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Debate 3

Scuba Pete

Le plongeur avec attitude...
Yet he has voted Republican in the past. Seems he likes to listen to the candidates and then make an informed decision.
Hell, I voted for Reagan twice. I've voted Democrat every other year (including the race before Reagan's) except for 2012 where I decided not to vote as a protest against the existence of Gitmo. Most reasonable people I know of, including many Republicans, are not voting for Trump.
 

Akivah

Well-Known Member
I wasn't able to endure the entire debate, but I lasted for an hour. To me, it was just more of the same. Hillary presents specific plans of what she wants to do on a whole host of issues. And Trump doesn't. Beyond a slogan, this guy has nothing. In debate after debate, people keep asking Trump "what will you DO?" And his answer is always the same, a short slogan and long attacks on the status quo. Come on, guy, I'm just looking for specific actions that he wants to do as alternatives and he won't give anything. My only conclusion is that he has no plans.

I really wasn't surprised that he refused to state that he will accept the election. He's been laying the ground work for weeks, that if he's not elected, then that is proof that the system is rigged. He stated that Hillary is unelectable and cheated her way over Sanders. He even agreed with Hillary's presentation of his history of rigged claims, that he should have won everything. He's coming off to me like a crybaby throwing a tantrum.
 

Sonofason

Well-Known Member
I oppose elective abortion myself. But the Hyde Amendment wasn't mentioned in the debate.

Planned Parenthood was and they prevent abortions. So I don't understand why anti abortion people would advocate defunding them.
Trumps policies will result in more abortions and more disastrous pregnancies.
Tom
They also fund abortions.

"Planned Parenthood’s chart shows that abortions made up 3 percent of its total services...Planned Parenthood said that it “provided nearly 11.4 million medical services for 3 million people” in 2009. Its 2011 fact sheet says it performed 332,278 abortion procedures in 2009. That would mean that roughly one out of every 10 clients received an abortion."
http://www.factcheck.org/2011/04/planned-parenthood/

If indeed only 3% of Planned Parenthood services were abortions, and if indeed only 332,278 abortions were funded and performed in 2009, that would mean that our government only forced me to help them fund 9,968 abortions in the year 2009. assuming that that number has been fairly constant over the last 8 years, I have been forced to contribute to the murder of only 79,747 abortions.

Well, let me tell you something. That is 79,747 too many. And you say they prevent abortions. Well, that would make you a liar, or possibly completely uninformed. I don't care how many people you want to kill. You can all go and kill each other for all I care. But if you keep forcing me, and other Christians to participate in the murder of innocent children, someone is definitely going to pay. And it will be God Himself who will be doing the collecting. And I assure you it will not be pretty.
 

Sonofason

Well-Known Member
She's too good of a politician to do that. And, she'd probably rather die than go down in history as the first female president in America who was also the first president to use nuclear weapons during war since WWII. Hillary did live through the era of "Mutually Assured Destruction."

Huge parts of Damascus were leveled a few years ago when the Syrian war broke out, around the same time as the revolts in Egypt.
You think I was suggesting that we were going to be dropping nukes on someone else? No, no, it is the United States that is going to fall.
 

Sonofason

Well-Known Member
As Marco Rubio said earlier this week, Wikileaks is a threat to our national security.

He said today it's the democrats, tomorrow it could be us.

He's refusing to directly addresss any questions from that source. Good for him. Do you really think the Bush Jr. admin didn't have some crazy stuff in their correspondence with one another? What about Trump?

The hypocrisy is palatable.
No, Wikileaks is a threat to law breakers. Wikileaks is a threat to Hillary Clinton. I seriously doubt that Wikileaks would divulge information that threatens the national security of our nation, but they have every right, in my opinion to expose criminals and liars like Hillary Clinton.
 

Lighthouse

Well-Known Member
No, Wikileaks is a threat to law breakers. Wikileaks is a threat to Hillary Clinton. I seriously doubt that Wikileaks would divulge information that threatens the national security of our nation, but they have every right, in my opinion to expose criminals and liars like Hillary Clinton.

In that case, I'd want the truth to come out on both of them :). If Rubio and Republicans had nothing to hide, they wouldn't need to be concerned.
The key is not place oneself and/or themselves in the position to be scrutinized in the first place.
 

Sonofason

Well-Known Member
You assume wrong. But meddling by Putin in our election in an attempt to elect Trump is far worse than anything Clinton ever did outside of a conservative wet dream of what they wish she'd done.
You are much misinformed, or you're dreaming. Whichever is the case, you are not very convincing. Putin has ever right to try to influence our election. But Hillary does not have the right to break our laws, and lie to the American people in order to railroad this election. She needs to be, and I believe she will be held accountable. When Trump is elected, I hope she is locked up, and made an example for all politicians to see.
 

Sonofason

Well-Known Member
In that case, I'd want the truth to come out on both of them :). If Rubio and Republicans had nothing to hide, they wouldn't need to be concerned.
The key is not place oneself and/or themselves in the position to be scrutinized in the first place.
I agree...all liars deserve to be caught in their lies, and if they are leaders, and public figures who hold leadership roles in our government, I believe their punishments should be extremely harsh.
 

columbus

yawn <ignore> yawn
They also fund abortions.
Not with government funds. They don't have to.

