Unveiled Artist
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It can't be illogical based on your personal views on the topic. Logical flaws are independent of that. Could you give an example?
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Curious question to the unvaccinated
- Thread starter Unveiled Artist
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It can't be illogical based on your personal views on the topic. Logical flaws are independent of that. Could you give an example?
The nonsense you keep saying about how someone who doesn't know whether they've been exposed to the virus isn't putting others at risk comes immediately to mind.
Unveiled Artist
Veteran Member
The US is huge compared to UK... just huge in general. So there are a lot of pocket cities that you can't "feel" the pandemic unless it was literally right in front of you. So to say France is the same as US is the same as UK is the same as Russia in their need to have urgency to get the vaccine would be cutting it. That's just talking about countries as a whole not individual provinces or states.
Unveiled Artist
Veteran Member
Oh. I'm thinking of another way to put it because I get what you guys are saying but its misapplied.
I'll use a gun example (I used a couple times)
If I told you I had a gun (unvaccinated-if you like) of course you will "feel" like your life is in danger. It's a physiological response to perceived threat.
If I pulled at a gun and put it to your head then you Are at danger regardless how you feel about the issue.
It's a technicality between "assumption" of risk and actually being in danger for your life.
Yeah... I see your analogy as nonsense, and not applicable to the reality of the pandemic.
Edit:
A corrected analogy:
- you have a gun. You aren't sure whether it's loaded.
- you didn't load the gun yourself, but you know that people in your community have been sneaking bullets into unloaded guns without the owners knowing.
- every person you meet, you greet them by pointing the gun at them and pulling the trigger.
- you assume that your gun is still unloaded, but you never bother to check.
Unveiled Artist
Veteran Member
Objectively, it is not. Whether it's a war, genocide, pandemic, or something less serious the fact is you're not in danger-it's all perceived.
If a person doesn't have COVID, you're technically not in danger. You don't Know it, of course, hence the emotional reaction.
Another way to put it is if an unvaccinated person was tested negative to COVID would you be around that person?
Columbus, OH
oldbadger
Skanky Old Mongrel!
If you say so.
But most folks here disagree with you. 75% of all mature adults have received two Covid vaccinations.
You do it your way, we will do it ours.
Read the edited version of my post.
Not by choice, but I can't control who I have to be around at work.
A COVID test only tells you that, as of the date of the test, the person didn't have enough virus in their nose to trigger a positive result.
It means (within the precision and sensitivity of the test) that they didn't have a full-blown COVID-19 infection on the day of the test. It tells me almost nothing about whether they were just in the beginning stages of a COVID-19 infection on the day of the test, and absolutely nothing about whether they've been exposed to the virus since the test.
In general, if someone I'm encountering in public or at work is unvaccinated because they're refusing the vaccine, I would take this as evidence that their judgment about the disease is poor, and therefore that I can't count on them having taken reasonable measures to avoid exposure to the virus.
stvdv
Veteran Member
Do you realize that, with these 3 points:
You are still able to post on RF?
Covid hasn't been lethal to you
How is this even possible?
a) Vaccination
b) God's Grace
c) ?
Knowing this, I need not worry too much it seems, after all you are 30 years ahead of me
Though I like to be cauteous, I also like to not worry too much.
stvdv
Veteran Member
Sounds like a plan to me,If you say so.
But most folks here disagree with you. 75% of all mature adults have received two Covid vaccinations.
You do it your way, we will do it ours.
As long as the vaxxers don't kill the one's choosing to not be vaccinated
Hopefully they will feel a sense of responsibility and do the responsible thing to help stop the virus and protect others. I watched that video, and I agreed 100% with what Biden said in it. It's refreshing to hear the hard, but compassionate truth of this. At this point, making masks and vaccine political, is utterly irresponsible and even evil. It results in needless deaths.
