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Darwin is tricky

Bishadi

Active Member
What on Earth are you talking about Bishadi...

Define heat?
Was my question and you said something of common sense but not of the science taught in today’s world.

So please if you are going to mirror today’s sciences then present what today’s math says, not what common sense tells us all.

Heat radiation is a particular wavelength
Oops. First mistake as from gamma all the way to the known radio; its all em (light) and that means; em is the energy ‘every time’ of all energy between mass.

Heat is that goof in the ‘electrical universe’ as it seems chemistry defines our elements combine by electron exchanges between the ‘shells’ of atoms. When in reality; that mass is simply increasing its mass with more energy (em) upon the mass (molecular structures). i.e… a rock with more ‘heat’ has greater potential than the same rock, cold. And E=mc2 also means mass ‘is’ potential in time as well it’s opposite ‘energy’ (light) is also mass exchanged in time.

Basic common sense and even a kid can figure that out but that is not what today’s chemistry suggests.

And heat; in your definition is simply a range, when the whole spectrum is that range; to the mass each affects. We only see a certain range but the area that is changing is to remove anything below H as the base constituent as nothing in this universe is separate from a base atom unless energy (em) cause it. Which means all them particles found (identified) in them accelerators ‘are’ created by the very experiment they are observing. Like shooting up fireworks and saying oooooh look at all the pretty colors but them pursuits use up more money and energy than many ‘whole countries’ do. A waste of resources.

And if you like to observe history find Einstein himself had no idea what an electron was and even said something to the effect, before building them machines, ‘I would like to know what an electron is’…… when asked if he thought if congress should approve the expense. I think I read that in 86…. While playing with Bohr and some of the firecracker stuff; what Lorenz shift shares that relativity is incorrect and the observance of fission proves it but do you know why? Because point particles less than an atoms are simply energy affixed in time with momentum.

The heat of an object is a manifestation of the kinetic energy of the constituent molecules or atoms.
That is pretty good but not how the sciences share ‘heat’ and that is the conflict; we as human being can understand the concept but the current observances in the sciences and ‘entropy’ …………. ruins the day. But most do not know this.


This is wiki………. “In a thermodynamic sense, heat is never regarded as being stored within a body. Like work, it exists only as energy in transit from one body to another; in thermodynamic terminology, between a system and its surroundings. When energy in the form of heat is added to a system, it is stored not as heat, but as kinetic and potential energy of the atoms and molecules making up the system.”

But then another says: …..”Heat is a form of energy possessed by a substance by virtue of the vibrational movement, i.e. kinetic energy, of its molecules or atoms. “

Then Maxwell; “In modern terms, heat is concisely defined as energy in transit. Scottish physicist James Clerk Maxwell, in his 1871 classic Theory of Heat, was one of the first to enunciate a modern definition of “heat”. In short, Maxwell outlined four stipulations on the definition of heat. One, it is “something which may be transferred from one body to another”, as per the second law of thermodynamics. Two, it can be spoken of as a “measurable quantity”, and thus treated mathematically like other measurable quantities. Three, it “can not be treated as a substance”; for it may be transformed into something which is not a substance, e.g. mechanical work. Lastly, it is “one of the forms of energy”. “

PER THE 2nd LAW OF what…. Entropy

Do the math; that is all I can say and then try and comprehend ‘heat’ in its true form. Em upon mass with momentum…. Which one is correct?

In biology chemistry suggests a’chemical reaction’ occurs and then x and y make u structure with ‘b’ amount of heat released. But do not recognize that ‘b’ is imposing to the environment causing c and d to react by the release for ‘their’ state. Meaning; each reaction becomes a catalyst to the neighborhood structure and this resonant energy released is more important than the molecular structures themselves. The energy is the gain, not the mass; as the energy is increasing its total potential upon mass; a complete opposite of an entropic system. Think of the golden ratio and how the mass ‘increases’ its attrition to capture more mass increasing the ‘life’ of the system. That is what life does; it can move and impose upon the environment to continue.

Chemistry is simply the science that explores how molecules and atoms interact with each other electrically.
and this is old school. Like water and oil; hydrophilic and hydrophobic these are ruined by simply addressing energy as it is; the opposing wavelength upon the mass will not associate. Like a badly tuned guitar or a well tuned guitar; the good will resonate and combine; the opposing is a mess; just like any person trying to understand life within the confined of either religion or the mess of today’s sciences.


You seem very confused...
nope….. well aware of just about every field of biology, chemistry, physics, molecular science, particle physics and to a level of understanding the math and application to the unversal equation


and did I leave anything out?