The biggest problem with this discussion about Planned Parenthood is that uninformed people like yourself don't grasp how many abortions PP prevents. Or how many would be performed with or without PP.

If Planned Parenthood went away there would be far more abortions than there are now. The abortions would just be done by somebody else. Quite often the mother herself would probably be doing it, like the olden days.

I am all about prevention. Statistics based prevention methods, mainly education and availability of birth control. The holier than thou crap I generally hear from so-called antiabortionists makes me angry.
Tom
 

Sonofason

Well-Known Member
Libertarian, republican, same thing in my book. She wiped the floor with him. Acting like a angry high schooler isn't winning a debate. I'm more interested in facts, which Trump never has.
Apparently you're a lot more gullible than you think.
 

Notanumber

A Free Man
Heres Trumps secret devised plan for bringing Isis down military plans,"Im gonna go kill him!" " We need to go bomb them!" Very good Trump how old are you 12?

Donald would stand a far better chance of working with Putin to bring ISIS down than would Hillary.

I agree with Trump that the west should not be announcing to the enemy what we are planning to do in advance; we need the element of surprise if we are going to defeat ISIS and their like.
 

Sonofason

Well-Known Member
Putin doesn't care, as long as we aren't seeking to shoot at his country. Hillary has consistently been working with Soros and other members of the axis of evil for awhile, and Putin hates Soros (banned him from Russia) and he works with her. So, Putin doesn't have an ax to grind but rather has suffered at Soros' hands and friend of his enemy is his enemy.

Generally, to manipulate people you need leverage. For some people that's money, others sex, scandals leaking, and still others threats of violence against them. Trump wants for nothing and has no vices but pretty women and that's the worst situation for the poor globalists. Short of assassination attempts, they cannot stop him -- but he's rich enough to hire his own army to protect him if he had to. Hillary is owned by foreign donors, we should revoke her citizenship. She gets more money from the international community (most of it blood money) than she gets domestically. She's working for them, not us.
I believe she is mentioned in the Bible as "The Whore of Babylon"
 

Sonofason

Well-Known Member
oh I don't either theyre



Too interesting. how desperate was the Republlican party to choose to choose a rich chump who has no knowledge of the military or war and embarrsses everyone with his sicko behavior towards women has an anger problem borderlining crazy. Did Trump even go to college? I personally believe he should not have been allowed to even run nope, he doesn't have credentials to even apply.

When I was in the 9th grade 35 years ago(geez I'm old) I was told by my Englist teacher a President had to have either Masters or doctors degree at college plus 44 years or longer in the military at leaste or more now what happened to those standards ?


I don't believe we should have him running as Republican he shouldn't have the right too.
O'Donnell is a pig. She deserved every word Trump said about her. In fact every derogatory slur out of Trumps mouth so far was far kinder than they ought to have been.
 

Sonofason

Well-Known Member
Not with government funds. They don't have to.

The biggest problem with this discussion about Planned Parenthood is that uninformed people like yourself don't grasp how many abortions PP prevents. Or how many would be performed with or without PP.

If Planned Parenthood went away there would be far more abortions than there are now. The abortions would just be done by somebody else. Quite often the mother herself would probably be doing it, like the olden days.

I am all about prevention. Statistics based prevention methods, mainly education and availability of birth control. The holier than thou crap I generally hear from so-called antiabortionists makes me angry.
Tom
I just gave you the evidence. I need not listen to your babble. Go cry to someone else.
 

Sonofason

Well-Known Member
Not with government funds. They don't have to.

The biggest problem with this discussion about Planned Parenthood is that uninformed people like yourself don't grasp how many abortions PP prevents. Or how many would be performed with or without PP.

If Planned Parenthood went away there would be far more abortions than there are now. The abortions would just be done by somebody else. Quite often the mother herself would probably be doing it, like the olden days.

I am all about prevention. Statistics based prevention methods, mainly education and availability of birth control. The holier than thou crap I generally hear from so-called antiabortionists makes me angry.
Tom
What you fail to understand is that one abortion on my dime is too many. I don't want to pay for you to murder innocent children, not one. If a young whore wants to mutilate her body, I really don't care.. Go for it. I'm not paying for you to murder your child. Far better if you kill yourself instead as far as I'm concerned.
 

columbus

yawn <ignore> yawn
What you fail to understand is that one abortion on my dime is too many. I don't want to pay for you to murder innocent children, not one. If a young whore wants to mutilate her body, I really don't care.. Go for it. I'm not paying for you to murder your child. Far better if you kill yourself instead as far as I'm concerned.
Perhaps you are OK with thousands more abortions and unwanted children, provided it doesn't cost you anything.
I am not.

Planned PArenthood prevents more crisis pregnancies before they happen than any other organization I know about. Way more than any Christian church.
Tom

ETA~ I find your Christian "ethics" appalling~
 
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