Death and Evolution

[FearGod]

I am not a scientist, but even then that is just not true. Just to you directly I must have mentioned selective pressure well over a half dozen times. It is not my fault that you can't remember or handle the concept.

How selective pressure were applied? how it makes dogs live few years and humans
many years further? explain your point.

On the one hand, it is a meaningless comparison. On the other hand, is that bit about "being scared from the one who can beat my arrogance" meant to make any sense? Either logically or morally? Because it quite failed at both accounts.

Sorry, but your answer doesn't make sense.

 

[LuisDantas]

How selective pressure were applied? how it makes dogs live few years and humans
many years further? explain your point.

Give me a passable description of selective pressure first. It is about time you did your homework.

Sorry, but your answer doesn't make sense.

Eh. I guess from your viewpoint it does not.

 

[FearGod]

Give me a passable description of selective pressure first. It is about time you did your homework.

Are you answering a question by a question?

 

[Guy Threepwood]

Are you answering a question by a question?

Always easier than trying to answer it, when it comes to evolution

 

[LuisDantas]

Are you answering a question by a question?

Yes. I think I gave you plenty enough good will by now. You have shown no indication that you know what you are talking about.

 

[FearGod]

Yes. I think I gave you plenty enough good will by now. You have shown no indication that you know what you are talking about.

You don't offer any scientific reply, what you said that it just happened to be so and you
compared it to gravity, I don't care if you believe in a deity or not, that's your own business
but if you think that your position is scientifically right then explain it by science and knowledge,
be honest, you can say I don't know and I don't believe in a deity, that's it and no need to play around.

 

[LuisDantas]

If you can't understand the difference between selective pressure and random chance, you are not fit for a true scientific answer.

 

[FearGod]

If you can't understand the difference between selective pressure and random chance, you are not fit for a true scientific answer.

I know the difference and it doesn't answer my question, once again

How selective pressure were applied? how it makes dogs live few years and humans
many years further? explain your point.

 

[leibowde84]

Yes, 'just the way it worked out'- there is no inherent reason we cannot live longer. You don't see a teensy evolutionary advantage for a species to be biologically immortal?

Yet the same magical system than can produce all the sophisticated components for a fully functional eye overnight, can't simply shut off this degeneration timer? coincidence perhaps- but yet one more coincidence which is not in any way necessary to an unguided materialistic world, but is absolutely crucial to a rich, beautiful, diversity of meaningful life. Once more instance of the die rolling a six, you never suspect that it might be loaded?

The fact that humans can live longer and longer might have something to do with evolution, but the fact that human cells have a lifespan certainly does not. That's just the way that cells are ... they don't last forever, and they have no sentience or consciousness, so they can't "switch" anything off.

What do you mean by the "magical system that produces all the sophisticated components for a fully functional eye overnight? Nothing in evolution happens overnight ... the eye already was developed when human beings came along.

 

[LuisDantas]

I know the difference and it doesn't answer my question, once again

How selective pressure were applied? how it makes dogs live few years and humans
many years further? explain your point.

Then tell me. What is selective pressure?

 

[FearGod]

Then tell me. What is selective pressure?

What is the relation between selective pressures and aging, how lifespan of the species
were determined and fixed by nature?

How adaptation, fitness and survival had fixed the lifespan of the species?

 

[LuisDantas]

Come back when you want to be listened to, please.

 

[FearGod]

Come back when you want to be listened to, please.

So you don't have a meaningful answer.

 

[LuisDantas]

None that would be of use to someone who somehow keeps failing both to realize the distinction between selective pressure and random chance and to admit it.

I won't condone your lies.

 

[FearGod]

None that would be of use to someone who somehow keeps failing both to realize the distinction between selective pressure and random chance and to admit it.

I won't condone your lies.

Where did I mention random chance?eh

 

[FearGod]

That's just the way that cells are ... they don't last forever, and they have no sentience or consciousness, so they can't "switch" anything off.
.

IOW, It just happened to be so and it happened to be good for the survival of our planet, the earth.

 

[leibowde84]

IOW, It just happened to be so and it happened to be good for the survival of our planet, the earth.

It is just the way that cells, organs, etc. are. Why is that surprising?

 

[Jose Fly]

How selective pressure were applied? how it makes dogs live few years and humans
many years further? explain your point.

It's called r/K selection.

In a general sense, there are two types of survival strategies.....r-selected organisms produce lots of offspring, don't devote much towards parental care, have high growth rates, but also tend to have shorter life spans. Conversely, K-selected organisms produce fewer offspring, devote more towards parental care, have slower growth rates, and have longer life spans.

 

[McBell]

My explanations were much better than their assumptions "it just happened to be so"
and then accepting it as a fact.

except for the fact that "GodDidIt" is not an explanation....

 

[McBell]

Always easier than trying to answer it, when it comes to evolution

Given the gross ignorance of people when it comes to evolution, it makes sense to determine just how ignorant they are so one knows where to begin.

Of course, there are some people who are steadfast determined to remain ignorant of evolution.
It is a good idea to determine that as well.