Curious question to the unvaccinated

[an anarchist]

@stvdv and the unvaccinated

They say if one isn't vaccinated they are selfish and don't care about saving the world.

Do you believe you are selfish (or thinking of oneself in regards to your health) at the expense other people's lives?

I believe that there is some high quality gas lighting going on from the government.

 

[an anarchist]

Where I live we no longer trust people who won't get vaccinated and that is easy to show.
Many of our companies, travel services, offices, clubs, social centres etc will not receive people who are unvaccinated.

And a very high % of Covid victims are unvaccinated.

And people have been preparing for this discrimination against anti government folk. It’s discrimination against people who don’t comply to tyranny. Vaxxers are a bunch of statists

 

[stvdv]

... "But don't call me selfish!"

No, I won't call you selfish

 

[stvdv]

I believe that there is some high quality gas lighting going on from the government.

In this case it's more accurate to say "I know"
Not just my opinion

 

[It Aint Necessarily So]

I'm curious of your views about your decision to not vaccinate and your opinions on being told you will spread the virus without vaccination.

How do you rate your risk of catching COVID insofar the risk isn't high enough (important or so have you) to vaccinate? (Do you believe you can spread the virus without you knowing it?)

That, and how does your lifestyle, situation, and morals play a part in not vaccinating (for example, some people rarely leave their home and are not around people close enough to possibly catch and spread COVID)... do you have similar lifestyle in those respects?

They say if one isn't vaccinated they are selfish and don't care about saving the world. Do you believe you are selfish (or thinking of oneself in regards to your health) at the expense other people's lives?

Does deaths play a factor(how do you view them)?

I think it's pretty obvious how antivaxxers feel about all of these things. They don't like being criticized. They don't think their risk of dying is high enough to justify taking a vaccine. Their lifestyle, whatever it is, either isn't a factor in their thinking or they consider themselves to be at low risk. They either don't believe that they are being selfish or don't care what others want or need. And their own deaths are not likely in their minds, and the death of others simply isn't a factor.

What's interesting to me are the questions not asked. There are no questions (or comments in the replies) about civic duty, or why they think they know what best for them in an area where the overwhelming number of experts and the hospitalization and death statistics contradict them, or how they feel about their role in perpetuating the pandemic, or do their critics have any valid points. Are their concerns justified? Are they justified in seeing you as a pariah? Do you care if they do? If not, why not?

This self-centeredness is probably not apparent to those refusing vaccines based on misinformation and fears. They're not looking out at the people around them at all. They're uninterested in their needs, their fears. Those are just other bodies roaming around, not people that they feel any connection to or duty to.

Just look at the kinds of answers you are getting from other antivaxxers. Not a scintilla of concern for others comes into any of the answers of the willingly unvaccinated. No sense of community. No talk of responsibility, just rights. You only see those things from the other side, who speak in terms of responsibility to people that only answer in terms of their rights.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

I think it's pretty obvious how antivaxxers feel about all of these things. They don't like being criticized. They don't think their risk of dying is high enough to justify taking a vaccine. Their lifestyle, whatever it is, either isn't a factor in their thinking or they consider themselves to be at low risk. They either don't believe that they are being selfish or don't care what others want or need. And their own deaths are not likely in their minds, and the death of others simply isn't a factor.

What's interesting to me are the questions not asked. There are no questions (or comments in the replies) about civic duty, or why they think they know what best for them in an area where the overwhelming number of experts and the hospitalization and death statistics contradict them, or how they feel about their role in perpetuating the pandemic, or do their critics have any valid points. Are their concerns justified? Are they justified in seeing you as a pariah? Do you care if they do? If not, why not?

This self-centeredness is probably not apparent to those refusing vaccines based on misinformation and fears. They're not looking out at the people around them at all. They're uninterested in their needs, their fears. Those are just other bodies roaming around, not people that they feel any connection to or duty to.

Just look at the kinds of answers you are getting from other antivaxxers. Not a scintilla of concern for others comes into any of the answers of the willingly unvaccinated. No sense of community. No talk of responsibility, just rights. You only see those things from the other side, who speak in terms of responsibility to people that only answer in terms of their rights.