Oh yea… Freud………… “it’s mom’s fault”

Some people talk, some people do; this is all I do!

Been ‘doing’ for over 25 years and just coming out of the closet to give it all away for free.

Which nobel do you want? Or simply the answers are easy if the science is observed correctly; the rest is all about people with integrity to take the reins and run; but the first one who ‘sells’ or makes claim to be the first will be rudely awakened.
 

painted wolf

Grey Muzzle
Life converts chemical energy into mechanical energy.

That is why life obeys thermodynamics. It looses energy (heat) but takes in energy (food) thus the system remains in balance. The greater the mass of the animal the greater the need for chemical energy. The lower the metabolism the lower the need for chemical energy.

Photo and chemosynthesis do not break the second law of thermodynamics. The biomass of primary producers is always much higher than that of consumers and thermodynamics limits the number of consumer interactions you can have. (four I believe is the max)
There isn't enough stored chemical energy to drive a consumer above that level.
(wolves and lions are top level consumers for example)

Thermodynamics is of keen interest to biologists and those that study ecological interactions.

Just my 2 cents.
wa:do
 

Tau

Well-Known Member
Life converts chemical energy into mechanical energy.

That is why life obeys thermodynamics. It looses energy (heat) but takes in energy (food) thus the system remains in balance. The greater the mass of the animal the greater the need for chemical energy. The lower the metabolism the lower the need for chemical energy.

Photo and chemosynthesis do not break the second law of thermodynamics. The biomass of primary producers is always much higher than that of consumers and thermodynamics limits the number of consumer interactions you can have. (four I believe is the max)
There isn't enough stored chemical energy to drive a consumer above that level.
(wolves and lions are top level consumers for example)

Thermodynamics is of keen interest to biologists and those that study ecological interactions.

Just my 2 cents.
wa:do


Indeed.

The Sun is the sustainer of almost all life on this planet, the Sun is obeying the second law while it fuses hydrogen into helium and generates electromagnetic energy, this energy was converted from mass by thermonuclear reactions and it is this 'lost mass' energy that plants capture and use to combine CO2 and H2O into hydrocarbons.

The entropy of the Sun increases every second, it is slowly dispersing itself into outer space.....life depends upon it.
 
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Tau

Well-Known Member
Which nobel do you want? Or simply the answers are easy if the science is observed correctly; the rest is all about people with integrity to take the reins and run; but the first one who ‘sells’ or makes claim to be the first will be rudely awakened.

Hehe no thanks Bishadi.
 

Bishadi

Active Member
Life converts chemical energy into mechanical energy.
current paradigm and incorrect as the lost "heat" is simply left off the table in chemical definitions of metabolic systems, when reality shares many of the reactions are for that 'wavelength' to offer the catalyst for a neighborhoon structure.

to really observe a system of chemistry in relation to a QM system; find chemistry is a joke of the sciences......

ie.... every single atom that is elevated above a BEC (absolute cold) must have energy upon the structure; identify that energy?

That is why life obeys thermodynamics. It looses energy (heat) but takes in energy (food) thus the system remains in balance. The greater the mass of the animal the greater the need for chemical energy. The lower the metabolism the lower the need for chemical energy.
It is real easy to see how this is shared but what if it is incorrect? i.e.. measure a lbs of meat; count the joules of energy that pound of meat can offer. The convert to gas, put in motor and measure how much work can be done with that amount.

Now take that same pound of meat; feed to a wolf, and let him walk all over the measured 'work done' of the system of the motor.

Which is greater? Then in a physics constraint show us why?

How is it that a biological (life) entity can perform more work than then chemistry measured in joules/eV or what ever conversion you wish to use.

the truth is no where in all the sciences in current form can you answer that question.....

this simple reality will show how little is really understood about how life works...

in today's sciences!
 

Bishadi

Active Member
Indeed.

The Sun is the sustainer of almost all life on this planet, the Sun is obeying the second law while it fuses hydrogen into helium and generates electromagnetic energy, this energy was converted from mass by thermonuclear reactions and it is this 'lost mass' energy that plants capture and use to combine CO2 and H2O into hydrocarbons.

The entropy of the Sun increases every second, it is slowly dispersing itself into outer space.....life depends upon it.

but since entangled energy shares a momentum; then all light that interacts with mass is in reality imposing an entangled state to all mass that captures the energy.

So as you see one side (gravity causing fussion) but fail to recognize that all that light is entangling all mass that captures the energy......

