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Darwin's Illusion

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
Lol you guys are funny. You will even deny the theory of evolution if you have to. Very good.
 

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
Yes, evolution over billions of years from single-celled microorganisms to the present diversity of life including humans is the overwhelming view without question for 95%+ of all scientists in the fields related to evolution based on the overwhelming objective verifiable evidence.

Intelligent Design is not accepted by the overwhelming majority of scientists, because it is not possible to falsify a hypothesis supporting ID. The Discovery Institute has spent millions of donations over many years and has failed to falsify any hypothesis to support the money they spent.
I'm not speaking of the theory of intelligent design. Don't you believe that humans evolved from fish ?
 

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
I've heard your fish dribble 1,000 times before and answered it. What I asked was evidence for your alleged intelligent creator. If you have none just say so and we can move on, if you do have some then answer my question and I can look at it.
Here's more of what you call dribble from scientists. "is nothing new about humans and all other vertebrates having evolved from fish. The conventional understanding has been that certain fish shimmied landwards roughly 370 million years ago as primitive, lizard-like animals known as tetrapods. According to this understanding, our fish ancestors came out from water to land by converting their fins to limbs and breathing under water to air-breathing." You can read more at Sciencedaily.com. We're more like primitive fishes than once believed, new research shows.
 

shunyadragon

shunyadragon
Premium Member
Who's talking about that? Scientists says that humans likely came from fish. We're more like primitive fishes than once believed, new research shows.

What are you talking about? You have previously stated you do not believe knowledge of science is necessary, and you also stated you believe the literal interpretation of the Bible is all you believe. Why do you carry this charade any further with the misrepresentation of scientific references?

The source you cited is accurate, but you chose to misrepresent it with intentional ignorance and an ancient mythical Biblical agenda.

The complete citation explains far more about the scientific evidence behind the evolution from fish to amphibians to land animals to mammals to humans by the objectively verifiable evidence,


"There is nothing new about humans and all other vertebrates having evolved from fish. The conventional understanding has been that certain fish shimmied landwards roughly 370 million years ago as primitive, lizard-like animals known as tetrapods. According to this understanding, our fish ancestors came out from water to land by converting their fins to limbs and breathing underwater to air-breathing.

However, limbs and lungs are not innovations that appeared as recently as once believed. Our common fish ancestor that lived 50 million years before the tetrapod first came ashore already carried the genetic codes for limb-like forms and air breathing needed for landing. These genetic codes are still present in humans and a group of primitive fishes.

This has been demonstrated by recent genomic research conducted by the University of Copenhagen and its partners. The new research reports that the evolution of these ancestral genetic codes might have contributed to the vertebrate water-to-land transition, which changes the traditional view of the sequence and timeline of this big evolutionary jump. The study has been published in the scientific journal Cell.

"The water-to-land transition is a major milestone in our evolutionary history. The key to understanding how this transition happened is to reveal when and how the lungs and limbs evolved. We are now able to demonstrate that the genetic basis underlying these biological functions occurred much earlier before the first animals came ashore," stated by professor and lead author Guojie Zhang, from Villum Centre for Biodiversity Genomics, at the University of Copenhagen's Department of Biology.

A group of ancient living fishes might hold the key to explaining how the tetrapod ultimately could grow limbs and breathe on air. The group of fishes includes the bichir that lives in shallow freshwater habitats in Africa. These fishes differ from most other extant bony fishes by carrying traits that our early fish ancestors might have had over 420 million years ago. And the same traits are also present in for example humans. Through genomic sequencing, the researchers found that the genes needed for the development of lungs and limbs have already appeared in these primitive species."
 

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
And this and your next message still don't answer the actual question I asked. Your misunderstanding of the theory of evolution is not evidence for an intelligent creator.
I cited it as promoted by scientists. You fail to acknowledge that humans are supposed to have evolved from fish. Anatomical clues to human evolution from fish
So if you don't believe the theor(ies) of evolution, then what do you believe?

