Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
Not even close to being the same thing. But then you do not understand the science involved.
One question, are you willing to learn?
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One question, are you willing to learn?
Unveiled Artist
Veteran Member
I don't know about this topic but here is some info I found when I visited this museum.
Human Evolution | Smithsonian National Museum of Natural History
Humans are primates. Physical and genetic similarities show that the modern human species, Homo sapiens, has a very close relationship to another group of primate species, the apes. Modern humans and the great apes (large apes) of Africa – chimpanzees (including bonobos, or so-called “pygmy chimpanzees”) and gorillas – share a common ancestor that lived between 8 and 6 million years ago.
The Origins of Life | Science | Smithsonian Magazine
The Ocean Throughout Geologic Time, An Image Gallery
Human Evolution | Smithsonian National Museum of Natural History
Humans are primates. Physical and genetic similarities show that the modern human species, Homo sapiens, has a very close relationship to another group of primate species, the apes. Modern humans and the great apes (large apes) of Africa – chimpanzees (including bonobos, or so-called “pygmy chimpanzees”) and gorillas – share a common ancestor that lived between 8 and 6 million years ago.
The Origins of Life | Science | Smithsonian Magazine
The Ocean Throughout Geologic Time, An Image Gallery
McBell
Unbound
Your dislike of the fact that you, just like me and everyone else, are classified as great apes has absolutely no bearing on the fact that you, just like me and every one else, are a great ape.
Now sinc you appear to be much more interested in being insulted than in learning anything.....
Loaai
A Logical Scientific Philosopher.
You believe you were an Ape, this is considered an hypothesis because it's till not 100% verified that's why I will never learn anything about the details of this study because it's fundamentally wrong if you believe in God! If you don't then you don't believe in creation and take this hypothesis for granted. As long as you don't believe in God you won't understand.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
Wrong again, I know. There is a difference between knowledge and belief. You only have mere belief because you do not understand the science. It is rather rude to accuse others of your own shortcomings.
And if you believe in God why do you believe that God lies?
Loaai
A Logical Scientific Philosopher.
That's where you are incorrect. It was never a fact that any human being was any kind of an Ape. It's still not verified and you cannot use this expression on human beings, and if you learn that YOU were a great Ape then again talk about yourself because your are the only one who is being insulted!
Bear Wild
Well-Known Member
Correction man created gods and goddesses. Humans (and from all evidence available about how social brains work the could be occurring in other animals as more evidence accumulates) project anthropomorphic attributes to other living and non-living things. In order to deal with questions that humans could not answer and to help with social control humans anthropomorphized characteristics to a being they cannot see, demonstrate or show evidence for but which created answers that decreased stress and anxiety which is beneficial for survival.
As humans learned more there became less and less need for an anthropomorphized supernatural being to explain things. The theory of evolution so eloquently started by Darwin has grown and expanded finally explaining the nature of life in this world. Recently the science of psychiatry and psychology have embraced evolutionary theory rethinking what psychological disorders are with improved treatment.
Humans are hear not by coincidence but by a long process of genetic and epigenetic changes conferring advantages to survival just as all other life on this planet has, each in their own way special.
And it is time to lose the Him and his, it should be her and hers, or him and her instead.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
What makes you think that it has not been verified? Seriously you have no science education so you would not know how certain claims are verified in the sciences.
You previously said that you were not interested in learning. If you refuse to learn you are in no position to judge.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
What makes you think that believers in God cannot accept reality? Most Christians do accept the theory of evolution worldwide. I am not sure what percentage of Muslims accept it, but it has to be a good sized fraction. Muslims used to be pro science many years ago.
EDIT: About 45% of Muslims accept evolution as well:
Level of support for evolution - Wikipedia
Sounds to me like you don't know what the definition of ape is, so are creating your own definition then saying humans are not that.
So why don't we start by learning what an ape actually is so that we can reach a common definition based on which we can then collectively agree whether humans are apes or not.
Loaai
A Logical Scientific Philosopher.
Just explain to me why are human being are the only people who can debate with each other on forums right now! why isn't there elephants or ants or cats that can do this? this "long process of genetic and epigenetic changes" why did it happen only for humans?
Yes me, although as I explained in an earlier post I don't believe in God as a physical creator.
McBell
Unbound
Except that I am not incorrect.
*yawn*
Perhaps after you calm down we can continue discourse.
Of course, you have much to learn before you can be taken seriously on the topic.
Now with your flat out admitting you prefer to remain grossly ignorant on the topic....
Bear Wild
Well-Known Member
You need to learn some basic biology!. Humans are apes plan and simple unless you think you are some kind of alien from a different planet. It has been verified genetically without any questions left. TO say otherwise is ignorance of reality and an insult to life itself. Just because you want to think yourself as "special and above all other life is" is to ignore reality and remain in pure fantasy world.
Loaai
A Logical Scientific Philosopher.
I'm not one of the 45% even though some accept it, majority still doubt and will still insist on that we were created by a creator, not evolved through medium
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
Why are elephants the only animals with ginormous ears? Your question is rather pointless. Intelligence is a very recent evolutionary development, and it is not a goal. Many people that do not understand the theory of evolution believe that there is some sort of goal involved. Intelligence is not a goal, it is a result.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
And in this case the majority of Muslims are demonstrably wrong. But as long as you refuse to learn you will only be whistling in the dark.
McBell
Unbound
Yeah.
We gathered that from your OP
Bear Wild
Well-Known Member
You really do not have any understanding of neurology do you. First you cannot say that elephants do not have debates about what to do in their own form of communication. Apes can operate computers to play games. But the neurological structures and pathways in all of the apes is more similar than different just more advanced in humans. That does not make us separate from apes.