Cross or Upright Stake

[YoursTrue]

I was asking you - if you've explored this subject in depth, I assume you know how old crucifixion is and how old the images are we have that depict it. Do you?

I'll give you a heads up since you didn't answer quite well about your inowledge regarding early depictions of the Roman instrument used to torture and put people to death. The word stauros is associated with that. Since you claim to have all this knowledge, go for it.

 

[Kathryn]

Also @Kathryn Some things become like the truth when it isn't the truth and nothing but. Yes, many revere the cross as a point of worship and symbolic perhaps if they wear a cross around their neck as a piece of jewelry, but really not understanding the truth of the matter.
Because of Jesus' death those who have faith in the redeeming value in God's eyes of his death can look forward to everlasting life. True studies show that proper understanding of the Greek is important. Have a good day.
There are dictionaries and discussions about this.

I don't wear a cross personally. However, I do plan on attending the Veneration of the Cross tomorrow (Friday) at 3! LOL so there's that. But it's not worshipping the cross, it's worshipping the being who died on a cross and rose again in fulfillment of the scriptures.

 

[YoursTrue]

You do now.

 

[Left Coast]

I'll give you a heads up since you didn't answer quite well about your inowledge regarding early depictions of the Roman instrument used to torture and put people to death. The word stauros is associated with that. Since you claim to have all this knowledge, go for it.

I'm familiar with the word. Unfortunately it doesn't help your case or answer the question I asked you initially.

Have you seen ancient images of crucifixion? Yes or no?

 

[YoursTrue]

I don't wear a cross personally. However, I do plan on attending the Veneration of the Cross tomorrow (Friday) at 3! LOL so there's that. But it's not worshipping the cross, it's worshipping the being who died on a cross and rose again in fulfillment of the scriptures.

Although I don't venerate the cross I do look forward to a resurrection because of Jesus' faithfulness unto death and his resurrection. Plus. For that I am very thankful.

 

[YoursTrue]

I don't wear a cross personally. However, I do plan on attending the Veneration of the Cross tomorrow (Friday) at 3! LOL so there's that. But it's not worshipping the cross, it's worshipping the being who died on a cross and rose again in fulfillment of the scriptures.

Although I don't venerate the cross I do look forward to a resurrection because of Jesus' faithfulness unto death and his resurrection. Plus. For that I am very thankful.

 

[Kathryn]

Although I don't venerate the cross I do look forward to a resurrection because of Jesus' faithfulness unto death and his resurrection. Plus. For that I am very thankful.

Please define "venerate" as you're using it. Here's my definition:

To honor or very much respect a person or thing.

venerate

1. to honour or very much respect a person or thing: 2. to honor or very much…

dictionary.cambridge.org

 

[YoursTrue]

I'm familiar with the word. Unfortunately it doesn't help your case or answer the question I asked you initially.

Have you seen ancient images of crucifixion? Yes or no?

No illustrations from eye-witnesses, right?

 

[YoursTrue]

Please define "venerate" as you're using it.

I'm going by the term "Veneration of the Cross." I don't venerate a cross. I am thankful to the Almighty God that Jesus was faithful until death.

 

[Kathryn]

I'm going by the term "Veneration of the Cross." I don't venerate a cross. I am thankful to the Almighty God that Jesus was faithful until death.

See above post. Thanks. #167.

 

[Kathryn]

To honor or very much respect a person or thing - that's veneration. So therefore I honor and very much respect the cross that our Savior died on.

 

[Left Coast]

No illustrations from eye-witnesses, right?

Okay so your answer to my question is no.

We have images of crucifixion from the time in history when the Romans were using it.

My suggestion is that you go look outside the Watchtower and actually see the archaeological evidence we have. It may surprise you.

 

[Subduction Zone]

there are many gods and many lords .which god do you refer to? my self I have never known God to lie. does your god lie?

You are repeatedly claiming that the Christian God is a liar, though you do not understand how you are making that claim.

You need a little big of education outside of what the JW cult allows.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I am not going to play your game. Sorry.

He won't even get that right since he is almost certainly a Jehovah's witness and they do not realize that Jehovah is a transliteration (and not a very accurate one) of Yahweh. One of the Hebrew names for God. And technically not even a name if one understands its etymology.

 

[nPeace]

I don't wear a cross personally. However, I do plan on attending the Veneration of the Cross tomorrow (Friday) at 3! LOL so there's that. But it's not worshipping the cross, it's worshipping the being who died on a cross and rose again in fulfillment of the scriptures.

Reading about the executions of the Romans, makes me wonder what angel of Satan was in Rome at that time.
Those executions were the height of cruelty. Did you read the article?
They had some sort of sick depraved mentality. I can't imagine any man in total possession of his mind doing those things.

