Darwin's Theory | True?

[Bear Wild]

Just explain to me why are human being are the only people who can debate with each other on forums right now! why isn't there elephants or ants or cats that can do this? this "long process of genetic and epigenetic changes" why did it happen only for humans?

The long process of genetics and epigenetics is not just happening to humans, it is happening to all life with different outcomes. So your statement is false.

 

[Loaai]

Except that I am not incorrect.


*yawn*
Perhaps after you calm down we can continue discourse.
Of course, you have much to learn before you can be taken seriously on the topic.
Now with your flat out admitting you prefer to remain grossly ignorant on the topic....

You need to learn some basic biology!. Humans are apes plan and simple unless you think you are some kind of alien from a different planet. It has been verified genetically without any questions left. TO say otherwise is ignorance of reality and an insult to life itself. Just because you want to think yourself as "special and above all other life is" is to ignore reality and remain in pure fantasy world.

And in this case the majority of Muslims are demonstrably wrong. But as long as you refuse to learn you will only be whistling in the dark.

Final words to all of you, creation is the only thing that existed, and the coming days shall prove that all these evolution theories by random scientists are incorrect.

 

[McBell]

Final words to all of you, creation is the only thing that existed, and the coming days shall prove that all these evolution theories by random scientists are incorrect.

Please be sure to send me a memo, or perhaps start a new thread, when that happens.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Final words to all of you, creation is the only thing that existed, and the coming days shall prove that all these evolution theories by random scientists are incorrect.

LOL, bold words coming from someone that is too afraid to learn.

Tell me, why do you think that Allah is a liar?

 

[Bear Wild]

Final words to all of you, creation is the only thing that existed, and the coming days shall prove that all these evolution theories by random scientists are incorrect.

Yes those should be your final words because you have no evidence for what you say and evidently have little to know understanding of evolution only opinion. I love the "the coming days" threat that those who believe in evolution will be proven incorrect. The belief in creation by a god has long been shown not to be true. Your fairy tale has been replaced but an amazing evolutionary developed brain that finally is starting to understand this world and leave the fairy tales behind.

 

[rational experiences]

The holy see. No man is God.

Vision. To think envision. Discuss and claim discuss Sion. Conditions science only.

Sion. The effects of life sacrificed after ground dust fission.

Human baby life. Genetics. Only owned in the living body. Living presence human. Human DNA. Left. It existed from existing.

Science thesis thinking upon reference when ground water evaporates. Ice. The year end baby and animal stable continuance gone. Left. Holy life bio sacrificed.

Cloud mass great amassing instead. Lots of flooding. Activated cause natural disasters.

Science teaching. We became ape like. Today in life some humans very bodily hairy like an ape. One effect. Skull bones mutated. Face looks ape like or Neanderthal.

Right here. Right now. Same bio human body effect. To mutate.

Same ancient effect.

When you say God. You think science. Ends with earth products. A human changing those products. No man is God.

God theists self powerful by thoughts claimed patterns on the ground are O God beginnings for all life. The cell explanation today.

Placed with a pattern alien. A body form.

Yet humans living only owning 100 years self presence talk about conditions when no human existed.

Ground mass. Ground state. Reason in science for presence image. Owning no human life in information.

Claim beginning. Which is for a reaction cause. Owning beginning and end.

Hence they claim all bodies came from an alien. All form in that thesis. As entity first.

God historic earth irradiated converted. Mass. Mass cooled by atmospheric water mass. Not a human beginning. Mass changing its own beginning.

Ask who is changing mass. Human scientist with machine is.

Water and light already existed. Even before ground fission.

Water saved the earth. Sealed it. Why water is used today in science fission cooling.

Microbe bacterias in water got sealed inside stone. Microbes pre existed reactive mass change.

Science we live inside water mass not stone seal.

Today multi massive diverse bodies live above ground inside water. Living in the same moment. Now. Yet a human existing for the same day 100 times over falsified one day informed.

No man is God.

Ask where we came from. The mind says when water changed. Water does not change. That is a coercive lie.

Science said stone. Presence owned no cosmic thesis begin. It's form highest life support. Stone is that quote

No end. If you end stone you get hole.

A human never began except in sex. Science thinking small bodies in self concept. Human bodies only.

A human never ended. Consciousness goes to sleep. The body removed itself from living.

So we know the atmosphere only supports survival. Same living conditions removed life.

We teach by envisioned reasoning. Life therefore historic owns no beginning nor end.

Scientific observation self fact. To see in a thesis without lying egotistically our owned teaching for life continuance against egotistically false human life status.

