentially, both types were actually used.

 

[YoursTrue]

very well i went online to find it for you "
KJV
That men may know that thou, whose name alone is Jehovah, art the most high over all the earth."
the JW's had nothing to do with the KJV being created and yet there is the name Jehovah . yes its found in other bibles . many others replace it with LORD not lord. but you are smart ,you likely already know that . right?

I know there are famous songs in classical music and hymns using the name Jehovah. One of them, in fact, was sung at the National Cathedral in Washington, D.C. after the 9/11 bombing of the World Trade Center. A most beautiful song composed many years ago taken from the 23rd Psalm, sung before the President and others at the service.

A gorgeous song.

 

[YoursTrue]

Rare Physical Evidence of Roman Crucifixion Found in Britain

Researchers discovered the skeleton of a man with a nail hammered through his heel bone

www.smithsonianmag.com

I think, potentially, both types were actually used.

Unless shown differently, I am thinking that there was a sign put over his head at the top of the stake.

 

[YoursTrue]

I honor anything that Man touched. And I honor the Man Himself.

Heck, we've got a chair in the store I work in that Patrick Mahomes sat in and you'd think it was the Holy Grail. LOL

There is no doubt in my mind that you are very religious. Just imagine how Mary Magdalene felt when she realized Jesus had been resurrected! What a wonderful account of love from Jesus to his disciple, Mary Magdalene!

 

[Kenny]

Unless shown differently, I am thinking that there was a sign put over his head at the top of the stake.

Yes... As I view it, if it was just a pole it would have said, "A sign over his hands".. my view is that it was a cross with a stake high enough that a sign was over his head and a cross beam for the hands.

 

[Kathryn]

You sat in a cup? Doesn't sound very comfortable.

No, and in fact I don't even care much for football, unless it's the Saints playing (and usually losing).

 

[YoursTrue]

Yes... As I view it, if it was just a pole it would have said, "A sign over his hands".. my view is that it was a cross with a stake high enough that a sign was over his head and a cross beam for the hands.

However it happened, it was a terrible way to die.

 

[YoursTrue]

many different bible translations have tried doing that , yet all to often religious belief gets in the way of truth. bibles that use LORD (note capital letters) indicates the word/name was removed to hide the name that was originally there . its a well known fact, yet it seems you do not know that.

That is true. It is a well known fact among those who care or know. Thanks for mentioning that.

 

[YoursTrue]

Yes... As I view it, if it was just a pole it would have said, "A sign over his hands".. my view is that it was a cross with a stake high enough that a sign was over his head and a cross beam for the hands.

Thanks. Looking at the King James version, I see it says that Simon was compelled to bear the cross. Matthew 27:32 - "And as they came out, they found a man of Cyrene, Simon by name: him they compelled to bear his cross." Aside from definitions of the Greek, it is saying that he bore or dragged along the entire CROSS, not a portion of it. Keep in mind I don't think it's an apt translation of the Greek, nevertheless, what do you think about that? Because that would mean, in essence, he took the entire cross, crossbar and stake.

 

[cataway]

Thanks. Looking at the King James version, I see it says that Simon was compelled to bear the cross. Matthew 27:32 - "And as they came out, they found a man of Cyrene, Simon by name: him they compelled to bear his cross." Aside from definitions of the Greek, it is saying that he bore or dragged along the entire CROSS, not a portion of it. Keep in mind I don't think it's an apt translation of the Greek, nevertheless, what do you think about that? Because that would mean, in essence, he took the entire cross, crossbar and stake.

Matthew 27:31-33

Complete Jewish Bible

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31 When they had finished ridiculing him, they took off the robe, put his own clothes back on him and led him away to be nailed to the execution-stake.
32 As they were leaving, they met a man from Cyrene named Shim‘on; and they forced him to carry Yeshua’s execution-stake. 33 When they arrived at a place called Gulgolta (which means “place of a skull”),

 

[YoursTrue]

Matthew 27:31-33​

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Complete Jewish Bible​

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31 When they had finished ridiculing him, they took off the robe, put his own clothes back on him and led him away to be nailed to the execution-stake.
32 As they were leaving, they met a man from Cyrene named Shim‘on; and they forced him to carry Yeshua’s execution-stake. 33 When they arrived at a place called Gulgolta (which means “place of a skull”),

Yes, and so in the King James Bible it says that Simon (Shimon) was forced to carry the cross. One might conclude that Simon (or Shimon) carried the entire instrument, post and crossbeam. Just bringing that out. Thanks for that other translation.