Just like a huge cloud of dust floating in space; it takes energy to cause that mass to associate to even make the star in the first place..

or is that not important to observe?
 

painted wolf

Grey Muzzle
current paradigm and incorrect as the lost "heat" is simply left off the table in chemical definitions of metabolic systems, when reality shares many of the reactions are for that 'wavelength' to offer the catalyst for a neighborhoon structure.
Incorrect, biochemical definitions (at least the ones I learned in University) make a major point of heat loss in a metabolic process. Even plants produce heat as part of their metabolic activity. (though certainly not as much as animals) Thermal mass is a major consideration for conservation of heat, and has lead to major discussions on the nature of 'warm blooded-ness' in dinosaurs for instance. These issues are hardly ignored.

It is real easy to see how this is shared but what if it is incorrect? i.e.. measure a lbs of meat; count the joules of energy that pound of meat can offer. The convert to gas, put in motor and measure how much work can be done with that amount.
Find me a motor that has the same chemical capabilities as a living system and lets do it.
I'll have to dig out my bio texts and post the food conversion/metabolism equations, they are currently packed up for the summer. But, basically biochemists have already done this sort of work.

Which is greater? Then in a physics constraint show us why?
How is it that a biological (life) entity can perform more work than then chemistry measured in joules/eV or what ever conversion you wish to use.
Again find me a machine that has the chemical systems equivalent to a living system and we can do this. Living systems don't need to move heavy metal parts and are thus much more energy conscious. Nevertheless, some animals have such high metabolic activity that they must constantly feed or die. Shrews for example are hardly the best at retaining energy and loose it rapidly. If they go more than a few hours without food they will starve to death. Literally eating nearly their own weight in food every day.

the truth is no where in all the sciences in current form can you answer that question.....
Again, biochemistry and not comparing apples to automobiles.

this simple reality will show how little is really understood about how life works...
in today's sciences!
While I don't currently have all my rl resources on me, here is a wiki primer on metabolism, that I hope helps.
About 70% of a human's total energy expenditure is due to the basal life processes within the organs of the body (see table). About 20% of one's energy expenditure comes from physical activity and another 10% from thermogenesis, or digestion of food.[citation needed] All of these processes require an intake of oxygen along with coenzymes to provide energy for survival (usually from macronutrients like carbohydrates, fats, and proteins) and expel carbon dioxide, which is explained by the Krebs cycle.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basal_metabolic_rate
Respiratory quotient - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Kleiber's law - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

wa:do
 

Tau

Well-Known Member
Just like a huge cloud of dust floating in space; it takes energy to cause that mass to associate to even make the star in the first place..

The galactic gas clouds use gravitational energy to collapse into stars, the gravitational energy of the entire universe is equal to the mass/light energy of the universe, gravitational energy is negative while the latter is positive, thus the sum energy of the universe is equal to zero.

The universe cost zero energy to create therefore the laws of thermodynamics are preserved, particularly the 1st law.

The universe and all within it obey the 1st and 2nd law.

Quantum fluctuations of course can spontaneously generate matter and anti matter particles that annhilate instantaneosly, this happens (theoretically) near the event horizon of a black hole for example, sometimes one particle is spawned on one side of the horizon and its anti partner on the other, when this happens the matter particle escapes the black hole's gravity well and technically matter has been created from nothing until you realise that the anti matter particle that was also created falls into the black hole and annhilates an equal amount of black hole matter, making the black hole slightly less massive, the total mass energy of the universe is thus conserved, and in effect the black hole has emitted a particle, obeying the second law.
 
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Bishadi

Active Member
The galactic gas clouds use gravitational energy to collapse into stars, the gravitational energy of the entire universe is equal to the mass/light energy of the universe, gravitational energy is negative while the latter is positive, thus the sum energy of the universe is equal to zero.
See... this is what 'less than' current knowledge does....

Sorry you are incorrect; as the observances they see, do not fit what gravity shares and why dark energy/matter was 'created' to fix the mess. Look up Virial Theorem...

that attraction that is being observed is that energy, entangles the mass, based on the 'f' of the interacting wavelength. So the structures with greater entangled energy will exhibit a greater potential then one with less energy. Meaning; I can cause a greater potential between 2 plates in a casimir experiment based on the wavelength used. Simply this can can be proven experimentally yet dark energy/matter could never. (it don't exist)

The universe cost zero energy to create therefore the laws of thermodynamics are preserved, particularly the 1st law.
Conservation buddy, not thermodynamics... as thermodynamics represents that 'cooling' is eventual so the universe by this law; cannot sustain itself.
 

