Cross or Upright Stake

[Left Coast]

or use a axe and just chop it till it falls

Then you've gotta catch a falling dead body, which could get messy.

 

[cataway]

The body would not have been taken down. Those exocuted by rome were left to rot as a warning to others.

maybe out in the wilderness

 

[ChristineM]

maybe out in the wilderness

Rome had several methods of exocution depending on the crime.
Crucifixion was reserved for traitor's to rome and always held outside the city because of the stench. The victims were always left to rot.

 

[cataway]

Then you've gotta catch a falling dead body, which could get messy.

right ,its far more likely the pole would of been lifted up and out of the rock or dirt. if you have never tired lifting a pole up out of the ground with out a handle you're Infor one tough experience

 

[Subduction Zone]

Luke 23:53

I see, so a biased unreliable source is all that you have. Roman crucifixion did not have that option. They would leave the bodies up. That was part of the punishment. They would tend to come down on their own.

 

[Subduction Zone]

right ,its far more likely the pole would of been lifted up and out of the rock or dirt. if you have never tired lifting a pole up out of the ground with out a handle you're Infor one tough experience

A loose pole would make for a terrible base.. A cross piece on top would be easily removed. I can find accounts of crucifixion like that. It seems that not even you can find examples of your sort of crucifixion.

 

[Left Coast]

right ,its far more likely the pole

Or cross

would of been lifted up and out of the rock or dirt. if you have never tired lifting a pole up out of the ground with out a handle you're Infor one tough experience

Sure.

 

[Alien826]

I read something where they found a heel bone with a hole in it. The implication was that the foot had been placed against the side of the pole and the nail driven in sideways. The other foot would be attached on the other side of the pole. That doesn't mean that all crucifixions were done that way of course.

Incidentally, putting the nails through the hands as often depicted would [added not] work, as the nail would tear through the flesh. The wrist was more likely, and incidentally have more pain nerves.

About the "pole" idea. If the idea was to make the person continually push himself up so he could breathe, would that work with the hands above the head? I've seen a lot of representations of medieval torture where someone is strung up like that with feet off the floor or barely touching for hours and still seems to be able to breathe. Maybe that's just Hollywood?

Come to think of it, it wasn't so bad. Didn't they all sing a song together?

 

[cataway]

I reads something where they found a heel bone with a hole in it. The implication was that the foot had been placed against the side of the pole and the nail driven in sideways. The other foot would be attached on the other side of the pole. That doesn't mean that all crucifixions were done that way of course.

Incidentally, putting the nails through the hands as often depicted would work, as the nail would tear through the flesh. The wrist was more likely, and incidentally have more pain nerves.

About the "pole" idea. If the idea was to make the person continually push himself up so he could breathe, would that work with the hands above the head? I've seen a lot of representations of medieval torture where someone is strung up like that with feet off the floor or barely touching for hours and still seems to be able to breathe. Maybe that's just Hollywood?

Come to think of it, it wasn't so bad. Didn't they all sing a song together?

i suspect 4 nails were used

 

[cataway]

A loose pole would make for a terrible base.. A cross piece on top would be easily removed. I can find accounts of crucifixion like that. It seems that not even you can find examples of your sort of crucifixion.

easily removed with the weight of a man hanging on it ?.and some how doing that from a ladder ??no i think not

 

[ChristineM]

easily removed with the weight of a man hanging on it ?.and some how doing that from a ladder ??no i think not

This is the problem when you try to fit the bible (in this case the crucifixion) into real life. It turns out that events as given in the bible cannot occur as described.

 

[cataway]

 

[Subduction Zone]

easily removed with the weight of a man hanging on it ?.and some how doing that from a ladder ??no i think not

Why would a ladder be needed? Bodies come down on their own. Eventually.

 

[Subduction Zone]

easily removed with the weight of a man hanging on it ?.and some how doing that from a ladder ??no i think not

Once again, removing the body was not a problem.