The questions were posed to the unvaccinated. Provaxxers label them antivax but since it's not an provax accusation thread, I'm just curious how unvaccinated people are dealing with this, their views, and things like that.

We know what provaxxers will say so this is just unvax sharing their thoughts.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

I'm curious of your views about your decision to not vaccinate and your opinions on being told you will spread the virus without vaccination.

How do you rate your risk of catching COVID insofar the risk isn't high enough (important or so have you) to vaccinate? (Do you believe you can spread the virus without you knowing it?)

That, and how does your lifestyle, situation, and morals play a part in not vaccinating (for example, some people rarely leave their home and are not around people close enough to possibly catch and spread COVID)... do you have similar lifestyle in those respects?

Quasi-devil's advocate.

I'm not "antivax", as in I'm not opposed to vaccines. I just don't trust the technology these vaccines use as well as there being evidence of corruption with the companies that make them (very obvious with Moderna, which has a creepy history). I would get vaccinated against it if they would put out a regular vaccine (dead or weakened virus).

I also don't buy into the hysteria and theatrics of the government spokespeople and corporate media talking heads, who have been caught lying multiple times and have severe conflicts of interest. If those psychopaths and puppets are pushing something that hard, it just raises a red flag to me. I do see a real increase in hatred towards others (you can see it on this board), whipped up by Covid hysteria.

As for me, I don't really get sick from viruses. I can't recall the last time I even had a cold. It doesn't seem to be burning through my workplace, either. It doesn't really exist in the reality of my daily life. So I'm not concerned and I will not be guilted or shamed.

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

The questions were posed to the unvaccinated. Provaxxers label them antivax but since it's not an provax accusation thread, I'm just curious how unvaccinated people are dealing with this, their views, and things like that.

We know what provaxxers will say so this is just unvax sharing their thoughts.

So you are asking the question only of those that support your self. and all the other antivaxxers and those who share your views?
I suppose that is as good a way as any to have your biases confirmed.

However the unvaccinated are not dealing with it very well at all . It is from their numbers that are now providing near 100% of the deaths, serious illnesses and cases of long covid. Of course we do not hear the opinions from any these dead and dying.
Like you, most of them thought that they were safe from Covid because of their strong immune systems and lifestyles etc. Many thought that Covid was harmless to themselves.

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

I'm not "antivax", as in I'm not opposed to vaccines. I just don't trust the technology these vaccines use as well as there being evidence of corruption with the companies that make them (very obvious with Moderna, which has a creepy history). I would get vaccinated against it if they would put out a regular vaccine (dead or weakened virus).

I also don't buy into the hysteria and theatrics of the government spokespeople and corporate media talking heads, who have been caught lying multiple times and have severe conflicts of interest. If those psychopaths and puppets are pushing something that hard, it just raises a red flag to me. I do see a real increase in hatred towards others (you can see it on this board), whipped up by Covid hysteria.

As for me, I don't really get sick from viruses. I can't recall the last time I even had a cold. It doesn't seem to be burning through my workplace, either. It doesn't really exist in the reality of my daily life. So I'm not concerned and I will not be guilted or shamed.

Its all rather like getting shot. most bullets miss, till one gets you.
If a cold is a hand gun,
Flue is an assault weapon,
and Covid is a machine gun.

 

[stvdv]

Does deaths play a factor(how do you view them)?

IF all people start dropping dead around me THEN definitely I will resort to the one and only 100% safe but quite drastic solution.

I am blessed to live in a place where I don't see people die from it.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Its all rather like getting shot. most bullets miss, till one gets you.
If a cold is a hand gun,
Flue is an assault weapon,
and Covid is a machine gun.

Nice attempt to scare me, but it's not working. I go by what I can see and there's little evidence of a deadly highly contagious disease burning through my city, from what I see. (Yes, my city. I live in the middle of a rather large city and work full time at a supermarket. I'm not one of the shut ins on this board.)

So if Covid is a machine gun, it's a rather lackluster one I would return to the manufacturer for a refund.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

So you are asking the question only of those that support your self. and all the other antivaxxers and those who share your views?
I suppose that is as good a way as any to have your biases confirmed.

I'm asking why unvaccinated choose not to vaccinate and their opinions on provaxxers views in light of having free space without accusation.

