Defend Marriage Between a Man and a Woman!

[HeatherAnn]

I've played that game on this forum. Nobody involved really seems open to changing their mind. They come into the debate with their mind already made up and then run to the appropriate websites to post the "science" which supports their position. I can damn well guarantee you that for the most part their minds had already been made up before they ever read one "scientific" report on this subject. They just ran to the reports that provided a means to justify themselves in the eyes of others. The reality is that sex has become a god in the West. People literally worship it in the sense that they'll rearrange their whole lives in order to have it and that includes ignoring any responsibility that their actions may carry with them. We're talking about what people trust to bring them happiness. What a surprise that there are people with doctorates who try to justify every perversion under the sun. What an even bigger surprise they can find peers to agree with them. Science in the context of this discussion isn't examining something people have no stake in like spore germination of fungi. On the contrary, their very lives are at stake. I also find it interesting that, in general, as the morals shift in society, "sciencific findings" conveniently shift to justify those morals.

Yes, this is a good point.

I have debated this topic off and on for a few years now.
I've been open to considering other points of view... and I have realized that the development of homosexual fetishes is quite complex... sometimes it can be influenced by uncontrolable forces like hormones or sexual abuse and such environmental factors can even influence one's physiology which can make emotions feel as if they are inborn, when really they are acquired.

Also, it is a fact that newborn babies are not sexual and that at birth our brains are only 25% developed so we can better adapt to environmental influences. Nobody is born with pedophile fetishes, nor are they born with homosexual fetishes.

Then there's that "little" fact that every human being is a result of heterosexual unions... but who wants to consider that little fact, right? lol

 

[HeatherAnn]

...they cannot naturally produce children together.

Exactly... those who demand rights based on their homosexual fetishes like science... but only when it fits with what they want.

 

[HeatherAnn]

That is not true at all.

I am not homophobic, my gripe is with the concept of marriage itself - even with hetero couples in many cases.

Those who base their reasoning on illusional fetishes cannot argue with logic, so they engage in logical fallacies like adhominem (personal) attacks... And what's sad is that a lot of people are equally illusioned to believe such lies instead of seeing them for the immature personal attacks that they are.

 

[HeatherAnn]

Tumbleweed,
Please provide a credible evidence that those with homosexual fetishes are more likely to adopt special needs children.

I have yet to hear, see or read of a single case.

 

[HeatherAnn]

It's human nature to mind other people's bizness. I'll wager that most gay proponents
would also like to regulate how others conduct their lives in some way, eg....
- prostitution
- minimum wage
- human organ sale
- abortion
- assisted suicide
- working hours

Good point that those supporting homosexual fetishes are getting very much in other people's business - even indoctrinating children in public schools where same-sex marriage has been legalized.

If all men/women were angels, we wouldn't need government... unfortunately, too often those in government cator to those who have the most money, instead of doing what is most healthy for society as a whole.

 

[HeatherAnn]

So, tell me, which water fountain should I drink out of?

I know I'm not the only one who is tired of the illogical comparison between those with homosexual fetishes and African Americans during segregation.

They are 2 different groups of people.
You can look at an African American and notice their race.
You can't look at someone with homosexual fetishes and see their fetish.

African Americans CANNOT choose to be African American or not.
Yet, those with homosexual fetishes CAN choose to practice their fetish or not.

 

[HeatherAnn]

when a girl moves in, there is no reason to commit to marriage, there's no incentive. according to man.
Women can get married whenver she feels that she is ready for a life long commitment, and yes there are Lot of sacrifices which come along with this commitment, but well its part and parcel of a womens' life.

Good point.

"Why buy the cow when you can get the milk for free?"

Marriage is important to society for many reasons, but mainly because it is the basis of families, which society is based on.

Female birds with a tiny brain seem to do a better job in ensuring that a proper nest is ready before bringing offspring into the picture.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

I know I'm not the only one who is tired of the illogical comparison between those with homosexual fetishes and African Americans during segregation.

They are 2 different groups of people.
You can look at an African American and notice their race.
You can't look at someone with homosexual fetishes and see their fetish.

African Americans CANNOT choose to be African American or not.
Yet, those with homosexual fetishes CAN choose to practice their fetish or not.