 

[Subduction Zone]

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Yes, that is one of the methods of crucifixion that was used. Crucifixion - Wikipedia

"
The gibbet on which crucifixion was carried out could be of many shapes. Josephus says that the Roman soldiers who crucified the many prisoners taken during the Siege of Jerusalem under Titus diverted themselves by nailing them to the crosses in different ways;[2] and Seneca the Younger recounts: "I see crosses there, not just of one kind but made in many different ways: some have their victims with head down to the ground; some impale their private parts; others stretch out their arms on the gibbet."[14]

At times the gibbet was only one vertical stake, called in Latin crux simplex.[15] This was the simplest available construction for torturing and killing the condemned. Frequently, however, there was a cross-piece attached either at the top to give the shape of a T (crux commissa) or just below the top, as in the form most familiar in Christian symbolism (crux immissa).[16] The most ancient image of a Roman crucifixion depicts an individual on a T-shaped cross. It is a graffito found in a taberna (hostel for wayfarers) in Puteoli, dating to the time of Trajan or Hadrian (late 1st century to early 2nd century AD).[17]

Second-century writers who speak of the execution cross describe the crucified person's arms as outstretched, not attached to a single stake: Lucian speaks of Prometheus as crucified "above the ravine with his hands outstretched". He also says that the shape of the letter T (the Greek letter tau) was that of the wooden instrument used for crucifying.[18] Artemidorus, another writer of the same period, says that a cross is made of posts (plural) and nails and that the arms of the crucified are outstretched.[19] Speaking of the generic execution cross, Irenaeus (c. 130–202), a Christian writer, describes it as composed of an upright and a transverse beam, sometimes with a small projection in the upright.[20]"

 

[Alien826]

Are we sure that the crosses were as tall as often depicted? It would only be necessary to have the victim's feet off the ground and a shorter pole would make putting him on and off much easier. Just guessing.

I had a silly thought. If I was designing a cross with access to today's materials, I would use a pulley at the top of the pole and rope to pull the already nailed victim up and also to lower him. Yes I know they had rope, but I'm not sure about pulleys. Maybe a hole at the top that the rope fed through?

 

[Subduction Zone]

Are we sure that the crosses were as tall as often depicted? It would only be necessary to have the victim's feet off the ground and a shorter pole would make putting him on and off much easier. Just guessing.

I had a silly thought. If I was designing a cross with access to today's materials, I would use a pulley at the top of the pole and rope to pull the already nailed victim up and also to lower him. Yes I know they had rope, but I'm not sure about pulleys. Maybe a hole at the top that the rope fed through?

They were probably as high as they could reasonably put a person up there. Getting them down was never a consideration. Sooner or later they came down on their own.

EDIT: I forgot the reason that they wanted the people on crosses up in the air a bit. The punishment was meant as a deterrent. Making sure that people could see the bodies up on crosses was very effective.

 

[Aupmanyav]

maybe out in the wilderness

Gehenna too ws outside the city walls.

 

[cataway]

Once again, removing the body was not a problem.

as in the case of a criminal ,in that setting ,pole and dead body would be carried off to the valley of Hinnom (gehenna) at that time some kind of a dumping place for trash

 

[cataway]

Yes, that is one of the methods of crucifixion that was used. Crucifixion - Wikipedia

"
The gibbet on which crucifixion was carried out could be of many shapes. Josephus says that the Roman soldiers who crucified the many prisoners taken during the Siege of Jerusalem under Titus diverted themselves by nailing them to the crosses in different ways;[2] and Seneca the Younger recounts: "I see crosses there, not just of one kind but made in many different ways: some have their victims with head down to the ground; some impale their private parts; others stretch out their arms on the gibbet."[14]

At times the gibbet was only one vertical stake, called in Latin crux simplex.[15] This was the simplest available construction for torturing and killing the condemned. Frequently, however, there was a cross-piece attached either at the top to give the shape of a T (crux commissa) or just below the top, as in the form most familiar in Christian symbolism (crux immissa).[16] The most ancient image of a Roman crucifixion depicts an individual on a T-shaped cross. It is a graffito found in a taberna (hostel for wayfarers) in Puteoli, dating to the time of Trajan or Hadrian (late 1st century to early 2nd century AD).[17]

Second-century writers who speak of the execution cross describe the crucified person's arms as outstretched, not attached to a single stake: Lucian speaks of Prometheus as crucified "above the ravine with his hands outstretched". He also says that the shape of the letter T (the Greek letter tau) was that of the wooden instrument used for crucifying.[18] Artemidorus, another writer of the same period, says that a cross is made of posts (plural) and nails and that the arms of the crucified are outstretched.[19] Speaking of the generic execution cross, Irenaeus (c. 130–202), a Christian writer, describes it as composed of an upright and a transverse beam, sometimes with a small projection in the upright.[20]"

i'm not going to argue that cross's were never used by the Roman's, they were . tied with rope or nailed then left to die would of been torcher .its hard to believe any one could do that to anyone. Its just mean beyond belief.
Israel law also used poles to hang up the convicted . however they were killed then hung-up