Anatomical clues to human evolution from fish (bbc)​

(Article cited from bbc)
 

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
And this and your next message still don't answer the actual question I asked. Your misunderstanding of the theory of evolution is not evidence for an intelligent creator.
I never said your misunderstanding of what I believe was evidence for an intelligent creator. So please just stick to what scientists are saying now that it seems likely that humans evolved from fish.
 

John53

I go leaps and bounds
Premium Member
I never said your misunderstanding of what I believe was evidence for an intelligent creator. So please just stick to what scientists are saying now that it seems likely that humans evolved from fish.

Why are you going on about fish again! You said there's an intelligence guiding life on earth. I asked for your evidence of the intelligence. So far you haven't attempted to answer.
 

John53

I go leaps and bounds
Premium Member
I cited it as promoted by scientists. You fail to acknowledge that humans are supposed to have evolved from fish. Anatomical clues to human evolution from fish
So if you don't believe the theor(ies) of evolution, then what do you believe?

Anatomical clues to human evolution from fish (bbc)​

(Article cited from bbc)

We and several other people went through it. You eventually said goodbye. The fish are over, you ended it, get over your fish fetish and share your evidence for an intelligent creator.
 

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
We and several other people went through it. You eventually said goodbye. The fish are over, you ended it, get over your fish fetish and share your evidence for an intelligent creator.
why should I when it's obvious that scientists are figuring that humans evolved from -- fish. Maybe they'll rescind that part of the theory eventually. You can always say goodbye and stop trying to tell me that scientists are now conjecturing that humans evolved from fish. Why not?
 

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
Why are you going on about fish again! You said there's an intelligence guiding life on earth. I asked for your evidence of the intelligence. So far you haven't attempted to answer.
Oh ... you want the idea that there's an intelligence guiding evolution from fish to humans maybe? Sorry, but can't give you one...and I reiterate for your perusal that scientists are now saying the humans evidently evolved from .. fish. ok. no problem.
 

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
We and several other people went through it. You eventually said goodbye. The fish are over, you ended it, get over your fish fetish and share your evidence for an intelligent creator.
I looked at it again and see that humans are now said to have evolved from fish. I figure you believe that.
 

John53

I go leaps and bounds
Premium Member
why should I when it's obvious that scientists are figuring that humans evolved from -- fish. Maybe they'll rescind that part of the theory eventually. You can always say goodbye and stop trying to tell me that scientists are now conjecturing that humans evolved from fish. Why not?

You should because several people have explained it to you. You should because you said you were done goodbye, you should because I'm bored of your fish fetish and want to hear about the evidence for an intelligent creator hopefully with an intelligent response that addresses your claim.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
I never said your misunderstanding of what I believe was evidence for an intelligent creator. So please just stick to what scientists are saying now that it seems likely that humans evolved from fish.

why should I when it's obvious that scientists are figuring that humans evolved from -- fish. Maybe they'll rescind that part of the theory eventually. You can always say goodbye and stop trying to tell me that scientists are now conjecturing that humans evolved from fish. Why not?

Why are you so obsessed that a very very very distant ancestor was a fish. Please do not compare it to modern fish. That would be a hug mistake.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Here is a good article on the transition from "fish" to tetrapods:


And of course there is acanthostega:


About as transitional as they get.
 

shunyadragon

shunyadragon
Premium Member
I'm not speaking of the theory of intelligent design. Don't you believe that humans evolved from fish ?

As posted . . .

Yes, evolution over billions of years from single-celled microorganisms to the present diversity of life including humans is the overwhelming view without question for 95%+ of all scientists in the fields related to evolution based on the overwhelming objective verifiable evidence.

ALL life on earth evolved and is related.
 

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
You should because several people have explained it to you. You should because you said you were done goodbye, you should because I'm bored of your fish fetish and want to hear about the evidence for an intelligent creator hopefully with an intelligent response that addresses your claim.
So humans did or did not evolve from fish? It's kind of like a yes or no answer...shouldn't be too complicated. It's either, yes, humans evolved from fish, or no, they did not evolve from fish. :) Shouldn't be complicated...
 
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