Cross or Upright Stake

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Wikipedia has a good article on this. There were two common types of crucifixion that the Romans used. The used a simple stake at times. But Jesus was probably crucified on stake with a cross piece on top. It would have looked like an upper case "T:". Also the idea that Jesus would have carried the whole cross as commonly depicted is probably wrong because a cross put up with a body on it would not be very stable. He probably only carried the cross piece and was put up on a stake that was a permanent part of the city just for crucifixions:

Crucifixion - Wikipedia

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I'll just apply the name C3PO just to keep it easy.

 

[cataway]

Why would you make the assumption? More important why assume that the story is even correct? Once again you are not understanding Roman crucifixion. Jesus almost certainly died on the cross. That sort of happens quite often when people are crucified.

if you were to do a forensic investigation the conclusion that presents it self is that Jesus and the other two men died on a up right stake . if nailed to a cross a person can live for days .if hung on a stake from the hands up over ones head the person dies in hours . they are give a few hours to die if not then dead the legs would be broken . as you may recall when they came back to brake the legs of Jesus he was already dead.

 

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if you were to do a forensic investigation the conclusion that presents it self is that Jesus and the other two men died on a up right stake . if nailed to a cross a person can live for days .if hung on a stake from the hands up over ones head the person dies in hours . they are give a few hours to die if not then dead the legs would be broken . as you may recall when they came back to brake the legs of Jesus he was already dead.

It does not matter how they died. And how can you do a "forensic investigation"? There are no reliable sources of the event and the ones that do exist tend to contradict each other. By the way, why do you even think that there were two others? What crimes did they commit?

Much of the story just appears to be myth that grew after the fact.

 

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I looked at the verses and it's all over the place. It seems like half of the translations say cross, and the rest say tree.

And one would need to read the original Aramaic to get the best clue. The problem is that the Gospels tend to clash a bit. John has the crucifixion on a different day and at a different time than the other Gospels do.

 

[cataway]

It does not matter how they died. And how can you do a "forensic investigation"? There are no reliable sources of the event and the ones that do exist tend to contradict each other. By the way, why do you even think that there were two others? What crimes did they commit?

Much of the story just appears to be myth that grew after the fact.

luke 23
; 32  Two other men, criminals, were also being led off to be executed with him.+ 33  And when they got to the place called Skull,+ they nailed him to the stake there alongside the criminals, one on his right and one on his left.+

yep it would help if you would read the book

 

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luke 23
; 32  Two other men, criminals, were also being led off to be executed with him.+ 33  And when they got to the place called Skull,+ they nailed him to the stake there alongside the criminals, one on his right and one on his left.+

yep it would help if you would read the book

No, you just refuted yourself. You clearly do not understand Roman crucifixion and you do not seem to want to learn.

 

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No, you just refuted yourself. You clearly do not understand Roman crucifixion and you do not seem to want to learn.

well now you did say ''By the way, why do you even think that there were two others?'' plainly you did not know 2 other people were hung up that day

 

[walt]

The New Testament, specifically Galatians 3:13, quotes the Old Testament (Deuteronomy 21:22-23)

Deuteronomy 21:22 וכי And if יהיה have committed באישׁ a man חטא a sin משׁפט worthy מות of death, והומת and he be to be put to death, ותלית and thou hang אתו על him on עץ׃ a tree:

The Hebrew word H6086 עץ - Strong's Hebrew Lexicon Number
1. tree, wood, timber, stock, plank, stalk, stick, gallows
a. tree, trees
b. wood, pieces of wood, gallows, firewood, cedar-wood, woody flax

KJV Usage: + carpenter, gallows, helve, + pine, plank, staff, stalk, stick, stock, timber, tree, wood.

In the Hebrew language this word does not mean cross. Galatians 3:13 quotes the Old Testament - the word does not mean cross?

Sorry my comment may be inappropriate according to the rules of this section, I don't know?