Science never owned identification about where the highest beginning changed. In a cosmic thinking idea.

It does however claim like a spiritual thinker that it's mass converted body had to have been released from the same body owning human released presence. By scientific reasons.

As we are not invented by another human thinking upon our presence we know we are a spirit being who entered the atmospheric body. After all God owned creation existed.

Teaching. No man is God.

Inventors for machine theories string information non actual from a ground state change to a sealed earth. Try to preach humans are the seal today because we live inside water also.

God the earth was sealed by water.

If a thinker claims similar thinking to a spiritual mind. And we do not theory strings to self. Then a machine reaction. Then a self argument exists.

Theorising only. Not facts.

A spiritual life thinker says my evidence was Seen. Human parent memory. They already owned an eternal spirit that converted lower into a human.

They do not say alien evolved built up into a human.

That would be proven lying. As all historic higher states exist non changed. Present in fusion today. The same bodies as in the past.

Science thought by vision for machine seen. Mountain mass tip removal. Sun timed nuclear fission. First owned human thought scientific thesis.

For a machine.

Yet his thoughts said self body human would also be removed. Wanted reaction anyway ignored advice.

Reason. I am safe. I am inside water mass.

Historic water mass that saved earth however covered the ground state. Reason for flooded earth warning against nuclear scientist. Quoted satanism.

A human says my parents own a spirit vision directly owned to self. A historic thinking image envisioned wants to argue machine history to God body mass.

Reason human. We are not science. Human thinking ability. When his own teaching why life got sacrificed quotes no man is God.

Theorising God was for reactive sciences not for life presence.

Reasoned about God life supported sacrificed by all cosmic owned highest states removed into mutation. Biological medical advice.

No humans. No stories or theories.

Cosmic space history owned created God body mass

Science says we are one WHOLE body after an ape. Discusses ape life as one whole body self. Discusses human body as one whole self.

What you see is actual to the one. Wherever you look. Say one atom body. It is one atom body.

Relevant self advised warning about human liars. Who falsify coerce belief. Then destroy life.

 

[danieldemol]

Just explain to me why are human being are the only people who can debate with each other on forums right now! why isn't there elephants or ants or cats that can do this?

Remember the card analogy? When random gene mutation occurred in different species, humans got the genetic ace of spades for speech, when other animals made their lucky draw from the genetic pack, different cards came up.

this "long process of genetic and epigenetic changes" why did it happen only for humans?

It happened for other animals too, but since gene mutation is a random process they simply were not lucky enough to get the genes required for advanced speech etc

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

As always, I am disappointed in this first thread by a new member, when I continue to hope for more.

I won't get involved in the debate over evolution anymore, because I have learned a very essential truth about it: those who don't believe it are also those who absolutely refuse to learn what it is actually about. This is a CONSTANT, and is not going to change, as far as I can see.

At the end of the day, I don't care what anybody "believes," but if you want to talk to me about it, you'd better be prepared to offer at least some evidence -- based in science and reality -- for why I should even bother listening to you. Without that, I'm happy to let you enjoy your belief as you like, for whatever it's worth to you.

Actually wanting to KNOW something is what I'm about. I'm totally uninterested in wanting to make unsustainable arguments that support what you'd prefer to believe, in spite of all the evidence against.

 

[dybmh]

Also I feel like im fighting the whole forums here, isn't here any believers in God?

Hi. I think what you're noticing is, as was pointed out by others, this topic has been debated many times here, and the stronger arguments are in favor of evolution.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

Remember the card analogy? When random gene mutation occurred in different species, humans got the genetic ace of spades for speech, when other animals made their lucky draw from the genetic pack, different cards came up.


It happened for other animals too, but since gene mutation is a random process they simply were not lucky enough to get the genes required for advanced speech etc

No, they got strong muscles, sharp teeth, stealth that we couldn't replicate. Our closest relative, the chimpanzee, could rip any one of our arms out of our sockets before we knew what happened. Tiny viruses use us for their procreation -- killing us in the process.

So who's really at the top of the heap?

 

[danieldemol]

No, they got strong muscles, sharp teeth, stealth that we couldn't replicate. Our closest relative, the chimpanzee, could rip any one of our arms out of our sockets before we knew what happened. Tiny viruses use us for their procreation -- killing us in the process.

So who's really at the top of the heap?

I did not say we are at the top of the heap in general, just when it came to speech, hence my analogous reference to, for them other cards came up

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

I did not say we are at the top of the heap in general, just when it came to speech, hence my analogous reference to, "for them other cards came up"

Sorry, my post was NOT a criticism of what you wrote, and if that's how it came across, I apologize for my poor writing skills. I was trying to support what you said, because I saw that you understand quite well enough.

