Cross or Upright Stake

[Subduction Zone]

I doubt the Romans would use unnecessary wood, but the conclusion is up to you, also based on the terminology and subsequent translations. More that you talk about it the more convinced I am that whatever was construed as a crossbeam was the sign, unless you have some evidence to the contrary, and I'm talking about images or artists' depictions.

The crossbeam served a purpose. That they used a crosspiece is historical. You seem to believe that they used just a pole. Why do you believe that?

 

[Left Coast]

I doubt the Romans would use unnecessary wood, but the conclusion is up to you, also based on the terminology and subsequent translations. More that you talk about it the more convinced I am that whatever was construed as a crossbeam was the sign, unless you have some evidence to the contrary, and I'm talking about images or artists' depictions.

You've never seen ancient depictions of crucifixion before? You should Google them. Look for scholarly sources, not the Watchtower.

 

[YoursTrue]

Oh, I think @Subduction Zone is right that he was nailed to some version of a cross.

"some version." Not saying that a sign over his head could not be viewed eventually as a version of a cross? In essence, it doesn't really matter because of the way some people both venerate and literally worship the cross, whether they want to acknowledge it or not.

 

[YoursTrue]

You've never seen ancient depictions of crucifixion before? You should Google them. Look for scholarly sources, not the Watchtower.

Ancient meaning how old? Since you mentioned it, would you have any verification of how old a picture of a "cross" is?

 

[Left Coast]

"some version." Not saying that a sign over his head could not be viewed eventually as a version of a cross? In essence, it doesn't really matter because of the way some people both venerate and literally worship the cross, whether they want to acknowledge it or not.

A sign isn't a crossbeam.

Also, people don't worship the cross (at least not any mainstream Christians; perhaps there are some odd small sects who do, buy I haven't heard of them). "Worshipping the cross" is mostly a silly caricature that the Watchtower and other groups put out there for ideological reasons.

 

[Left Coast]

Ancient meaning how old? Since you mentioned it, would you have any verification of how old a picture of a "cross" is?

I was asking you - if you've explored this subject in depth, I assume you know how old crucifixion is and how old the images are we have that depict it. Do you?

 

[cataway]

A sign isn't a crossbeam.

Also, people don't worship the cross (at least not any mainstream Christians; perhaps there are some odd small sects who do, buy I haven't heard of them). "Worshipping the cross" is mostly a silly caricature that the Watchtower and other groups put out there for ideological reasons.

how willing are you to throw the cross into the trash ?

 

[Subduction Zone]

how willing are you to throw the cross into the trash ?

Why does it matter either way?

 

[Left Coast]

how willing are you to throw the cross into the trash ?

I don't even know what this question means.

You understand I'm not a Christian, yes?

 

[Subduction Zone]

I don't even know what this question means.

You understand I'm not a Christian, yes?

I think that @cataway may be a Jehovah's Witness. They have some rather odd beliefs. Christianitywise they are almost on the opposite end of the spectrum from Catholics.

 

[cataway]

I think that @cataway may be a Jehovah's Witness. They have some rather odd beliefs. Christianitywise they are almost on the opposite end of the spectrum from Catholics.

i dont know any ''Christian'' Catholics.

 

[Subduction Zone]

i dont know any ''Christian'' Catholics.

Then you do not know any Catholics. They could also say the same about the Jehovah's Witnesses. The religion does definitely qualify as a cult.

 

[cataway]

Then you do not know any Catholics. They could also say the same about the Jehovah's Witnesses. The religion does definitely qualify as a cult.

i know many Catholics. cant say any of them are christion

 

[Subduction Zone]

i know many Catholics. cant say any of them are christion

Then you probably do not know what a Christian is.

 

[cataway]

Then you probably do not know what a Christian is.

thankfully i don't live by your judgment

 

[Subduction Zone]

thankfully i don't live by your judgment

I know, you live by a made up one. And it is rather clear that you do not know what a Christian is.

Here is a hint, one does not need to call God a liar to be a Christian.

 

[cataway]

there are many gods and many lords .which god do you refer to? my self I have never known God to lie. does your god lie?

 

[Kathryn]

i dont know any ''Christian'' Catholics.

You do now.

 

[cataway]

You do now.

what is your god's name?

 

[Kathryn]

what is your god's name?

I am not going to play your game. Sorry.