Death for Apostacy in Islam discussion

[firedragon]

O you who believe, obey Allah and obey the Messenger and those in authority among you. Then, if you quarrel about something, revert it back to Allah and the Messenger, if you believe in Allah and the Last Day. That is good, and the best at the end. 4:59


قُلۡ اِنۡ كُنۡتُمۡ تُحِبُّوۡنَ اللّٰهَ فَاتَّبِعُوۡنِىۡ يُحۡبِبۡكُمُ اللّٰهُ وَيَغۡفِرۡ لَـكُمۡ ذُنُوۡبَكُمۡؕ وَاللّٰهُ غَفُوۡرٌ رَّحِيۡمٌ‏
(3:31) (O Messenger!) Tell people: 'If you indeed love Allah, follow me, and Allah will love you and will forgive you your sins. Allah is All-Forgiving, All-Compassionate.'

قُلۡ اَطِيۡعُوا اللّٰهَ وَالرَّسُوۡلَ ۚ فَاِنۡ تَوَلَّوۡا فَاِنَّ اللّٰهَ لَا يُحِبُّ الۡكٰفِرِيۡنَ‏
(3:32) Say: 'Obey Allah and obey the Messenger.' If they turn away from this then know that Allah does not love those who refuse to obey Him and His Messenger.28

In Islam, you must take both the Quran and the Sunnah. Just like prayer, Allah says to pray but it is not in the Quran, Mohammad pbuh taught us.

Mohammad pbuh DID NOT say anything from himself when it came to the revelation of Allah. He is not a liar. This every Muslim knows.

Lying is one of the characteristics of the hypocrites, and it is a blameworthy trait which encourages one to commit evil and prevents one from doing good. Al-Bukhaari (6094) and Muslim (2607) narrated that Ibn Mas‘ood (may Allah be pleased with him) said: The Messenger of Allah (pbuh) said: “I enjoin you to be truthful, for truthfulness leads to righteousness and righteousness leads to Paradise. A man may continue to tell the truth and endeavor to be truthful until he is recorded with Allah as a speaker of truth. And beware of lying, for lying leads to wickedness and wickedness leads to Hell. A man may continue to tell lies and endeavor to tell lies, until he is recorded with Allah as a liar.”

One does not just kill an apostate. There are rules and regulations. Committees and judges etc.

And Allah knows best

See, you did not respond to the question I asked. Maybe you are trying to call me a liar and that's an easy way out for you because you dont know how to answer.

Quran has no verse that speaks of murdering a murthadh for any reason. Thats why you cant give a verse. So you have to beat about the bush, call people liars and hypocrites and escape the response.

Can you tell me which hadith in Bukhari speaks of killing a Murthadh? Is it spoken by Ali or the prophet Muhammed? Who narrates it? Is it Ikrima? Is Ikrima a well known Khawarij? Why are you falling in love with a hadith narrated by a Khawarij? What is the Thadhlees? Is it Sarih? (Not Sahih).

Think a bit. Dont be hasty/. Think patiently.

Cheers.

 

[firedragon]

One does not just kill an apostate. There are rules and regulations. Committees and judges etc.

In which fikh? Whats the process? Whats the Ijma in that Fikh? Is it conflicting with other schools? Why? Whats the arabic? Does it really mean "apostate" in English? Is it a person who left the religion and stayed that way? Is it the school of Medina? Is it in Mudawwana al Kubra or the Hanafi fikh? Shafii? Hanbali? Whats the translation? Are they conflicting?

Consider it patently.

 

[firedragon]

Yeah, but the legend in the chart says it is actually just saying how many Muslims are in favor of making Sharia the law of the land, so what I have to ask is does that really mean they are in favor of the death penalty. I have to ask, because its a serious thing to infer that 60% of a country wants every apostate to be executed. If Sharia has multiple interpretations, then perhaps the chart is not representing well the actual number percentage. Now maybe that sounds like an unecessary step, but its just an inquiry as to whether Sharia always implies killing apostates. Its a fair question, not an antagonistic question.

You have to understand what Shariah is for Muslims when reading these surveys. The ideas you have about it are irrational and delve in very superficial hearsay.

Let me ask you a question. If someone asks you "Do you want a system in your country" how would you answer?

For Muslims Shariah is a system. Its law. So when you ask a muslim do you want system in your country, most of them will react with a yes.

Your question is absolutely fair. But the answer is nuanced. It takes a different colour.

 

[firedragon]

Taqyyah.

No. I said their Islam is questionable. I'm sure you know what questionable means.

Not necessarily.

I simply don't have time to explain simple things to you many times.

I could try to explain the probable reasons you hold such erroneous beliefs, but most people hate hearing that.

May I ask you a question?

You mentioned Taqiyyah in your post. In your paradise, what does Taqiyyah mean?

 

[Brickjectivity]

You have to understand what Shariah is for Muslims when reading these surveys.

I don't, and I haven't claimed to. I have heard that there are different interpretations of it.

The ideas you have about it are irrational and delve in very superficial hearsay.

No, and that isn't fair. I haven't put forward any ideas about it. Is this some sort of test of my character? I will fail such a test, so stop testing me. I'm questioning the OP, because its claiming that 60% of people in these countries want to kill all apostates. I'm interested in whether this is true, not saying what is or isn't true.

Let me ask you a question. If someone asks you "Do you want a system in your country" how would you answer?

For Muslims Shariah is a system. Its law. So when you ask a muslim do you want system in your country, most of them will react with a yes.

Your question is absolutely fair. But the answer is nuanced. It takes a different colour.

My questions to the author of the OP have been as clear as possible. I haven't imposed any situations or projected ideas onto anyone.