Daily Obamacare Thread: Good and Bad

[metis]

As I just posted on another thread, my rabbi just went through the ACA and now is going to be getting slightly better coverage at roughly half the price, and it's through the same company.

 

[tytlyf]

As I just posted on another thread, my rabbi just went through the ACA and now is going to be getting slightly better coverage at roughly half the price, and it's through the same company.

I can hear it now!

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[Revoltingest]

My son is finally able to sign up. Obamacare has accepted that he's a citizen, allowed him to be a non-smoker, & given him a generous credit which makes his health care only slightly more expensive (for a slightly better deal) than it was before.
A friend was able to cover his whole family of 4 for about half of my son's price. (I guess my son doesn't make enuf money to get the big discount.)

Some others aren't faring so well....
After a Month of Trying, I Still Can't Sign Up for Obamacare | The Weekly Standard

 

[Revoltingest]

I spoke prematurely.
He can't fully sign up yet....2 months of attempting, & not there yet.

 

[Dirty Penguin]

I spoke prematurely.
He can't fully sign up yet....2 months of attempting, & not there yet.

Has he scrapped his application and started over?......I have read a couple reports and know that the function to delete your application and start over has been put in place. All he'll need to do is get another email address. Every report I've read on this seems to be working just fine. A friend of mine here in VA (where we unfortunately don't have an exchange do to our previous Republican Governor)....had a similar issue your son is having but after the new feature was added he was able to delete his application and sign up with a new email address...viola...in less than 30 minutes he was all signed up with 12 different plans to choose from....

 

[Revoltingest]

It's proceeding again.
What a ridiculous process.
I can really understand the appeal of the conspiracy theory that Obama
designed it to fail so that he can launch single payer as the solution.
(I said "understand"...not "buy".)

 

[Monk Of Reason]

It's proceeding again.
What a ridiculous process.
I can really understand the appeal of the conspiracy theory that Obama
designed it to fail so that he can launch single payer as the solution.
(I said "understand"...not "buy".)

I "understand" but like you don't "buy" but "hope".

 

[Revoltingest]

I "understand" but like you don't "buy" but "hope".

I do believe a Canuckistanian style single payer system would be better than Obamacare.
But I don't hope for it. The very act of my hoping for it would doom it.
So I am aloof.

 

[Monk Of Reason]

I do believe a Canuckistanian style single payer system would be better than Obamacare.
But I don't hope for it. The very act of my hoping for it would doom it.
So I am aloof.

What act are you hoping for?

 

[Revoltingest]

What act are you hoping for?

I am actively not hoping for anything (politically).
(Don't wanna jinx it.)

 

[Dirty Penguin]

It's proceeding again.
What a ridiculous process.
I can really understand the appeal of the conspiracy theory that Obama
designed it to fail so that he can launch single payer as the solution.
(I said "understand"...not "buy".)

What does that mean..."it's proceeding again"..?

Did he delete his application and start over and is getting the same result?

Maybe he should delete his application and go and sit down with a navigator this time around.

Like I said...I know someone that was having trouble similar to your son but when the delete application unction was added they started over and signed up in less than half an hour and will now be covered.

I can't remember who it was but there was an RF member that went through the same thing and is now covered.

 

[Revoltingest]

What does that mean..."it's proceeding again"..?
Did he delete his application and start over and is getting the same result?
Maybe he should delete his application and go and sit down with a navigator this time around.
Like I said...I know someone that was having trouble similar to your son but when the delete application unction was added they started over and signed up in less than half an hour and will now be covered.
I can't remember who it was but there was an RF member that went through the same thing and is now covered.

The application is done.
Now there are payment & identification issues.

 

[esmith]

It's proceeding again.
What a ridiculous process.
I can really understand the appeal of the conspiracy theory that Obama
designed it to fail so that he can launch single payer as the solution.
(I said "understand"...not "buy".)

Maybe your son has fallen into the black hole described below:
HealthCare.gov can’t handle appeals of enrollment errors - The Washington Post

 

[Revoltingest]

CBO nearly triples estimate of working hours lost by 2021 due to Affordable Care Act

A historically high number of people will be locked out of the workforce by 2021, according to a report by the Congressional Budget Office released Tuesday.
President Barack Obama's signature health-care law will contribute to this phenomenon, the CBO said, citing new estimates that the Affordable Care Act will cause a larger-than-expected reduction in working hours—eliminating the equivalent of about 2.3 million workers in 2021.

Beware unintended consequences of creating new incentives.

 

[metis]

If one reads the CBO report, there's more to the story of why they cite these figure, and some of the reason is actually quite positive for a segment of our society who will have the freedom to quite a job they may hate and more on to getting another job or starting their own business.

BTW, just to clear, as much as I feel the ACA is going in the right direction, I have been very critical of it, especially since I'm an adherent to the KISS approach.