 

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It does not matter how they died. And how can you do a "forensic investigation"? There are no reliable sources of the event and the ones that do exist tend to contradict each other. By the way, why do you even think that there were two others? What crimes did they commit?

Much of the story just appears to be myth that grew after the fact.

ah but it does matter how he died. there are prophecies that would be fulfilled in his death

 

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ah but it does matter how he died. there are prophecies that would be fulfilled in his death

Please be specific.

 

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Please be specific.

you are telling me you don't know . please read the Bible

 

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Luke 9:22
22  but he said: “The Son of man must undergo many sufferings and be rejected by the elders and the chief priests and the scribes and be killed, and on the third day be raised up.”
Luke 24 :44
 He then said to them: “These are my words that I spoke to you while I was yet with you, that all the things written about me in the Law of Moses and in the Prophets and Psalms must be fulfilled.”

Psalm 22:16-18
16  For dogs surround me;They close in on me like a pack of evildoers,Like a lion they are at my hands and feet.17  I can count all my bones.They look on and stare at me.18  They divide my garments among themselves,And they cast lots for my clothing.

Isaiah 53:7-9
7  He was oppressed and he let himself be afflicted,But he would not open his mouth.He was brought like a sheep to the slaughter,Like a ewe that is silent before its shearers,And he would not open his mouth. 8  Because of restraint and judgment he was taken away;And who will concern himself with the details of his generation?For he was cut off from the land of the living;Because of the transgression of my people he received the stroke. 9  And he was given a burial place with the wicked,And with the rich in his death,Although he had done no wrong And there was no deception in his mouth.

 

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you are telling me you don't know . please read the Bible

No, I am telling you that I probably disagree with your interpretation of the Bible. If you had anything you would have posted it. You are almost certainly projecting when you accuse others of ignorance. You made a claim that put the burden of proof upon you. I made that public. Your response was a personal attack instead of supporting your claim and as a result it now looks to be very bogus.

 

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Luke 9:22
22  but he said: “The Son of man must undergo many sufferings and be rejected by the elders and the chief priests and the scribes and be killed, and on the third day be raised up.”
Luke 24 :44
 He then said to them: “These are my words that I spoke to you while I was yet with you, that all the things written about me in the Law of Moses and in the Prophets and Psalms must be fulfilled.”

Psalm 22:16-18
16  For dogs surround me;They close in on me like a pack of evildoers,Like a lion they are at my hands and feet.17  I can count all my bones.They look on and stare at me.18  They divide my garments among themselves,And they cast lots for my clothing.

Isaiah 53:7-9
7  He was oppressed and he let himself be afflicted,But he would not open his mouth.He was brought like a sheep to the slaughter,Like a ewe that is silent before its shearers,And he would not open his mouth. 8  Because of restraint and judgment he was taken away;And who will concern himself with the details of his generation?For he was cut off from the land of the living;Because of the transgression of my people he received the stroke. 9  And he was given a burial place with the wicked,And with the rich in his death,Although he had done no wrong And there was no deception in his mouth.

Sorry, quote mines are not prophecies. There have been people scanning the Old Testament for 2,000 years for anything that looks as if it could be a prophecy. But when read in context it is not a prophecy. Tio even be considered to be a prophecy there must be a clear statement of intent. There was none. Except your bogus Luke example where a person made his own prophesy and fulfilled it in one piece of fiction. You do not even appear to understand what a prophecy is in the first place.

 

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luke 23
; 32  Two other men, criminals, were also being led off to be executed with him.+ 33  And when they got to the place called Skull,+ they nailed him to the stake there alongside the criminals, one on his right and one on his left.+

yep it would help if you would read the book

Yes, there were two others next to Jesus who were being executed.

 

[YoursTrue]

ah but it does matter how he died. there are prophecies that would be fulfilled in his death

Actually, some of us are seriously looking forward to the future as this world continues -- I am pretty sure, based on your posts, you are too.