Darwin's Illusion

[YoursTrue]

Some of them are entertaining each other.

Yes I believe that.

Science is nearly as wondrous as nature itself sometimes but those who forget that it is founded in definitions and axioms use it improperly and are misled and at least partially blinded. They shrug off their ignorance, errors, and anomalies which are part of the wonder of nature like water off a duck's back. They see only what they believe.

Yup agreed. I learned this from a scientist who doesn't worship as I do but nevertheless he taught me that which you say. Thanks!

 

[YoursTrue]

Why are you afraid to learn? Let's say that there is a Christian God. Don't you think that he would want you to have the most accurate understanding of his universe possible?

He gives me what I need to know now. For instance, no matter what others believe, I have come to realize there IS NO burning hellfire that so called sinners will be tortured alive in forever. Any allusions that people may use as justification of that idea in the Bible must be looked at carefully in order to understand them.

 

[Subduction Zone]

He gives me what I need to know now. For instance, no matter what others believe, I have come to realize there IS NO burning hellfire that so called sinners will be tortured alive in forever. Any allusions that people may use as justification of that idea in the Bible must be looked at carefully in order to understand them.

And you reward him by calling him a liar? That is rather strange behavior on your part.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Some of them are entertaining each other.

Science is nearly as wondrous as nature itself sometimes but those who forget that it is founded in definitions and axioms use it improperly and are misled and at least partially blinded. They shrug off their ignorance, errors, and anomalies which are part of the wonder of nature like water off a duck's back. They see only what they believe.

Wow!! First class projection once again.

 

[YoursTrue]

And you reward him by calling him a liar? That is rather strange behavior on your part.

Again, I'm not going to explain it to you now but there is no burning hellfire where people are tortured forever. Proper understanding is necessary.
Put it succinctly, God did not tell Adam he would be tortured forever if he did what he should not have done. He simply told him that he would die. Now most of us would be a little concerned if we learned from a higher power that if we did what he didn't want us to do we would be tortured forever, don't you think? But Adam ate anyway, regardless of the specter of death threatened by the One he knew.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Again, I'm not going to explain it to you now but there is no burning hellfire where people are tortured forever. Proper understanding is necessary.
Put it succinctly, God did not tell Adam he would be tortured forever if he did what he should not have done. He simply told him that he would die. Now most of us would be a little concerned if we learned from a higher power that if we did what he didn't want us to do we would be tortured forever, don't you think? But Adam ate anyway, regardless of the specter of death threatened by the One he knew.

Your mythical beliefs about hell are not what we are talking about. Why are you running away? Do you know that you are wrong? It seems that way. Someone debating honestly does not act in this manner.

 

[YoursTrue]

Your mythical beliefs about hell are not what we are talking about. Why are you running away? Do you know that you are wrong? It seems that way. Someone debating honestly does not act in this manner.

You don't get it yet. According to what you were taught about God or think from your understanding of what the Bible says, isn't hell(fire) in your idea part of death? I mean death is death, is it not? So why be concerned about what you don't like or believe in anyway. You don't debate honestly, and that's honestly how it is. Stick to why you think God is evil if He has the power of life and death. It doesn't matter if or why you believe it, but honest -- your view doesn't make sense anyway -- since you don't think death by evolution or included in evolution or included in the life process (HOWEVER YOU WANT TO LOOK AT IT) is evil. OK? How about it? Be honest.-
Evolution has death in its path. (Not evil because it's not a person.)
A person imposing death for everyone after Adam and including Adadm who is a sinner is evil. Because ?? why again??

 

[Subduction Zone]

You don't get it yet. According to what you were taught about God or think from your understanding of what the Bible says, isn't hell(fire) in your idea part of death? I mean death is death, is it not? So why be concerned about what you don't like or believe in anyway. You don't debate honestly, and that's honestly how it is. Stick to why you think God is evil if He has the power of life and death. It doesn't matter if or why you believe it, but honest -- your view doesn't make sense anyway -- since you don't think death by evolution or included in evolution or included in the life process (HOWEVER YOU WANT TO LOOK AT IT) is evil. OK? How about it? Be honest.-
Evolution has death in its path. (Not evil because it's not a person.)
A person imposing death for everyone after Adam and including Adadm who is a sinner is evil. Because ?? why again??

No, you don't get it. It is not "what I was taught". We are dealing with what the book says. Now you may misinterpret it. But you really cannot justify your misinterpretation. And since you know that you lose the argument when one reads the Bible and see that it does portray God as both evil and incompetent you have to desperately try to change the argument. Hell does not matter. Well it odes, the Bible does support a torturous end to nonbelievers at best. The Bible is evil in that sense as well. Any attempts to read the Bible literally portrays an evil God. And that is because as a people our morals have improved over the years. Back then people did not see that treating one's enemy in horrendous ways was immoral. And their religions usually reflect that.

It is a pity that you cannot understand your own holy book due to the misinformation from your own sect.

 

[YoursTrue]

No, you don't get it. It is not "what I was taught". We are dealing with what the book says. Now you may misinterpret it. But you really cannot justify your misinterpretation. And since you know that you lose the argument when one reads the Bible and see that it does portray God as both evil and incompetent you have to desperately try to change the argument. Hell does not matter. Well it odes, the Bible does support a torturous end to nonbelievers at best. The Bible is evil in that sense as well. Any attempts to read the Bible literally portrays an evil God. And that is because as a people our morals have improved over the years. Back then people did not see that treating one's enemy in horrendous ways was immoral. And their religions usually reflect that.