What do you think of what this Roman Statesman said?
Despite its frequent use by the Romans, the horrors of crucifixion did not escape criticism by some eminent Roman orators. Ci
cero, for example, described crucifixion as "a most cruel and disgusting punishment", and suggested that "the very mention of the cross should be far removed not only from a Roman citizen's body, but from his mind, his eyes, his ears". Elsewhere he says, "It is a crime to bind a Roman citizen; to scourge him is a wickedness; to put him to death is almost parricide. What shall I say of crucifying him? So guilty an action cannot by any possibility be adequately expressed by any name bad enough for it."

Jesus experienced one of the most horrible deaths imaginable. It probably was worst than dying from starvation... I'm guessing.
I am reminded of this every year, the commemoration of his death comes around.

Jesus Died of a Broken Heart: A Physician’s Analysis of the Crucifixion
Preparations for Jesus’ scourging were carried out at Caesar’s orders. The prisoner was stripped of His clothing and His hands tied to a post above His head. The Roman legionnaire stepped forward with the flagrum, or flagellum, in his hand. This was a short whip consisting of several heavy, leather thongs with two small balls of lead attached near the ends of each. The heavy whip was brought down with full force again and again across Jesus’ shoulders, back and legs. At first the weighted thongs cut through the skin only. Then, as the blows continued, they cut deeper into the subcutaneous tissues, producing first an oozing of blood from the capillaries and veins of the skin and finally spurting arterial bleeding from vessels in the underlying muscles.

The small balls of lead first produced large deep bruises that were broken open by subsequent blows. Finally, the skin of the back was hanging in long ribbons, and the entire area was an unrecognizable mass of torn, bleeding tissue. When it was determined by the centurion in charge that the prisoner was near death, the beating was finally stopped.

Then he was nailed up.
Reflecting on Jesus death and what it means for us, is beneficial, but this veneration of the cross... I don't know.
If a Roman statesman could feel so appauled, and he was a skeptic. What about Jesus' followers... How should they feel about it?

 

[nPeace]

No illustrations from eye-witnesses, right?

Seems the archaeologists are the only source some are willing to look at.
I told someone I spoke to, on Tuesday, people tend to want to see physical things, but those are not the only things that exist.
The reason this is written here, is because the data was collected from all the available sources... including historians.
Crucifixion
The Greek and Latin words corresponding to "crucifixion" applied to many different forms of painful execution, including being impaled on a stake, or affixed to a tree, upright pole (a crux simplex), or to a combination of an upright (in Latin, stipes) and a crossbeam (in Latin, patibulum)

Ancient Greek has two verbs for crucify: anastauroo (ἀνασταυρόω), from stauros (which in today's Greek only means "cross" but which in antiquity was used of any kind of wooden pole, pointed or blunt, bare or with attachments) and apotumpanizo (ἀποτυμπανίζω) "crucify on a plank", together with anaskolopizo (ἀνασκολοπίζω "impale"). In earlier pre-Roman Greek texts anastauro usually means "impale".

 

[nPeace]

Please define "venerate" as you're using it. Here's my definition:

To honor or very much respect a person or thing.

venerate

1. to honour or very much respect a person or thing: 2. to honor or very much…

dictionary.cambridge.org

Honor and respect. I think that's what she understood.
Why honor and respect a torturous instrument used by cruel pagans, who torture people to death in the most disgusting way?

 

[cataway]

usYou are repeatedly claiming that the Christian God is a liar, though you do not understand how you are making that claim.

You need a little big of education outside of what the JW cult thus far you have been telling stories that amount to li

thus far you have told stories that are really lies.I however see through your lies. i also know what a cult is. the JW's are not any sort of thing that can be called a cult.

 

[Subduction Zone]

thus far you have told stories that are really lies.I however see through your lies. i also know what a cult is. the JW's are not any sort of thing that can be called a cult.

I have never lied. And it is also against the rules of the forum to claim that someone is a lie.

What that I have said is wrong? How would you prove that? What evidence do you have for your beliefs?

I can show you how and why you are calling God a liar, but to understand you would need to be willing to learn. Just the basics of science, that is all that you really need to learn. But I know that reality scares JW's to death.

And yes, by most definitions of cult the JW faith qualifies.

 

[cataway]

I have never lied. And it is also against the rules of the forum to claim that someone is a lie.

What that I have said is wrong? How would you prove that? What evidence do you have for your beliefs?

I can show you how and why you are calling God a liar, but to understand you would need to be willing to learn. Just the basics of science, that is all that you really need to learn. But I know that reality scares JW's to death.

And yes, by most definitions of cult the JW faith qualifies.

you said "Jehovah's witness and they do not realize that Jehovah is a transliteration" they do know that , making you a liar. there are many names from the bible that are transliteration. likey someone lied to you about the JW's and you are promoting that lie.