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Debate 3

Mindmaster

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
I oppose elective abortion myself. But the Hyde Amendment wasn't mentioned in the debate.

Planned Parenthood was and they prevent abortions. So I don't understand why anti abortion people would advocate defunding them.
Trumps policies will result in more abortions and more disastrous pregnancies.
Tom

I advocate not funding Planned Parenthood because the founder, Margret Sanger, was a genocidal racist who only formed it for a eugenics program to slaughter African-Americans when lynching fell out of style. Similarly, I'd not want Christopher Columbus to have a holiday of his own for the same reason. Politicians at the executive level really have no impact on abortions, so it's a worthless talking point. State and local governments have much more say on that matter, but of course killing babies means you support women or something. I think the issue is pretty morbid, at least in the lingo of the progressive feminist narrative. I understand necessary abortions, and even oopsies but to brag on about it sort illustrates how disgusting of a human you are. I don't think it empowers anyone to be a tactless and remorseless turd.
 

Papoon

Active Member
You assume wrong. But meddling by Putin in our election in an attempt to elect Trump is far worse than anything Clinton ever did outside of a conservative wet dream of what they wish she'd done.

I thought that Hillary and Donald both missed something here.

Surely Putin would want the US president who is easiest to fool and manipulate.

Trump said Putin and others had consistently outplayed Clinton in world affairs. So, why would Putin want to prevent her becoming President ?
 

Mindmaster

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
Whoever is teaching people that Hillary is a warmonger, they're lying to you like everything else. Trump would start a nuclear war over a mean tweet.


Our government is anti-Assad which, by extension, means they're pro-ISIS since those are his enemies. Which explains:

1) Our government being unable to attack ISIS.
2) Our government supplying arms to ISIS under them guise of leaving the with pro-US forces. (see: Fast & Furious, not the first)
3) Russia rapidly taking control in Syria, despite years of our efforts not doing a thing,

Why our government is too spineless to admit it is beyond me, but those are the battle lines drawn in the sand as it were. If we take any action against Assad then we are also attacking Russia by proxy, and then we have a cold war scenario similar to North Korea or Vietnam. Hillary is the queen of war and toppling perfectly good regimes just because they won't kiss her ***:

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-09-30/handy-chart-countries-destroyed-hillary

She's nearly tied directly into every troubling situation, don't you find that odd?
 

FearGod

Freedom Of Mind
I thought that Hillary and Donald both missed something here.

Surely Putin would want the US president who is easiest to fool and manipulate.

Trump said Putin and others had consistently outplayed Clinton in world affairs. So, why would Putin want to prevent her becoming President ?

I don't think Putin cares, he's already controlling Syria and it becomes a Russian military base
because of the American failure, a lot of money wasted and Russia easily won.
 

Mindmaster

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
I thought that Hillary and Donald both missed something here.

Surely Putin would want the US president who is easiest to fool and manipulate.

Trump said Putin and others had consistently outplayed Clinton in world affairs. So, why would Putin want to prevent her becoming President ?

Putin doesn't care, as long as we aren't seeking to shoot at his country. Hillary has consistently been working with Soros and other members of the axis of evil for awhile, and Putin hates Soros (banned him from Russia) and he works with her. So, Putin doesn't have an ax to grind but rather has suffered at Soros' hands and friend of his enemy is his enemy.

Generally, to manipulate people you need leverage. For some people that's money, others sex, scandals leaking, and still others threats of violence against them. Trump wants for nothing and has no vices but pretty women and that's the worst situation for the poor globalists. Short of assassination attempts, they cannot stop him -- but he's rich enough to hire his own army to protect him if he had to. Hillary is owned by foreign donors, we should revoke her citizenship. She gets more money from the international community (most of it blood money) than she gets domestically. She's working for them, not us.
 

Papoon

Active Member
Putin doesn't care, as long as we aren't seeking to shoot at his country. Hillary has consistently been working with Soros and other members of the axis of evil for awhile, and Putin hates Soros (banned him from Russia) and he works with her. So, Putin doesn't have an ax to grind but rather has suffered at Soros' hands and friend of his enemy is his enemy.

Generally, to manipulate people you need leverage. For some people that's money, others sex, scandals leaking, and still others threats of violence against them. Trump wants for nothing and has no vices but pretty women and that's the worst situation for the poor globalists. Short of assassination attempts, they cannot stop him -- but he's rich enough to hire his own army to protect him if he had to. Hillary is owned by foreign donors, we should revoke her citizenship. She gets more money from the international community (most of it blood money) than she gets domestically. She's working for them, not us.

That still sounds to me like Putin would prefer Clinton over Trump. She has helped him into Syria, and by your analysis Putin has more leverage over her than he does over Trump.

Looks to me like he wants a total idiot for president.

Trump was saying Clinton has been outplayed - so if he is shrewder, why would Putin give him an advantage ?
 

Kuzcotopia

If you can read this, you are as lucky as I am.
Is it really meddling when someone discovers a politicians lies and back room deals, and publicizes it? Would you rather such collusion and lies remain secret?

As Marco Rubio said earlier this week, Wikileaks is a threat to our national security.

He said today it's the democrats, tomorrow it could be us.