 

[danieldemol]

Sorry, my post was NOT a criticism of what you wrote, and if that's how it came across, I apologize for my poor writing skills. I was trying to support what you said, because I saw that you understand quite well enough.

Actually it was my poor interpretation skills

 

[rational experiences]

Supported human evidence. O God mass stone exists before he does.

Without a planet mind says no life. Just thinking.

O the planet sits in space. It's heavens from its body. Just thinking. Is not stone. Thinker says heavens is also not God. Thinking.

Self human lives present. Self. A human thinking. Argues.

What argument is real when everyone arguing is a human. Self present. Only alive right now? Are you alive thinking anywhere else?

No.

Coercive word use. Human motivated egotism.

I know in human presence I am not an ape. When a thinker thinks about an ape in the past thinking state. They think ape first. Yet human thinker self is first.

Ape baby from ape parents. Seen present.

We live present. The argument itself.

We do not live human life as an ape.

If a human says I know. Yet you are just a human. Did you personally live as an ape baby?

Comments to self. Human mutated DNA memory. I once looked like an ape. Never can a human be an ape.

The thinker always included the description using human self being ape like.

So if science looking at bones. Dead bodies claim it informative. Then they are a God O planet to form human string theist

No man is God.

Old mutated bones are said to be human owned.

The ape body is always discussed as a separately owned beast animal body.

So you ask science. When humans mutated living like an ape looking human. What did the ape body mutate into?

They probably died out.

The ice December theme says stable DNA life for human baby life continuance only in a stable animal beast support also.

Did monkeys get human like blood and cell diseases? Yes they did.

Radiation mutates and converts. It never created.

 

[shunyadragon]

Peace Be Upon You.
So let's suppose that what Darwin said was right, Humanity has evolved from Apes, somehow it was proven scientifically that Apes were the origins of a creature that can think, understand, express his thoughts, have consciousness and choose his path in life, but then, does Darwin's theory only apply on Human beings and Apes?

May I ask what is the origins of Apes? or Maybe even the origins of origins of Apes.. May I ask the main origin of all biological creatures on Earth?
If Darwin's theory is correct then it should lead us to 1 single living organism and from this organism every other creature was developed and originated throughout thousands or even millions of years, but then we say.. what was the origin of this single creature or this single organism?

Science has always discovered populations of organisms that evolved in diversity from colonies of different single celled organisms. There is abundant evidence in billions of years of fossil and genetic evidence.

It would ah . . ., maybe help your case, if you could explain all the references in the Bible that the earth is the center of universe, ah . . . geocentrism.

Was it just a coincidence that this organism somehow developed and originated through a very complex chemical reaction and survived specifically on Earth? Have you ever wondered why humanity with all this progress in space has not yet discovered a single planet that has a single creature on it!

Actually they have a number of rocky planets in our galaxy as excellent candidates. 'Arguing from ignorance' as to what science does not yet know is not an effective argument for anything.

[qyote] Is it really a coincidence that Earth is the only place where biology is present? Is it really a coincidence that the only planet among Trillions of others that has perfect conditions for living organisms is Earth? Why do you think human beings are the only creatures in this universe that know how to think, understand and have conciseness?(till now) Biology just developed?
Then why didn't it develop for Dogs, cats, crocodiles, cows, ants, bees and even Apes! Did humanity prove that an Ape can be transformed into a human? [/quote]

You have yet to learn the science does not prove anything.

See.. Einstein's theories were falsified a lot by other scientists when he first published them, but then it was all about the practical experiment that beat all expectations when this experiment proved that his theory was actually correct, and suddenly his theories became a fact. something we are sure of.. something we can take for granted in our future development in all fields of science.

The same natural laws and natural processes that support Einstein, support the science of evolution. For example; The radiometric dating that dates the rocks of the earth are based on Einstein's work that confirms the nature, consistence and predictability of radiometric decay that dates the rocks of the earth and the billions of years of earth and life history.

But back to Darwin.. Did he transform an Ape into a Human? Has any scientist transformed any creature on Earth into a human? Is there something called Impossible? Can we actually go back in time?

We can actually look back into time incrementally with the abundant geologic evidence of the whole geologic history of the earth.

What are your educational and work experiences in the sciences related to evolution? I am a geologist with 50+ years of experience and education.

At this point I hope you all know where this is going, what happened and what is happening to human beings is not a coincidence by any means but to prove the validity of Darwin's theory someone has to conduct a practical experiment that will shut down any other doubters and transform an Ape into a human.. Or maybe anything into a human.. Can this ever happen?

