Death and Evolution

[leibowde84]

And what do you think of the jellyfish and do you think that immortality is biologically impossible?

I think that immortality is impossible because of Murphy's law. Whatever can happen, will happen given enough time.

 

[FearGod]

Ignored? Frankly, most of the time I don't even remember their existence. So-called prophecies are unconvincing at best.

Why the prophecies are unconvincing? do you think that it just happened to be so, just coincidences.

 

[LuisDantas]

Why the prophecies are unconvincing? do you think that it just happened to be so, just coincidences.

I thought those were two separate matters, but sure.

On the one hand, there is literally nothing about reality that suggests to me some form of intentional creation or planning.

As for prophecies, out of the top of my mind I don't recall any that have much of a clear meaning, and certainly none that were proven true and significant or that I expect to ever be.

 

[leibowde84]

Why the prophecies are unconvincing? do you think that it just happened to be so, just coincidences.

It seems that most either weren't that hard to predict or simply were coincidental.

 

[FearGod]

I think that immortality is impossible because of Murphy's law. Whatever can happen, will happen given enough time.

Whereas Dr. Joon Yun think otherwise regarding that humans can find a cure to increase human's lifespan and to combat aging.

 

[FearGod]

I thought those were two separate matters, but sure.

On the one hand, there is literally nothing about reality that suggests to me some form of intentional creation or planning.

As for prophecies, out of the top of my mind I don't recall any that have much of a clear meaning, and certainly none that were proven true and significant or that I expect to ever be.

How prophecies weren't clear, Christians and Muslims were informed that Israel will be established
in Jerusalem, so do you think it just happened to be so, or the prophecy wasn't clear?

 

[LuisDantas]

Whereas Dr. Joon Yun think otherwise regarding that humans can find a cure to increase human's lifespan and to combat aging.

That is something else entirely, and does not really connect to claims of immortality, or even potential immortality.

Nor is it a cure, but rather a treatment (or, more likely, several). Aging is not a disease. Geriatry is a legitimate medical specialty, but it does not deal with pretenses of potential immortality.

 

[LuisDantas]

How prophecies weren't clear, Christians and Muslims were informed that Israel will be established in Jerusalem, so do you think it just happened to be so, or the prophecy wasn't clear?

I don't even think much about them, truth be told. There is a logical contradiction in caring too much about so-called scriptural prophecy. All the more so for one who intends to take one's beliefs seriously.

But mostly, yes, they are unspecific or just unclear. I have a bit of background in psychology and statistics and have learned of several reasons not to think too much of them. At this point I am slightly surprised that some people still care about them.

 

[leibowde84]

Whereas Dr. Joon Yun think otherwise regarding that humans can find a cure to increase human's lifespan and to combat aging.

Increasing human's lifespan and combating aging does not equate to immortality. It means making humans live longer, not forever.

 

[FearGod]

That is something else entirely, and does not really connect to claims of immortality, or even potential immortality.

Nor is it a cure, but rather a treatment (or, more likely, several). Aging is not a disease. Geriatry is a legitimate medical specialty, but it does not deal with pretenses of potential immortality.

If scientists will think the way you do, then they'll leave everything for nature and everything will turn to be impossible.
Live forever: Scientists say they’ll extend life ‘well beyond 120’

 

[FearGod]

Increasing human's lifespan and combating aging does not equate to immortality. It means making humans live longer, not forever.

And that is the point, how our lifespan was fixed that way, was it planned or just happened to be so?

 

[FearGod]

I don't even think much about them, truth be told. There is a logical contradiction in caring too much about so-called scriptural prophecy. All the more so for one who intends to take one's beliefs seriously.

But mostly, yes, they are unspecific or just unclear. I have a bit of background in psychology and statistics and have learned of several reasons not to think too much of them. At this point I am slightly surprised that some people still care about them.

How are they not clear? Israel was established exactly as stated, so your claim of saying not
specific and not clear can't be true, so the other option is "just happened to be so", coincidence.

 

[Valjean]

Except that the creator is giving us signs, not only a claim.