 

[Revoltingest]

If one reads the CBO report, there's more to the story of why they cite these figure, and some of the reason is actually quite positive for a segment of our society who will have the freedom to quite a job they may hate and more on to getting another job or starting their own business.

This a most unexpected up side to Obamacare. Perhaps we should lower the min wage
so that segment of society will be inspired to get a better job or start a business, eh?

 

[esmith]

This a most unexpected up side to Obamacare. Perhaps we should lower the min wage so that segment of society will be inspired to get a better job or start a business, eh?

Just think about 2 years ago Nancy Pelosi knew all along about this when she said;

“You want to be a photographer or a writer or a musician, whatever — an artist, you want to be self-employed, if you want to start a business, you want to change jobs, you no longer are prohibited from doing that because you can’t have access to health care, especially because you do not want to put your family at risk,”

Just think of all those frustrated people that go on those TV shows dreaming to become the next great American talent and have their dreams dashed by reality, now under Obamacare they can chase those dreams. Just think, Obamacare is going to bring about that utopian society where you don't have to worry about making a living, Uncle Sugar is going to take care of you from cradle to grave. Just think no more worrying about climbing that ladder to better oneself, the government is there for you. Where else but a liberal-progressive society can one shuck of the mantel of hard work and responsibility and be assured that you do not have to worry.

Maybe a little too far overboard, but what the heck, if the Obama Administration can spin the CBO report into their favor I can do the opposite.

 

[Revoltingest]

Where else but a liberal-progressive society can one shuck of the mantel of hard work and responsibility and be assured that you do not have to worry.

But now we see the apparent argument that cutting back on employee hours will inspire
them to get a new job or start a business....because Obamacare wrecked their old job.

There must be something wrong with my inference because it's too ludicrous an idea for
even a Democratic apologist to float. But it's what I read in this discussion.

Maybe a little too far overboard, but what the heck, if the Obama Administration can spin the CBO report into their favor I can do the opposite.

Well, the CBO is right or wrong depending upon whether it serves or hurts Obamacare.

 

[Daemon Sophic]

Since the release of the CBO report, I have not been able to understand the right wingnuts "points" about it at all.
It has been clear all along that the CBO report was stating that those who would otherwise retire, but feared to, due to the resulting loss of insurance, will finally have the freedom to retire...rather than continue to be the disgruntled servants of their companies.
This is a win for those people, and their employers. PLUS those 2.1 million jobs will open up for incoming workers. The employment rate goes up. The economy goes up. Overall public happiness goes up (unless you're a neocon hack). The CBO report NEVER said that 2.1 million JOBS would be lost. :no: It stated that 2.1 million jobs will open up, because 2.1 million LABORERS will feel safe enough to retire.
No spin. Plain as day. End of story.

Difference Between Real News And "Spin" Brought To Light With CBO Report | Blog | Media Matters for America

 

[esmith]

Since the release of the CBO report, I have not been able to understand the right wingnuts "points" about it at all.
It has been clear all along that the CBO report was stating that those who would otherwise retire, but feared to, due to the resulting loss of insurance, will finally have the freedom to retire...rather than continue to be the disgruntled servants of their companies.
This is a win for those people, and their employers. PLUS those 2.1 million jobs will open up for incoming workers. The employment rate goes up. The economy goes up. Overall public happiness goes up (unless you're a neocon hack). The CBO report NEVER said that 2.1 million JOBS would be lost. :no: It stated that 2.1 million jobs will open up, because 2.1 million LABORERS will feel safe enough to retire.
No spin. Plain as day. End of story.

Now examine the following from CNN: Health law could mean fewer full-time workers, CBO says

Workers eligible to buy cheaper health insurance or receive financial incentives under the Affordable Care Act may choose to work fewer hours, according to a Congressional Budget Office report released Tuesday.
Those choices, the report said, may cut the number of full-time workers by 2.3 million people by 2021. CBO originally had estimated that 800,000 people may make those choices.
"By providing subsidies that decline with rising income (and increase with falling income), and by making some people financially better off, the Affordable Care Act will create an incentive for some people to work less," the report states. "The structure of the tax code — in which rising incomes push some people into higher tax brackets — will also reduce labor force participation slightly."

So if you are an ACA supporter you will spin it to say that there will be 2.3 million additional part time jobs available since 2.3 million full time workers will move to part time. Is this your point? So now, we have 2.3 million more people drawing health care subsidizes thus costing the taxpayers more money. Now, may I also ask where are the additional low paying 2.3 million part time jobs coming from. Are you hypothesizing that Joe Blow employee goes to his or her employer and says "I don't want to work full time, I only want to work part time". What do you think the response of the employer be? "Sure no problem", or "Either work the hours you were hired to work or go find another job"? I vote the second option.