Anything else.
You are implying is irrelevant

However the unvaccinated are not dealing with it very well at all . It is from their numbers that are now providing near 100% of the deaths, serious illnesses and cases of long covid. Of course we do not hear the opinions from any these dead and dying.
Like you, most of them thought that they were safe from Covid because of their strong immune systems and lifestyles etc. Many thought that Covid was harmless to themselves.

Many do. Others just aren't jumping to get vaxed just because people tell them to do it

You can at least agree you can't catch COVID if you're not around people to spread and catch it from, right?

 

[stvdv]

And people have been preparing for this discrimination against anti government folk. It’s discrimination against people who don’t comply to tyranny. Vaxxers are a bunch of statists

Covid is the perfect proof to see how many people still indiscriminately discriminate

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

I'm asking why unvaccinated choose not to vaccinate and their opinions on provaxxers views in light of having free space without accusation.

Anything else.
You are implying is irrelevant



Many do. Others just aren't jumping to get vaxed just because people tell them to do it

You can at least agree you can't catch COVID if you're not around people to spread and catch it from, right?

No one is that isolate from the outside world.
we all need food. and other services.
Do you sanitise everything that comes into your home.
do you never touch anything outside.
If you can even smell tobacco smoke you are close enough to catch covid.

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

Nice attempt to scare me, but it's not working. I go by what I can see and there's little evidence of a deadly highly contagious disease burning through my city, from what I see. (Yes, my city. I live in the middle of a rather large city and work full time at a supermarket. I'm not one of the shut ins on this board.)

So if Covid is a machine gun, it's a rather lackluster one I would return to the manufacturer for a refund.

Which city is that?
I know the D variant has not reached everywhere in the USA yet. but where it has it is extremely virulent.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

I think it's pretty obvious how antivaxxers feel about all of these things. They don't like being criticized. They don't think their risk of dying is high enough to justify taking a vaccine. Their lifestyle, whatever it is, either isn't a factor in their thinking or they consider themselves to be at low risk. They either don't believe that they are being selfish or don't care what others want or need. And their own deaths are not likely in their minds, and the death of others simply isn't a factor.

I'm sure most of them don't see themselves as selfish.

I chalk a lot of the attitude up to two factors, depending on the person:

- denialism. They dispute the basic facts about the disease. They consider themselves low risk because they see the disease as low-risk generally... i.e. that the impact of the disease has been misrepresented (or even is an outright lie).

- innumeracy. They accept the facts of the disease, like the death toll and number of cases, but don't understand how to draw valid conclusions about their own level of risk - or the risk they pose to others - from this information.

Based on her posts, I'd probably put @Unveiled Artist in the second category. Other members here... they vary, IMO.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

They don't think their risk of dying is high enough to justify taking a vaccine.

Let me ask. Do you feel a person's risk of dying should be measured the same despite their circumstances?

What makes two people on the opposite sides of the world at the same level of risk?

 

[Unveiled Artist]

I'm sure most of them don't see themselves as selfish.

I chalk a lot of the attitude up to two factors, depending on the person:

- denialism. They dispute the basic facts about the disease. They consider themselves low risk because they see the disease as low-risk generally... i.e. that the impact of the disease has been misrepresented (or even is an outright lie).

- innumeracy. They accept the facts of the disease, like the death toll and number of cases, but don't understand how to draw valid conclusions about their own level of risk - or the risk they pose to others - from this information.

Based on her posts, I'd probably put @Unveiled Artist in the second category. Other members here... they vary, IMO.

If it were mathematics you'd have a point. Since it's not people make heath decisions for a varied of reasons but disagreeing with them doesn't mean there's a flaw in their logic...

Unless, how to say, it helps you to have your own justifications behind others actions to feel better. Most are just personal opinions though.

 

[stvdv]

No one is that isolate from the outside world.

That is a generalizing claim that can easily be proven wrong

Wiser would be:
"Not many..."

or

"IMHO..."

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

If it were mathematics you'd have a point. Since it's not people make heath decisions for a varied of reasons but disagreeing with them doesn't mean there's a flaw in their logic...

I've read your posts. There are many flaws in your logic.