It is a pity that you cannot understand your own holy book due to the misinformation from your own sect.

What the pity is that you still believe lava is not sediment and cannot justify your opinions. Hope things get better for you.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

More evidence in support of the theory of evolution.

Evolution of immune genes is associated with the Black Death - Nature
Using genetic data this article reports research that demonstrates how ancient pandemics--incidentally a description of how far a disease is spreading and not whether it produces mortality or not--have directed the evolution of our immune systems.

https://royalsocietypublishing.org/doi/full/10.1098/rstb.2020.0518
This article presents a sound argument in support of increased understanding of brain and nervous system evolution in neuroscience.

https://www.science.org/doi/full/10.1126/science.abk0853
In this paper, it is demonstrated how contemporary (happening in populations now) adaptive change effects population dynamics indicating that natural selection can have a mitigating effect on contemporary environmental changes.

I could go on and on adding to the list of papers that support the theory of evolution despite the claims of others that no such evidence exists. This is just a few examples of many from a simple search of recent reports.

What I see from participating in this thread is that the challenge of the OP was met, defeated and science continues on despite the efforts to wish it away through arguments from ignorance, personal incredulity, pseudoscience and quote mining.

 

[Subduction Zone]

What the pity is that you still believe lava is not sediment and cannot justify your opinions. Hope things get better for you.

That is because I know what sediment is and you do not. I gave you the definition more than once. Lava does not meet that definition.

Why are you so desperate to call lava sediment? Please answer the question.

 

[Subduction Zone]

More evidence in support of the theory of evolution.

Evolution of immune genes is associated with the Black Death - Nature
Using genetic data this article reports research that demonstrates how ancient pandemics--incidentally a description of how far a disease is spreading and not whether it produces mortality or not--have directed the evolution of our immune systems.

https://royalsocietypublishing.org/doi/full/10.1098/rstb.2020.0518
This article presents a sound argument in support of increased understanding of brain and nervous system evolution in neuroscience.

https://www.science.org/doi/full/10.1126/science.abk0853
In this paper, it is demonstrated how contemporary (happening in populations now) adaptive change effects population dynamics indicating that natural selection can have a mitigating effect on contemporary environmental changes.

I could go on and on adding to the list of papers that support the theory of evolution despite the claims of others that no such evidence exists. This is just a few examples of many from a simple search of recent reports.

What I see from participating in this thread is that the challenge of the OP was met, defeated and science continues on despite the efforts to wish it away through arguments from ignorance, personal incredulity, pseudoscience and quote mining.

Yes, but weren't the dead still dead?

Checkmate!!!

 

[Dan From Smithville]

Yes, but weren't the dead still dead?

Checkmate!!!

I don't even want to go on another excursion into the incomprehensible and diversionary. It is enough to know that I was right.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

That is because I know what sediment is and you do not. I gave you the definition more than once. Lava does not meet that definition.

Why are you so desperate to call lava sediment? Please answer the question.

Wouldn't it only be the igneous rock, rubble, gravel and sand that have become sedimentary and why does it matter? What has caused this to become the horse to beat after death?

 

[Subduction Zone]

Wouldn't it only be the igneous rock, rubble, gravel and sand that have become sedimentary and why does it matter? What has caused this to become the horse to beat after death?

I think that she is looking for a loophole when it comes to dating sedimentary layers. I am betting that she wants to claim that lava is sedimentary and that it cannot be dated absolutely.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

I think that she is looking for a loophole when it comes to dating sedimentary layers. I am betting that she wants to claim that lava is sedimentary and that it cannot be dated absolutely.

I see. Redefine terms to fit preconceived views. That's consistent with other efforts I've seen here trying to redefine speciation and bottlenecks among others.

Nothing to interest me, but good luck with it.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I see. Redefine terms to fit preconceived views. That's consistent with other efforts I've seen here trying to redefine speciation and bottlenecks among others.

Nothing to interest me, but good luck with it.

I know, it is rather hopeless. I do not understand why people think that it is okay to defend your deity. If your deity needs defending it is not a deity.

 

[blü 2]

"All humans reason circularly all the time and as proof I offer the simple facts that all Peers agree, science changes one funeral at a time, and only experiment can stop our circular reasoning."

And not one believer tried and understood this simple sentence.

This is proof that we are homo rationatio circularis and it is invisible because we all believe we already know everything; homo omnisciencis.

I think the correct expression here is, "In a pig's eye".

If it suits you to believe that all reasoning is circular ─ and knowing your antipathy to reason, I have no doubt it does ─ then who am I to stand in your way?

Meanwhile the rational world will continue to think about things reasonably while your particular world will be undisturbed. You're always welcome to cross the bridge, and embrace reason, but meanwhile ...

 

[blü 2]

Many Peers believe universes spring from nothing.

Really? Name four scientists of repute who "believe universes spring from nothing".

 

[exchemist]

If yoy

What the pity is that you still believe lava is not sediment and cannot justify your opinions. Hope things get better for you.

Anyone who thinks lava is sediment has to be a moron incapable of reading. I do not believe you genuinely think that.

But just in case you actually do, lava is an extrusive igneous rock, as can easily be verified with a 2 minute internet search: Volcanic Landforms: Extrusive Igneous - Geology (U.S. National Park Service)

(”igneous”, by definition means not sedimentary: The Rock Cycle)

There really is no excuse for you to take part in a discussion like this without making any effort make rudimentary checks for yourself. To go on as you are, feigning selective ignorance and stupidity on such an epic scale, amounts to trolling, in my view.