Debate a Muslim

[viole]

So in Switzerland, how do you kill animals?

I have no idea.

Ciao

- viole

 

[firedragon]

Yes, of course, from my point of view.

Are you referring to the Tanakh?

 

[firedragon]

I have no idea.

Ciao

- viole

Very good. To speak diurectly, you dont know if its humane or not right? You just hate muslims.

 

[SA Huguenot]

- The old ostrich head in the sand trick. This does not save your case one bit.

My dear friend.
No one, except tperhaps you, are even attempting to slither away from this discussion.
I did tell you that you are attempting to use the Biblical historical record to support the Quran!
I said I will at anytime discuss your few verses you took from the Bible, which you need to explain the Quran, and debate on another thread where I can show you your erroneous interperetation.
You on the othere hand think I will somehow retaliate from your dust which you kicked in my eyes, if you were to use the Bible as evidence that the Quran and Muhammad is bad!
Pal, If you have the idea that the Bible is horrible, and you need the Bible to compare the Quran with its horror and terror, you are attempting to hide the Quran's blood, with blood from another source.
No, let the quran speak for itself, of do you agree that the Quran can not support itself, and you need the Bible to explain it for you.
Pal, your Imaam will have your throat if he finds out you ascribe authority to the Bible, equal to the Quran.
Listen what I say, Allah told Muhammad to destroy the tribes in Arabia, who were not Muslim, on the preception that they are against Allah, and Muhammad had to fight in the name of Allah!
Allah told Muhallad he has the right to fight the non Muslims, Kaffirs, and he has the right to take their women as booty.
Allah told Muhammad that he should tell these Kafir women, that they have a better life being a sex slave for Muhammad, than what they had when they were with their families, and husbands before Muhammad had them all beheaded.

If you want to use the Bible to support Muhammad's actions, You should then condemn Moses and Muhammad.
But lets start at Muhammad first, and then investigate Moses!

Therefore, do you agree that IF Muhammad did these things, we MUST condemn his existence as an example to live by?

 

[viole]

Very good. To speak diurectly, you dont know if its humane or not right? You just hate muslims.

Well, I trust the experts.
And I am quite ecumenic for what concerns religious beliefs.

Ciao

- viole

 

[firedragon]

Well, I trust the experts.
And I am quite ecumenic for what concerns religious beliefs.

Ciao

- viole

So you make thing up in order to spread them?

 

[firedragon]

Well, I trust the experts.
And I am quite ecumenic for what concerns religious beliefs.

Ciao

- viole

You said you banned halal right? How about using only legitimate money? Thats halal. Did you ban that?

 

[viole]

So you make thing up in order to spread them?

Nope. As I said, I trust the experts.
But what is the problem? Can they slaughter animals Halal where you live? I thought it was banned everywhere in the West.

Ciao

- viole

 

[viole]

You said you banned halal right? How about using only legitimate money? Thats halal. Did you ban that?

No idea what you are talking about.

Ciao

- viole

 

[firedragon]

Nope. As I said, I trust the experts.

Conaukt your expert and tell me this so called ancient islamic scripture that instructs how to differently kill animals.

You can't. Because its made up.

 

[danieldemol]

I thought it was banned everywhere in the West.

Its not banned in Australia (I don't know enough about cutting a throat vs stunning to know why).

 

[firedragon]

But what is the problem? Can they slaughter animals Halal where you live? I thought it was banned everywhere in the West.

No see. I l

No idea what you are talking about.

Ciao

- viole

Obviously. You have absolutely no clue.

 

[viole]

Conaukt your expert and tell me this so called ancient islamic scripture that instructs how to differently kill animals.

You can't. Because its made up.

Well, I don't understand what your problem is. If the method of killing animals is not different from the method of killing in Halal, why do you complain? You should eat our meat without any issue whatsoever.

Ciao

- viole

 

[viole]

You have absolutely no clue.

About Halal money? Not really, what is that?

Ciao

- viole

 

[danieldemol]

Did a quick google and found this;

'There is some misunderstanding around halal slaughter in Australia. Firstly, Islamic leaders in Australia largely accept the practice of pre-slaughter stunning, which means from an animal welfare perspective, Halal slaughter need not be any different (nor 'crueller') than non-halal slaughter. In fact, when it comes to the way animals are stunned — the same method (referred to as 'reversible stunning') is used for many animals killed for their meat in Australia. We are advised that all of Australia's export abattoirs practice pre-slaughter stunning — and they are all 'halal-certified'.

It is illegal for abattoirs in Australia to slaughter animals without stunning. However, a small number of facilities have been given an exemption in order to practice un-stunned ritual slaughter. This is not only for a small local halal market but also to meet Jewish or 'kosher' slaughter requirements. Animals Australia has been campaigning to close the legal loophole that is allowing non-stun slaughter — both halal and kosher — to occur in several small abattoirs in Australia. We continue to lobby politicians, have held rallies and have provided an online platform for people to make their voices heard on this important issue. Thousands of Australians have already joined our calls to outlaw this cruel practice, and we will continue to campaign against non-stun slaughter until it is outlawed.'

Source: Halal slaughter in Australia

So it looks to me like most of the halal slaughter houses in Australia are no different in levels of cruelty than their Muslim counterparts.

 

[firedragon]

About Halal money? Not really, what is that?

Ciao

- viole

Halal means legal.

 

[firedragon]

why do you complain?

I didnt complain. It was you.

 

[danieldemol]

According to the RSPCA, 'Halal food laws are based on interpretation of the Quran, the Muslim scripture, and set out the range of beverages and foods (including meat) that are acceptable for Muslims. The procedures for Halal slaughter can vary from country to country due to the differing interpretations of the Quran.'1

1 What is Kosher and Halal slaughter in Australia? – RSPCA Knowledgebase

 

[viole]

Hi everyone, I'm new here. I don't know how this works, but here we go.

- You can post your objections (or questions) against Islam here – it's scripture, theology, philosophy, law, politics, spirituality, or history –, bring your best supportive arguments & a white flag (or a prayer mat) for future use.

Good luck!

I have two questions. And I always get different answers:

1) What happens if Ramadan happens in mid summer and you live above the polar circle? Will you starve to death?
2) In which direction do you pray if you find yourself at the antipodes of the Mecca?

Ciao

- viole

 

[viole]

I didnt complain. It was you.

I don't complain at all. Actually it is cool. If our way of killing animals is the same as Halal we have no issue, right?

Ciao

- viole