Bishadi

Active Member
current paradigm and incorrect as the lost "heat" is simply left off the table in chemical definitions of metabolic systems, when reality shares many of the reactions are for that 'wavelength' to offer the catalyst for a neighborhoon structure.
Incorrect, biochemical definitions (at least the ones I learned in University) make a major point of heat loss in a metabolic process.
then is that wavelength (temp) change illustrated as the causation of the next reaction in the chain?

answer yes or no!

Thermal mass is a major consideration for conservation of heat,
but not considered as the catalyst in the sequence; we all know to cause the single reaction a temp must be reached, but that chain of events does not measure as such but only observes the 'loss'........ this is simply a easy error to identify in chemical descriptions within metabolisms...... look for yourself and be honest about what you see.

It is real easy to see how this is shared but what if it is incorrect? i.e.. measure a lbs of meat; count the joules of energy that pound of meat can offer. The convert to gas, put in motor and measure how much work can be done with that amount.
Find me a motor that has the same chemical capabilities as a living system and lets do it.
Exactly.... you think today's chemistry can define the chain of events of a living metabolism or even a simply life, but cannot reproduce the actual chain of events representing the math of chemistry.

i.e.... ever wonder why they have no idea how phospholipid bilayers assemble?.... Because there is no place to observe resonate energy in chemistry.... why do you think QM was born?


the truth is no where in all the sciences in current form can you answer that question.....
Again, biochemistry and not comparing apples to automobiles.
My point being in chemistry they measure the potential by burning the sample and measuring the joules in heat; when in reality life is not burning the energy but converting the energy upon the structures to usable forms (wavelengths)......

For example; a fever is from the body increasing the temperature of the nuclear envelope of cells? Do you know why?

Because the proteins required to combat certain viruses cannot be built (within the nucleus) unless the environment (wavelength/heat) is raised.

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this simple reality will show how little is really understood about how life works...
in today's sciences!
 

Tau

Well-Known Member
Conservation buddy, not thermodynamics... as thermodynamics represents that 'cooling' is eventual so the universe by this law; cannot sustain itself.

My Dear Bishadi

The first law of thermodynamics is the conservation of energy LOL the second is entropy which you are dimly aware of.

This may help you!
1st Law of Thermodynamics

Incidently dark matter/energy is accounted for...enough of this waste of time.

Oh and yes the universe will expand forever and as the stars die all organic and even inorganic life will freeze to death until the very protons decay many trillions of years from now.

Later.
 
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Tau

Well-Known Member
For example; a fever is from the body increasing the temperature of the nuclear envelope of cells? Do you know why?

Because the proteins required to combat certain viruses cannot be built (within the nucleus) unless the environment (wavelength/heat) is raised.

LOL I am not a doctor nor even a mighty biologist (;)) but even I know that the body temperature is raised when the body is infected as an attempt by the body (immuno response) to destroy/impede pathogens, at higher temperatures some of these pathogens cannot metabolise, replicate or their proteins/enzymes are simply denatured.
 
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Bishadi

Active Member
My Dear Bishadi

The first law of thermodynamics is the conservation of energy LOL the second is entropy which you are dimly aware of.

This may help you!
1st Law of Thermodynamics
first, this 'i' has been in the math since a kid over 25 years back... you just reading interpretations...

just like this foolish comment below...

Incidently dark matter/energy is accounted for...enough of this waste of time.
You have no idea what 'created' the idea of dark matter in a mathematical frame. you be watching TV..... SO to you I will bet the middle east conflict is a war of compassion, when reality shares it was a business decision

Oh and yes the universe will expand forever and as the stars die all organic and even inorganic life will freeze to death until the very protons decay many trillions of years from now.
See what I mean.... you share will all this confidence but simply not even remotely aware of how it works...

now can every one see the damage selfish ignorance coupled with irresponsibility of publishing unsubstantiated material does to our developing minds..the children..?

:slap:
 
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Bishadi

Active Member
LOL I am not a doctor nor even a mighty biologist (;))
Then quit being a fool

but even I know that the body temperature is raised when the body is infected as an attempt by the body (immuno response) to destroy/impede pathogens,
Then which ones? What structure and not the cell but which protein does this and what chemical reaction is doing it, tell us exactly as your own doctor, professor or the Pope himself KNOWS them answers...

at higher temperatures some of these pathogens cannot metabolise, replicate or their proteins/enzymes are simply denatured.
so as you suggest philosophically ........ it's all a sort of revesed mechanism. So in your mind, our bodies just turn up the heat to simply prevent the metabolisms of the invader, rather than in reality structures are being catalized to combat.

then why do we take medicines? Why do we hit up a horse to make out anti-venom for snake bites?