Yes, it is understandable people may have reservations, but there is no reason to hide in fear and make excuses (unless some legitimate reason to not be vaccinated because your doctors indicates risks to your health). It's the politicization of this, and the conspiracy theory pseudoscience disinformation that is irresponsible and amoral, and considering how much death results directly from that disinformation, you can even call it evil.
Unveiled Artist
Veteran Member
The questions were for unvaccinated. The point of the video wasn't to disagree with his message but just the point of calling it the "pandemic against the vaccinated" makes me question whether I should take his message seriously insofar that he would segregate a group of people as the cause of the pandemic. It's highly not a good role model for a president and doesn't set a good vibe of saving the world from the war with the virus.
Nice attempt to scare me, but it's not working. I go by what I can see and there's little evidence of a deadly highly contagious disease burning through my city, from what I see. (Yes, my city. I live in the middle of a rather large city and work full time at a supermarket. I'm not one of the shut ins on this board.)
So if Covid is a machine gun, it's a rather lackluster one I would return to the manufacturer for a refund.
The disease has killed more than a thousand people in Columbus.
https://public.tableau.com/app/prof...tbreakSummary_15918845768300/COVID19Summaryp1
They have discovered that even those who have been infected previously, can get it again. Plus there are other strains even more virulent than the previous one, such as Delta variant. It may be as time shows, that we may need additional shots to help stave it off.
If however, everyone gets vaccinated, we can eradicate Covid, and then there would be no need for future booster shots. It seems eradicating it would be the best approach for us collectively as the human species. Wouldn't you think?
What makes us think that is the science. It is different. Here's a link to help bring some credible knowledge to this.But with the seasonal flu shots....don't people need a new one every year?....every new strain of flu needs a new fluvax....right? What makes us think this flu will be any different?
Similarities and Differences between Flu and COVID-19
As with all important matters, it behooves all of us to look to the experts, not talk show hosts pulling fictions and conspiracy theories out of their butts. The latter results in death.
They're including Franklin County in that number and there's over 1.3 million people in Franklin County and almost a 1 million in the city itself. I don't know any of these people, and hundreds of them are probably elderly people in nursing homes.
Unveiled Artist
Veteran Member
That sounds like a recipe for fear.
If you said Expert X says people have been sneaking bullets into unloaded guns and thousands have been shot because of it, of course you guys will fear if you be shot to. The danger is from your perception not objective. It's situational. Some people live with barely any gun stores if any while others live with a gun store on every corner. Feeling in danger would make more sense in a neighborhood where guns are sold than there would be if they were not.
I think that's why people should have some barrier between themselves and people they disagree with in this topic. We really don't know who have loaded guns and if I treated everyone as if they were going to kill me, I'd probably be in a mental house somewhere.
Let me ask. If they didn't refuse but couldn't get vaccinated would you still have the same concerns of not catching and spreading the virus?
Unless the concern applies to All unvaccinated who you say are endangering you, it seems more like disagreeing with their decisions not about the virus itself.
He did not call it the "pandemic against the vaccinated". You even put the correct quote in your original post. The actual quote is "The pandemic of the unvaccinated". This "against the vaccinated" only appears in this post, not even your first post. You're misinterpreting his words in recalling them.
It is in fact, "The pandemic of the unvaccinated", for the very simple reason is that unvaccinated people are the ones in the vast majority of cases the only ones getting it and dying from it. And it is in fact "the pandemic of the unvaccinated" for the fact that that's how the pandemic spreads - through unvaccinated people.
If everyone were vaccinated, there would be no Covid anymore. It would become extinct without host bodies to keep it going. The "unvaccinated" keep it alive. Covid lives because it has unprotected hosts. That's 100% accurate, isn't it?
Unveiled Artist
Veteran Member
Of the--okay. But my point is the same. There shouldn't be a pandemic of the unvaccinated just the pandemic of people in general. No segregation.
It has Always spread through unvaccinated people. There's no use of Biden putting emphasis on it now then back then unless its a guilt trip to get people to vaccinate.
I don't agree COVID would disappear because 99.9% around the world vaccinated. Wishful thinking, in my opinion.