It's all an obvious answer that there is something much bigger and unimaginable behind all of this.

Yes, 'something much bigger and unimaginable behind all of this.' Natural Laws and natural processes.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

Peace Be Upon You.
So let's suppose that what Darwin said was right, Humanity has evolved from Apes, somehow it was proven scientifically that Apes were the origins of a creature that can think, understand, express his thoughts, have consciousness and choose his path in life, but then, does Darwin's theory only apply on Human beings and Apes?

May I ask what is the origins of Apes? or Maybe even the origins of origins of Apes.. May I ask the main origin of all biological creatures on Earth?
If Darwin's theory is correct then it should lead us to 1 single living organism and from this organism every other creature was developed and originated throughout thousands or even millions of years, but then we say.. what was the origin of this single creature or this single organism? Was it just a coincidence that this organism somehow developed and originated through a very complex chemical reaction and survived specifically on Earth? Have you ever wondered why humanity with all this progress in space has not yet discovered a single planet that has a single creature on it!

Is it really a coincidence that Earth is the only place where biology is present? Is it really a coincidence that the only planet among Trillions of others that has perfect conditions for living organisms is Earth? Why do you think human beings are the only creatures in this universe that know how to think, understand and have conciseness?(till now) Biology just developed?
Then why didn't it develop for Dogs, cats, crocodiles, cows, ants, bees and even Apes! Did humanity prove that an Ape can be transformed into a human?

See.. Einstein's theories were falsified a lot by other scientists when he first published them, but then it was all about the practical experiment that beat all expectations when this experiment proved that his theory was actually correct, and suddenly his theories became a fact. something we are sure of.. something we can take for granted in our future development in all fields of science.
But back to Darwin.. Did he transform an Ape into a Human? Has any scientist transformed any creature on Earth into a human? Is there something called Impossible? Can we actually go back in time?

At this point I hope you all know where this is going, what happened and what is happening to human beings is not a coincidence by any means but to prove the validity of Darwin's theory someone has to conduct a practical experiment that will shut down any other doubters and transform an Ape into a human.. Or maybe anything into a human.. Can this ever happen?

It's all an obvious answer that there is something much bigger and unimaginable behind all of this.

Loaai, there is really only one of two possible reasons that you feel it necessary to argue that evolution must be wrong:

1. You believe it contradicts what the Qu'ran says, or
2. You simply don't understand it.

Let me just point out to you something important about point 1. If there really is an Allah that created life out of nothing, it is probably impossible that a single Book could even begin to explain how it all worked to a creature as limited (in comparison to God) as we are. And therefore, an allegorical story is about the best you can expect.

We see the same thing with the Standard Model in Quantum Mechanics. Most of us haven't a hope in Hades of understanding it completely, and so the science writers do what they can to help us along -- but it will always be incomplete, always be to some extent allegorical.

If, on the other hand, your reason is number 2, there's a solution to that. Go learn the damned thing!

 

[rational experiences]

A God theist. Stone planet to old human ape like bones.

Theory God radiation effect ground fission nuclear dust caused it.

Reason for self modern healed human researcher having proven by science God the earth stone caused it.

Self healed evolved human telling self the advice. Why the human form was mutated.

Is not. Nor never was quoting how life evolved. Life DID evolve. Living self evidence. God O the stone fission reaction caused it.

It was never the relativity of life.

We aren't a nuclear product.

 

[rational experiences]

Egotism. Human expressed science condition.

Claiming I know.

You knew how to copy earth nuclear fission.

Beginning to end. Just a reaction.

Radiation effect falsification to mind by AI amassed communicators. That do not allow natural human thinker to consciously appraise human aware information.

An effect previously caused by designed human controlled machines.

No human speaks on behalf of natural mass existing. You then would believe you personally are the mass. By word use. As if the word by human say so invented the presence of creation.

Some humans exhibit they infer this belief.

 

[blü 2]

Peace Be Upon You.
So let's suppose that what Darwin said was right, Humanity has evolved from Apes

I congratulate you on your enquiry and willingness to learn.

Perhaps the place to start is to understand what the theory of evolution actually shows.

The earth is some 4.5 bn years old, and formed at the same time our solar system was forming, so the sun and other planets are roughly of the same age.

According to fossil and geological evidence, life arose on earth more than 3.5 bn years ago.

The study of abiogenesis looks for how the first self-replicating cell came into existence. At present we have no clear description of this transition from chemistry to biochemistry, but the study is ongoing and there has been steady progress.