What signs are these? I'd say the Creator is woefully incompetent in the signs and portents department, else there would be general agreement and religious unity.
As it stands, every religion has its own signs and prophecies and none are particularly convincing to anyone who doesn't already believe.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Increasing human's lifespan and combating aging does not equate to immortality. It means making humans live longer, not forever.

Mortal Adam was never offered immortality. Adam was offered everlasting life "IF" he did Not break God's Law.
In other words, mortal Adam could 'live forever on Earth' only "IF" he chose to obey God's Law.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Absolutely since if none died from old age or other factors then their food supply would likely run out, plus the world would become quickly overpopulated.

Overpopulated, or over filled, only if Genesis 1:28 was broken.
So to me, mankind was only to reproduce to the point of populating the Earth.
Pro-creation was to cease when the Earth was populated Not over populated.

 

[Valjean]

How are they not clear? Israel was established exactly as stated, so your claim of saying not
specific and not clear can't be true, so the other option is "just happened to be so", coincidence.

Nostradamus is credited with all sorts of realized predictions, as are many other 'seers'. Anyone can make predictions, and some are sure to come true.

 

[LuisDantas]

If scientists will think the way you do, then they'll leave everything for nature and everything will turn to be impossible.
Live forever: Scientists say they’ll extend life ‘well beyond 120’

I am not seeing it. Why do you think so?

 

[LuisDantas]

How are they not clear? Israel was established exactly as stated,

Excuse me?

"Exactly" how? A lot can happen after a few millennia when there are people determined to pursue specific goals. I don't think there was a timestamp there, nor do I see the historical developments as particularly supportive of the predictive powers of that supposed prophecy.

so your claim of saying not
specific and not clear can't be true,

And yet it is. I guess that makes me more reliable than the scripture?

so the other option is "just happened to be so", coincidence.

Not at all.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Why is that more logical, rational, and believable, than just saying all life forms evolve to live in balance with the life around them. We eat plants and animals to live and one day we will die so that plants may feast upon our bodies and continue the circle of life? You operate under the assumption that humans are exempt from this simple circle that applies to all life. If you assume that all life lives by the same rules and dies by the same rules then human death is no different than a goldfish getting flushed. There is no goldfish heaven and there is no human heaven.
The 1000 year governmental rule of Jesus? If this is what your waiting then no wonder you believe in eternal life. You would need it to wait for something that will never happen.
Also kudos on the answer to the dinosaur question. I have heard a lot of absurd theists rationalities in my time but the "jesus will tell me when he gets here" is a new one. Pretty much the equivalent of a teenager throwing a hand in the air and saying "whatever".

Before mankind was ever on Earth I think there was that already existing circle or cycle of life.
What I am posting is what the Bible really teaches about human life.
If it were Not for God's purpose regarding human life, then I would agree with you.
So, the same rules did Not apply to Adam. Mortal Adam was offered ' everlasting life ' on Earth.
In other words, humans could be exempt from that circle or cycle of life for the lower forms of life.
No goldfish heaven, and No human heaven for Adam, but existing on Earth forever for Adam and us.
In Scripture I find ' human heaven ' was Not offered to mankind before Jesus came (John 3:13).
Only those humans who have a first or earlier resurrection 'go to heaven' according to Revelation 20:6.
That leaves the majority or most of mankind to become part of the humble meek people to inherit the Earth.

Many think the 1,000-year governmental rule by Jesus will never happen, never come.
What the Bible really teaches is that Jesus' millennium-long day of governing over Earth will happen, will come.
I can't think of anyone who can answer exactly why the dinosaurs were here, that is why I say during Jesus' righteous reign over Earth mankind will have the opportunity to get answers to all dinosaurs questions.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

I think that immortality is impossible because of Murphy's law. Whatever can happen, will happen given enough time.

I think immortality was never possible for people living on Earth.
Since Day One of mortal Adam's creation, mortal Adam was never offered immortality.
Mortal Adam could only continue to live forever on Earth only as long as he did Not break God's Law.
So, mortal Adam could have everlasting life on Earth if he chose to obey God's Law.
Since it is God's purpose, His will, that humans live forever on Earth, then Murphy's Law would Not be in effect.