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Darwin's Illusion
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YoursTrue
Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
I'm not speaking of the theory of intelligent design. Don't you believe that humans evolved from fish ?
YoursTrue
Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
Who's talking about that? Scientists says that humans likely came from fish. We're more like primitive fishes than once believed, new research shows.
YoursTrue
Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
Here's more of what you call dribble from scientists. "is nothing new about humans and all other vertebrates having evolved from fish. The conventional understanding has been that certain fish shimmied landwards roughly 370 million years ago as primitive, lizard-like animals known as tetrapods. According to this understanding, our fish ancestors came out from water to land by converting their fins to limbs and breathing under water to air-breathing." You can read more at Sciencedaily.com. We're more like primitive fishes than once believed, new research shows.
What are you talking about? You have previously stated you do not believe knowledge of science is necessary, and you also stated you believe the literal interpretation of the Bible is all you believe. Why do you carry this charade any further with the misrepresentation of scientific references?
The source you cited is accurate, but you chose to misrepresent it with intentional ignorance and an ancient mythical Biblical agenda.
The complete citation explains far more about the scientific evidence behind the evolution from fish to amphibians to land animals to mammals to humans by the objectively verifiable evidence,
We're more like primitive fishes than once believed, new research shows
Lungs and limbs have been thought of as key innovations that came with the vertebrate transition from water to land. But in fact, the genetic basis of air-breathing and limb movement was already established in our fish ancestor 50 million years earlier, according to a recent genome mapping of...
www.sciencedaily.com
"There is nothing new about humans and all other vertebrates having evolved from fish. The conventional understanding has been that certain fish shimmied landwards roughly 370 million years ago as primitive, lizard-like animals known as tetrapods. According to this understanding, our fish ancestors came out from water to land by converting their fins to limbs and breathing underwater to air-breathing.
However, limbs and lungs are not innovations that appeared as recently as once believed. Our common fish ancestor that lived 50 million years before the tetrapod first came ashore already carried the genetic codes for limb-like forms and air breathing needed for landing. These genetic codes are still present in humans and a group of primitive fishes.
This has been demonstrated by recent genomic research conducted by the University of Copenhagen and its partners. The new research reports that the evolution of these ancestral genetic codes might have contributed to the vertebrate water-to-land transition, which changes the traditional view of the sequence and timeline of this big evolutionary jump. The study has been published in the scientific journal Cell.
"The water-to-land transition is a major milestone in our evolutionary history. The key to understanding how this transition happened is to reveal when and how the lungs and limbs evolved. We are now able to demonstrate that the genetic basis underlying these biological functions occurred much earlier before the first animals came ashore," stated by professor and lead author Guojie Zhang, from Villum Centre for Biodiversity Genomics, at the University of Copenhagen's Department of Biology.
A group of ancient living fishes might hold the key to explaining how the tetrapod ultimately could grow limbs and breathe on air. The group of fishes includes the bichir that lives in shallow freshwater habitats in Africa. These fishes differ from most other extant bony fishes by carrying traits that our early fish ancestors might have had over 420 million years ago. And the same traits are also present in for example humans. Through genomic sequencing, the researchers found that the genes needed for the development of lungs and limbs have already appeared in these primitive species."
And this and your next message still don't answer the actual question I asked. Your misunderstanding of the theory of evolution is not evidence for an intelligent creator.
YoursTrue
Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
I cited it as promoted by scientists. You fail to acknowledge that humans are supposed to have evolved from fish. Anatomical clues to human evolution from fish
So if you don't believe the theor(ies) of evolution, then what do you believe?
Anatomical clues to human evolution from fish (bbc)
(Article cited from bbc)
YoursTrue
Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
I never said your misunderstanding of what I believe was evidence for an intelligent creator. So please just stick to what scientists are saying now that it seems likely that humans evolved from fish.
Why are you going on about fish again! You said there's an intelligence guiding life on earth. I asked for your evidence of the intelligence. So far you haven't attempted to answer.
We and several other people went through it. You eventually said goodbye. The fish are over, you ended it, get over your fish fetish and share your evidence for an intelligent creator.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
There is no theory of intelligent design.
YoursTrue
Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
why should I when it's obvious that scientists are figuring that humans evolved from -- fish. Maybe they'll rescind that part of the theory eventually. You can always say goodbye and stop trying to tell me that scientists are now conjecturing that humans evolved from fish. Why not?
YoursTrue
Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
Oh ... you want the idea that there's an intelligence guiding evolution from fish to humans maybe? Sorry, but can't give you one...and I reiterate for your perusal that scientists are now saying the humans evidently evolved from .. fish. ok. no problem.
YoursTrue
Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
I looked at it again and see that humans are now said to have evolved from fish. I figure you believe that.
You should because several people have explained it to you. You should because you said you were done goodbye, you should because I'm bored of your fish fetish and want to hear about the evidence for an intelligent creator hopefully with an intelligent response that addresses your claim.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
Why are you so obsessed that a very very very distant ancestor was a fish. Please do not compare it to modern fish. That would be a hug mistake.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
Here is a good article on the transition from "fish" to tetrapods:
evolution-outreach.biomedcentral.com
And of course there is acanthostega:
en.wikipedia.org
About as transitional as they get.
The Fish–Tetrapod Transition: New Fossils and Interpretations - Evolution: Education and Outreach
Our information on the transition between fish with fins and tetrapods with limbs and digits has increased manyfold in the last 15–20 years and especially in the last 5 or 10 years, with some spectacular finds of new material. Some of these include new tetrapod-like fish and very primitive...
And of course there is acanthostega:
Acanthostega - Wikipedia
About as transitional as they get.
As posted . . .
Yes, evolution over billions of years from single-celled microorganisms to the present diversity of life including humans is the overwhelming view without question for 95%+ of all scientists in the fields related to evolution based on the overwhelming objective verifiable evidence.
ALL life on earth evolved and is related.
you also need help with English.
YoursTrue
Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
So humans did or did not evolve from fish? It's kind of like a yes or no answer...shouldn't be too complicated. It's either, yes, humans evolved from fish, or no, they did not evolve from fish.
Shouldn't be complicated...