Cross or Upright Stake

[cataway]

Even a closer scriptural examination reveals that Jesus really did die on a cross and people who don't even believe that have a Bible verse misunderstanding.

not going to tell you no one has ever die on a cross. in fact people have died that way . it can take days to die . jesus died in hours

 

[YoursTrue]

Very interesting aside from actual translations, this pastor did a good examination of whether Jesus died on a cross or a stake:

Jesus Christ May Not Have Died on Cross

For 2,000 years the crucifix has been a potent symbol of both Jesus Christ's death and the religion which sprung up in its aftermath. But according to a Swedish theologian, despite the crucifix's proliferation in art and literature for generations, there is no evidence in the Bible or other...

abcnews.go.com

"Jesus Christ May Not Have Died on Cross​

No evidence in Ancient sources backs up defining symbol of Christianity"​

(hmm, very interesting...)

 

[cataway]

The purpose of the foot platform, as i recall, would have been to make it more torturous, because it would be positioned so the person would only be able to breathe by hoisting themselves up on the platform. Eventually they would tire and lose the strength tit would hurt o hoist themselves up - thus suffocating.

the nails alone would do as you propose . it would hurt, but that was the plain

 

[cataway]

Do trees have branches or are they straight poles? Also, who said the beams of the cross had to be square?

ld shouIn any case, "tree" is obviously not strictly literal.

perhaps you should realize Rome would be doing what they did cheaply as possible. get a big stick ,nail a man to it, stand it up ,

 

[Left Coast]

the nails alone would do as you propose . it would hurt, but that was the plain

From the Wiki article posted earlier:

"A foot-rest (suppedaneum) attached to the cross, perhaps for the purpose of taking the person's weight off the wrists, is sometimes included in representations of the crucifixion of Jesus but is not discussed in ancient sources. Some scholars interpret the Alexamenos graffito, the earliest surviving depiction of the Crucifixion, as including such a foot-rest.[28] Ancient sources also mention the sedile, a small seat attached to the front of the cross, about halfway down,[29] which could have served a similar purpose."

So, we may never know.

 

[Left Coast]

perhaps you should realize Rome would be doing what they did cheaply as possible. get a big stick ,nail a man to it, stand it up ,

No, not really. To do it as cheaply as possible you wouldn't tie the person to a stick at all. You'd cut his head off or something equally swift. The purpose of crucifixion was to make a public display and to prolong a person's death by torture.

 

[cataway]

About a month or so ago, I was talking to someone about misconceptions in religious beliefs who adamantly believed that Jesus died on an upright stake.

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However, the archaeological evidence dictates that Jesus was crucified on a cross. But the person that I was talking to wasn't having any of that. But here is some information from an article on the internet:





Therefore, I'm not looking for a debate, however, I would like to get information from people who know what the historical and archaeological evidence shows about this topic. Also, I would like to note that I am NOT looking for answers such as: 'What difference does it make how Jesus died, just as long as we know that he died?' or answers such as that. Thank you for your participation.

did you by chance see the pic of the marble carving of a man hung from his hands ?

 

[cataway]

No, not really. To do it as cheaply as possible you wouldn't tie the person to a stick at all. You'd cut his head off or something equally swift. The purpose of crucifixion was to make a public display and to prolong a person's death by torture.

if it took days to die . could someone get them down before death . ?

 

[cataway]

next thing . if the cross was used , how did they get the dead man down ?

 

[Left Coast]

if it took days to die . could someone get them down before death . ?

Hypothetically, I suppose. Though no one in charge of them would have reason to. It was a death sentence. Why do you ask?

 

[Left Coast]

next thing . if the cross was used , how did they get the dead man down ?

Huh? Why would it be impossible to get a dead person off a cross?

 

[Viker]

People were typically crucified with the crossed "t" or "T" formation. But, some on a simple stake and others on an "x" formation. If it says cross it's safe to assume it was the "t" or "T" formation, as that is the slowest and most meticulously brutal way to execute by planks.

 

[cataway]

Huh? Why would it be impossible to get a dead person off a cross?

evidently, you have not spent much time on a ladder leaning up against a single-leg structure . if a ladder was use to get up .
where does the ladder's top rest ? perhaps on the dead man? you want to remove the nails, what's then used as a fulcrum to lever out the nails? sure it works on paper, but not so much in reality. the smart way would be to lay the pole down . how is that done ?? that's where the crossbar, near the bottom,again comes into play ,it provides a handle for at least two men to grasp and lift .

 

[Sirona]

The point is the word stauros / stavros wwhich originally referred to wood or a tree but then its meaning shifted. In modern Greek, Ερυθρός Σταυρός (Erythrós Stavrós) is the word for the Red Cross.

 

[Guitar's Cry]

are you aware that acts 5:30 says Jesus died on a tree ?

I like the metaphor of the tree. It brings it back to the symbolism of Eden: Christ becomes the fruit of the Tree of Life and Death.

That sweet, nicely aged fermented fruit...

 

[Subduction Zone]

evidently, you have not spent much time on a ladder leaning up against a single-leg structure . if a ladder was use to get up .
where does the ladder's top rest ? perhaps on the dead man? you want to remove the nails, what's then used as a fulcrum to lever out the nails? sure it works on paper, but not so much in reality. the smart way would be to lay the pole down . how is that done ?? that's where the crossbar, near the bottom,again comes into play ,it provides a handle for at least two men to grasp and lift .

What makes you think that he was taken down?

 

[cataway]

What makes you think that he was taken down?

Luke 23:53

 

[Left Coast]

evidently, you have not spent much time on a ladder leaning up against a single-leg structure . if a ladder was use to get up .
where does the ladder's top rest ? perhaps on the dead man? you want to remove the nails, what's then used as a fulcrum to lever out the nails? sure it works on paper, but not so much in reality. the smart way would be to lay the pole down . how is that done ?? that's where the crossbar, near the bottom,again comes into play ,it provides a handle for at least two men to grasp and lift .

Huh?

If a pole can be lowered, why can't a cross? That's also assuming the cross was tall enough that it would have to be lowered. I don't know if that's true.

 

[ChristineM]

actually, the crossbar, would of been below the feet of the victim . the crossbar would of been used as an aid in sanding and taking it down to then
dispose of the dead body. likely would only take 4 -5 men to stand it up

The body would not have been taken down. Those exocuted by rome were left to rot as a warning to others.

 

[cataway]

Huh?

If a pole can be lowered, why can't a cross? That's also assuming the cross was tall enough that it would have to be lowered. I don't know if that's true.

or use a axe and just chop it till it falls