Please spend more time at the learning or asking question because both your intelligence and integrity are collapsing by your ignorance responses.
 

painted wolf

Grey Muzzle
then is that wavelength (temp) change illustrated as the causation of the next reaction in the chain?

answer yes or no!
What reactions are you talking about? Cellular respiration, ATP synthesis, photosynthesis, krebs cycle, so on?

i.e.... ever wonder why they have no idea how phospholipid bilayers assemble?
Formation of Supported Phospholipid Bilayers on Molecular Surfaces: Role of Surface Charge Density and Electrostatic Interaction | Biophysical Journal | Find Articles at BNET
Phospholipid bilayer formation at Si surface
IngentaConnect Kinetics of formation of single phospholipid bilayers on self-***...
or if you want a simplified animated demonstration
http://telstar.ote.cmu.edu/Hughes/tutorial/cellmembranes/orient2.swf

hope this is helpful.

wa:do
 

painted wolf

Grey Muzzle
ps...

For example; a fever is from the body increasing the temperature of the nuclear envelope of cells? Do you know why?
actually fevers have many causes, from an inability to shed heat properly, metabolic activity, hypothalamus reactions and even cancer and a simple rash.
Your body temperature isn't constant.
Fever can increase the mobility of white blood cells and allow them to attack invasive phages. Among other things.

check out: Fever - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

wa:do
 

Tau

Well-Known Member
Then quit being a fool

Then which ones? What structure and not the cell but which protein does this and what chemical reaction is doing it, tell us exactly as your own doctor, professor or the Pope himself KNOWS them answers...

so as you suggest philosophically ........ it's all a sort of revesed mechanism. So in your mind, our bodies just turn up the heat to simply prevent the metabolisms of the invader, rather than in reality structures are being catalized to combat.

then why do we take medicines? Why do we hit up a horse to make out anti-venom for snake bites?

Please spend more time at the learning or asking question because both your intelligence and integrity are collapsing by your ignorance responses.

Don't call me a fool you tiresome self deluded old windbag.

What a joker....
 

Tau

Well-Known Member
first, this 'i' has been in the math since a kid over 25 years back... you just reading interpretations...

just like this foolish comment below...

You have no idea what 'created' the idea of dark matter in a mathematical frame. you be watching TV..... SO to you I will bet the middle east conflict is a war of compassion, when reality shares it was a business decision

See what I mean.... you share will all this confidence but simply not even remotely aware of how it works...

now can every one see the damage selfish ignorance coupled with irresponsibility of publishing unsubstantiated material does to our developing minds..the children..?

:slap:

You make me laugh Bishadi.

What planet are you from exactly?
 

Bishadi

Active Member
What reactions are you talking about? Cellular respiration, ATP synthesis, photosynthesis, krebs cycle, so on?
ATP is fine...

and be careful maybe look up some more material first

ATP Synthesis
ATP synthesis....
The central stalk rotates at about 50-100 times per second. During ATP synthesis, the rotation of the c-ring and attached central stalk (the rotor) is in the clockwise sense as viewed from the membrane (as in the movie). For more movies showing details of the rotary mechanism click here. The rotation is produced by passage of protons through Fo via a pathway adjacent to the rotating ring. They pass from the mitochondrial intermembrane space into the mitochondrial matrix (upwards in the movie).
The rotation of the central stalk in the bacterial enzyme has been observed directly by microscopy in the (αβ)3γ subcomplex in F1-ATPase and in the intact enzyme complex. Theoretical models of rotation have also been produced.

protons spinning the wheel... funny stuff!

its resonance and the hotter (higher wavelength) the faster it spins


Not even close.... its an old 06 pub,

"These studies point to the importance of surface-vesicle interactions, including van der Waals, electrostatic, hydration, and steric forces, in SPB formation. A number of studies have addressed mechanistic aspects of vesicle fusion and SPB formation by varying pH, ionic strength, charge contents in lipids, and the concentration of bivalent metal ions (Ca^sup 2+^ or Mg^sup 2+^) in solutions (6,12-14). Electrostatic interactions involving charged lipids (15), including the interaction between charged lipids and oppositely charged surfaces (6), are well known. However, little is known about the possible role of electrostatic forces for charge neutral lipids. ''''

They be guestimating...... chemistry will not share the 'mechanism'

they have no physics to back up this... .... it's normal and the rest of them links are focused on the channels which are stupid in itself when a resonance can convey a potential without 'plasma'.....

i.e.... what is plasma? A proton without an electron. Yes or no..... and to do that takes 13.6eV to remove the electron, everytime, for every one..... now imagine all them 'protons' doing what they say to them channels......... they would be boiling a cell
hope this is helpful.

wa:do

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