Evolution starts once that cell is in existence. It occurs because although the product of replication may be biochemically identical to the original, there will be times when it is not. The variation in the newer cell may be beneficial, or neutral, or detrimental. In the first two cases, the newer cell will be able, or more able, to survive and to self-replicate in turn, and its new cells will carry the variation. If the variation is detrimental then the newer cell will be less likely to thrive. As the cell becomes more complex, the ways in which variations may occur increase in number.

The outline for human evolution looks like this ─

Human evolution goes from the most basic form of life (protobionts, presently undefined)
to the single cell (Prokaryota) 3.5 billion years ago (bya)
to nucleated multicelled (Eukaryota) [though some say Eukaryota came before or simultaneous with Prokaryota] 1.7 bya (and around this time the first living things having two sexes appear)
to bilateral symmetry (Bilateria) ›555 million years ago (mya) (that is, the left side is the mirror image of the right side)
to a stomach with two openings [mouth and anus] (Deuterostomia) ›555 mya
to a notochord [‘spinal chord’] (Chordata) ›555 mya
to a backbone (Vertebrata) ›525 mya
to a movable lower jaw (Gnathostomata) ›385 mya
to four legs (Tetrapoda) ›385 mya
to eggs with water retention suitable for dry land (Amniota) ›340 mya
to eye sockets each with a single opening into the skull (Synapsida) ›324 mya
to mammal-like reptiles (Therapsida) ~274 mya
to ‘dog teeth’ (Cynodontia) ~260 mya
to milk glands (Mammalia) ~200 mya
to vivipars (giving birth to live young) and monotremes (egg-laying mammals) (Theriiformes) ›160 mya
to modern vivipars (Holotheria)
to proto-placental mammals and marsupials (Theria)
to placentals and certain extinct non-marsupials (Eutheria) ›160 mya
to placentals (Placentalia) ~110 mya
to all mammals except the Xenarthra [sloth, armadillo, anteater] (Epitheria) ~100 mya
to bats, primates, treeshrews (Archonta) ~100 mya
to tarsiers, monkeys, apes (Haplorrhini) ~63 mya
to New and Old World monkeys and apes (Simiiformes) ~40 mya
to Old World monkeys and gibbons (Catarrhini) ~35 mya
to apes [great apes and gibbons] (Hominoidea) ~29 mya
to hominids / great apes [orangutans, gorillas, chimps, Homo] (Hominidae) ~25 mya
to hominins [gorillas, chimps, Homo, H. floresiensis, then or else later H. Denisova] (Homininae) ~4.5 mya
to Homo [H. sapiens, H. Neanderthalis (Homo) ~2.4 mya
to Homo sapiens [Homo sapiens Idaltu, Homo sapiens sapiens] (Homo sapiens) 250 kya
to Homo sapiens sapiens ─ that's to say, us.
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(If you have any trouble with the vocabulary, just google the word.)

Does Darwin's theory only apply on Human beings and Apes?

No, as you can see it applies to ALL living things on earth, including huge numbers of kinds that have lived in the past but are now extinct, so that we know of them only from the fossil record.

May I ask what is the origins of Apes? or Maybe even the origins of origins of Apes.. May I ask the main origin of all biological creatures on Earth?

See above. As to where we're up to with abiogenesis, you might like to read this >link< and that will give you a basis if you want to go into more detail.

If Darwin's theory is correct then it should lead us to 1 single living organism and from this organism every other creature was developed and originated throughout thousands or even millions of years

Yes, indeed billions of years.

but then we say.. what was the origin of this single creature or this single organism?

See the link above. Abiogenesis is a work in progress ─ we know THAT life arose on earth all that time ago, but we're still working on the HOW.

Good hunting as you explore these scientific questions!

 

[sun rise]

If you believe in this theory then I don't. It's exactly as saying I believe in God but you don't, and that's the main difference between believers and atheists. Thus if you think you're a monkey I don't

It's not a matter of belief. It's a matter of evidence leading to truth. Let me put it in theological terms:

In the beginning, God created the laws of science.
One of those laws of science is the law of evolution.

As the great Islamic Sufi Rumi put it:

I died as a mineral and became a plant,
I died as plant and rose to animal,
I died as animal and I was Man.
Why should I fear? When was I less by dying?
Yet once more I shall die as Man, to soar
With angels bless’d; but even from angelhood
I must pass on: all except God doth perish.
When I have sacrificed my angel-soul,
I shall become what no mind e’er conceived.
Oh, let me not exist! for Non-existence
Proclaims in organ tones,
To Him we shall return.