Death and Evolution

[FearGod]

except for the fact that "GodDidIt" is not an explanation....

I said it was planned, God did it or XYZ, it doesn't make any difference.

 

[FearGod]

It's called r/K selection.

In a general sense, there are two types of survival strategies.....r-selected organisms produce lots of offspring, don't devote much towards parental care, have high growth rates, but also tend to have shorter life spans. Conversely, K-selected organisms produce fewer offspring, devote more towards parental care, have slower growth rates, and have longer life spans.

And how such a thing was naturally organized, why high growth rate made lifespan shorter?

 

[Sapiens]

And how such a thing was naturally organized, why high growth rate made lifespan shorter?

Let's try an experiment. See if you can think up a rational explanation for the data. Come on, give it a try.

 

[FearGod]

Let's try an experiment. See if you can think up a rational explanation for the data. Come on, give it a try.

It doesn't answer my question.

 

[Jose Fly]

And how such a thing was naturally organized, why high growth rate made lifespan shorter?

I've answered the question you asked, and I'm not interested in playing the infinite regression game where you try and find some gap into which you can insert your god.

 

[McBell]

I said it was planned, God did it or XYZ, it doesn't make any difference.

Your bold empty claim remains a bold empty claim until you substantiate your bold empty claim.

It matters not the exact wording of the bold empty claim.

 

[Sapiens]

It doesn't answer my question.

It will, in time. We are opening a Socratic Dialog that may let you get there by yourself, just by thinking and answering questions. So ... come on ... see if you can think up a rational explanation for the data.

 

[FearGod]

It will, in time. We are opening a Socratic Dialog that may let you get there by yourself, just by thinking and answering questions. So ... come on ... see if you can think up a rational explanation for the data.

I'll explain data according to its position, the important isn't the data but how it's processed.

 

[Ricktheheretic]

?

No.
If living things are not replaced by other, different, living things there will not be evolution of species.
You don't understand what you are talking about.
Tom

Does all evolution occur through the ill adapted dying off and better traits being passed on by the better adapted who can survive and breed? Does evolution ever occur just by adaptation to environment, for instance the development of body hair as an adaptation to the cold? How does death have to happen for something like that to happen and be passed on to future generations? I know that natural selection of the better adapted is definitely part of the Theory of Evolution, but does it have to happen that way?

 

[Sapiens]

I'll explain data according to its position, the important isn't the data but how it's processed.

Are you willing to engage or are you so dedicated to stubborn and ardent clinging to your opinion that you can not?

 

[FearGod]

Are you willing to engage or are you so dedicated to stubborn and ardent clinging to your opinion that you can not?

My opinion that death of the species was planned by a designer for the survival of life on earth,
prove me wrong otherwise you're the one who are stubborn.

 

[Sapiens]

My opinion that death of the species was planned by a designer for the survival of life on earth,
prove me wrong otherwise you're the one who are stubborn.

So you'd rather play at shifting the burden by asking me to prove a negative (the nonexistance of your "invisible friend" than seek truth in a Socratic Dialog, that's just what I'd have predicted, but I thought I'd start out giving you the benefit of the doubt. Nice of you to not strain anyone's predictive abilities. So good of you to confirm not only stubbornness but also the irreparability of your tragic condition.

 

[FearGod]

So you'd rather play at shifting the burden by asking me to prove a negative (the nonexistance of your "invisible friend" than seek truth in a Socratic Dialog, that's just what I'd have predicted, but I thought I'd start out giving you the benefit of the doubt. Nice of you to not strain anyone's predictive abilities. So good of you to confirm not only stubbornness but also the irreparability of your tragic condition.

That was completely pointless and confirms that you have nothing to offer.

 

[McBell]

My opinion that death of the species was planned by a designer for the survival of life on earth,
prove me wrong otherwise you're the one who are stubborn.

This is where the problem lies.
See, it is on YOU to prove your claims are correct.
If you cannot prove them correct, there is no reason for anyone else to entertain them.