He's refusing to directly addresss any questions from that source. Good for him. Do you really think the Bush Jr. admin didn't have some crazy stuff in their correspondence with one another? What about Trump?

The hypocrisy is palatable.
 

PeteC-UK

Active Member
Hi Folks..

Papoon;
Looks to me like he wants a total idiot for president.

lol - it looks to the rest of us that he will definately be getting his wish no matter WHO wins - both total idiots from what I see...I shouldnt laugh as the consequences of this fiasco will be serious later for the entire world - and I still think I had the best solution before when I posted that all Americans should now simply REFUSE to take part - refuse EITHER candidate and demand someone with credable leadership potential....


Ah well - bit pointless really in the long run -BOTH candidates are but puppets themselves - as is Putin and every other "world leader" for that matter - just figureheads that change when necassary - those with the real power KEEP the real power always...Redress THAT imbalance - refuse to vote for either of these cronies and dont give your power to either of them.. If neither seem acceptable then simply dont accept it - show that by refusing to pledge your name to theirs - tell the gment why you refuse and so force THEM for a change to bow to you (all)...After all - it is SUPPOSED to be done for your best interests - but honestly - are either of these two REALLY in your best interests at all..??... I seriously think you guys need a new "revolution" before you lead the world into calamity here...Personally I dont want either of those clowns having access to world power structures that will inevitably affect the rest of us greatly...Neither seem capable of that responsibility to me...
 

Kuzcotopia

If you can read this, you are as lucky as I am.
I advocate not funding Planned Parenthood because the founder, Margret Sanger, was a genocidal racist who only formed it for a eugenics program to slaughter African-Americans when lynching fell out of style. Similarly, I'd not want Christopher Columbus to have a holiday of his own for the same reason. Politicians at the executive level really have no impact on abortions, so it's a worthless talking point. State and local governments have much more say on that matter, but of course killing babies means you support women or something. I think the issue is pretty morbid, at least in the lingo of the progressive feminist narrative. I understand necessary abortions, and even oopsies but to brag on about it sort illustrates how disgusting of a human you are. I don't think it empowers anyone to be a tactless and remorseless turd.

You don't support Planned Parenthood, an organization that has prevented more abortions than any other, because of a woman who died in 1966?

That's like saying I didn't like Zootopia because it's a Disney movie, and Walt Disney was anti-Semitic (which he probably was). Even though the movie is about resolving racial and cultural tension, there's nothing to learn because Disney himself was a bad guy in this regard.

That is a ridiculous reason to not support Planned Parenthood. It's services are designed to prevent unwanted pregnancy.

You can still not support it, but gods man. . . Have a better reason than that.
 

Terrywoodenpic

Oldest Heretic
Here's a fact...we scraped the bottom of the barrel to come up with this election's candidates, regardless of sides.

Are you saying the American electoral system is defunct. or that the American people are......?
She's nearly tied directly into every troubling situation, don't you find that odd?

She is no more tied in than are the American people and their Military and that includes the Republicans.
 

Notanumber

A Free Man
Our government is anti-Assad which, by extension, means they're pro-ISIS since those are his enemies. Which explains:

1) Our government being unable to attack ISIS.
2) Our government supplying arms to ISIS under them guise of leaving the with pro-US forces. (see: Fast & Furious, not the first)
3) Russia rapidly taking control in Syria, despite years of our efforts not doing a thing,

Why our government is too spineless to admit it is beyond me, but those are the battle lines drawn in the sand as it were. If we take any action against Assad then we are also attacking Russia by proxy, and then we have a cold war scenario similar to North Korea or Vietnam. Hillary is the queen of war and toppling perfectly good regimes just because they won't kiss her ***:

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-09-30/handy-chart-countries-destroyed-hillary

She's nearly tied directly into every troubling situation, don't you find that odd?


If we know it, Putin knows it!

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices...s-funding-barack-obama-knew-all-a7362071.html

There is no way that Putin will work with Clinton so are we going to see her shoot down one of his planes, then what?
 

Scuba Pete

Le plongeur avec attitude...
There is no way that Putin will work with Clinton
He won't like it as it goes against his own brand of misogyny, but he's not strong enough to buck the US openly.

so are we going to see her shoot down one of his planes, then what?
He will try and Trump us for a bit and be even more enraged with his political impotence and then, and then... he'll do nothing. There's nothing he can do. Sucks to be Putin.
 

Riders

Well-Known Member
oh I don't either theyre
I naturally enjoy Trump far more than I do Hillary. I honestly think it will be way more interesting to see Trump in the White House.


Too interesting. how desperate was the Republlican party to choose to choose a rich chump who has no knowledge of the military or war and embarrsses everyone with his sicko behavior towards women has an anger problem borderlining crazy. Did Trump even go to college? I personally believe he should not have been allowed to even run nope, he doesn't have credentials to even apply.

When I was in the 9th grade 35 years ago(geez I'm old) I was told by my Englist teacher a President had to have either Masters or doctors degree at college plus 44 years or longer in the military at leaste or more now what happened to those standards ?


I don't believe we should have him running as Republican he shouldn't have the right too.
 

Riders

Well-Known Member
Heres Trumps secret devised plan for bringing Isis down military plans,"Im gonna go kill him!" " We need to go bomb them!" Very good Trump how old are you 12?
 
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