Now I understand that you can not prove your claims at all.
Thus the reason you are taking the "my bold empty claims are the truth until you prove them wrong" stance.
It is the only stance that will protect your beliefs.

 

[McBell]

That was completely pointless and confirms that you have nothing to offer.

It is only pointless to those who take your "my bold empty claims are the truth until you prove them wrong" stance.
Because it reveals the weakness of your claims.

It confirms that you are the one grasping at straws and only offer up empty promises.

 

[FearGod]

This is where the problem lies.
See, it is on YOU to prove your claims are correct.
If you cannot prove them correct, there is no reason for anyone else to entertain them.

Now I understand that you can not prove your claims at all.
Thus the reason you are taking the "my bold empty claims are the truth until you prove them wrong" stance.
It is the only stance that will protect your beliefs.

It doesn't need a proof to understand and to realize the involvement of intelligence in the design of life on earth,
the death of species that we can't even do anything about regardless of our advancement in
science and biology, no escape from death and it's a must for life to survive on earth otherwise
life will end because of the lack of resources, if I'm wrong and you have an evidence and proof that death wasn't planned by a designer, then I'm all ears to listen to you.

 

[FearGod]

It is only pointless to those who take your "my bold empty claims are the truth until you prove them wrong" stance.
Because it reveals the weakness of your claims.

It confirms that you are the one grasping at straws and only offer up empty promises.

So if you can't prove anything and I can't prove anything, then both of us are dealing
with faith and not science, but if you believe in science and you want to make your point
then convince it to me by science, if you're sure that a designer wasn't needed then bring your evidence,
if you can't then there is no difference between you
and the one who believe in the monkey God, both have different faiths.

 

[Sapiens]

That was completely pointless and confirms that you have nothing to offer.

Nice of you to not strain anyone's predictive abilities. So good of you to confirm not only stubbornness but also the irreparability of your tragic condition.

So if you can't prove anything and I can't prove anything, then both of us are dealing
with faith and not science, but if you believe in science and you want to make your point
then convince it to me by science, if you're sure that a designer wasn't needed then bring your evidence,
if you can't then there is no difference between you
and the one who believe in the monkey God, both have different faiths.

You'd like to believe that, but ... like your other beliefs, you fail to make even a prima facia case. Your beliefs depend on your faith, my conclusions rely on what the data indicates is most likely the case. Those are far from the same concepts and you are overreaching badly to pretend that are on an even plane.

 

[FearGod]

Nice of you to not strain anyone's predictive abilities. So good of you to confirm not only stubbornness but also the irreparability of your tragic condition.

Your words have no meaning, it shows how nervous you're because you have failed.
No one of you have a reply, so keep on the bad words which indicates what kind
of personality you're.

You'd like to believe that, but ... like your other beliefs, you fail to make even a prima facia case. Your beliefs depend on your faith, my conclusions rely on what the data indicates is most likely the case. Those are far from the same concepts and you are overreaching badly to pretend that are on an even plane.

You have nothing but your faith, I think and believe that bad people don't want
to even think that God exists because such thinking may affect their bad and
awful deeds, such as sex, drugs, alcohol, stealing, fooling and cheating the others
and the list goes on and on.

 

[Sapiens]

Your words have no meaning, it shows how nervous you're because you have failed.
No one of you have a reply, so keep on the bad words which indicates what kind
of personality you're.

Words, when used appropriately, always have meaning. I, for one, am not nervous in the least, rather it is your fractured syntax and word structure that might indicate that you are projecting your own inadequacies onto others. Besides, bad words are not permitted here.

You have nothing but your faith,

I have no faith (at least in a religions sense).

I think and believe that bad people don't want
to even think that God exists because such thinking may affect their bad and
awful deeds, such as sex, drugs, alcohol, stealing, fooling and cheating the others
and the list goes on and on.

What is your point? What is wrong with sex? What is wrong with intoxicants used in moderation? What makes you thing that sex and intoxicants are linked to stealing, or fooling, or cheating? Personal experience?