So... if, back in the day, there had been some safe, cheap and effective medical procedure to make an African American look white, segregation would have been okay?

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Good point.

"Why buy the cow when you can get the milk for free?"

Marriage is important to society for many reasons, but mainly because it is the basis of families, which society is based on.

If you think so highly of marriage and its relationship to families, why do you want so many children to grow up in families headed by unmarried parents?

 

[tumbleweed41]

Tumbleweed,
Please provide a credible evidence that those with homosexual fetishes are more likely to adopt special needs children.

I have yet to hear, see or read of a single case.

As a person with heterosexual fetishesfacepalm, I will be glad to provide that information.

1. Gay and Lesbian parents rarely, if ever, unintentionally have children.
2. According to a 2007 report by the Williams Institute and the Urban Institute, 65,000 kids were living with adoptive gay parents between 2000 and 2002, with another 14,000 in foster homes headed by gays and lesbians. (That is 79,000 children you want to deny parents to.)
3. An October 2011 report by Evan B. Donaldson Adoption Institute found that, of gay and lesbian adoptions at more than 300 agencies, 10 percent of the children placed were older than 6 — typically a very difficult age to adopt out.
4. According to the peer reviewed study, "Adoption By Lesbians and Gay Men: A New Dimension of Family Diversity" (Oxford University Press, 2011) Gay and lesbian couples are more likely than heterosexuals to adopt older, special-needs and minority children.

HeatherAnn, can you tell us when you developed your heterosexual fetishes?

 

[averageJOE]

Good point.

"Why buy the cow when you can get the milk for free?"

Marriage is important to society for many reasons, but mainly because it is the basis of families, which society is based on.

Female birds with a tiny brain seem to do a better job in ensuring that a proper nest is ready before bringing offspring into the picture.

This picture of "family" that you have in your head died years ago by the conducts of heterosexuals.

 

[Sunstone]

when a girl moves in, there is no reason to commit to marriage, there's no incentive. according to man.

Good point.

"Why buy the cow when you can get the milk for free?"

So you two cynics can see no reason a man might want to marry except for sex? And beyond that, you even think it would be wise to marry a man who wanted no more out of marriage than sex? I've heard some looney tunes sung on this Forum before, but I've got to give you two credit for ranking among the most lunatic.

 

[Dingbat]

Threads like these make me lose faith in humanity and want to take up drinking.

 

[Kerr]

I will defend marriage between a man and a woman. And between a man and a man. And between a woman and a woman. That men can marry men wont ruin hetrosexual marriages.

 

[Dingbat]

I will defend marriage between a man and a woman. And between a man and a man. And between a woman and a woman. That men can marry men wont ruin hetrosexual marriages.

Indeed, I always assumed it was men and women not treating each other properly was the cause of failure of heterosexual marriages...I guess it is all those gays being in relationships instead.

 

[Astravalon]

My argument is that a child deserves to be raised by a mother & father, just as each child is created by such.

It could be argued that the child is created by a Single Parent -- God the Father. They're just on loan to the human couple for a limited period of time.

It doesn't matter if the child is raised by an adoptive or biological mother and father. What matters is that the child is granted the right to the ideal balance of being raised by the 2 opposite sexes that naturally created the child.

What happened to "in Christ there is no male or female"? If Christ doesn't see a distinction, why do His followers (I'm assuming you're Christian)?

I want to thank those who have stood up for marriage between a man & a woman (which is honoring the way we came to exist).

I find it a little surprising whenever I see Christians supporting a relationship-status which involves ignoring Jesus's command in Matthew 5 about not making vows.

 

[Me Myself]

Indeed, I always assumed it was men and women not treating each other properly was the cause of failure of heterosexual marriages...I guess it is all those gays being in relationships instead.

This is true. Actually, it has been proofen that homosexual marriage increases the evool in the atmosphere.

This evool is inhaled by heterosxual couples, making them feel uncomfortable and treat each other badly. Then the evool makes them eff up continually on communication for problem solving.

Then they watch the happy evool homosexuals together and they lose all trust in their capacity to be happy as heterosexuals, so they dissolve the marriage.

Why am I the only one seeing this?

 

[Me Myself]

Good point.

"Why buy the cow when you can get the milk for free?"

Cause you love the cow? :flirt:

 

[methylatedghosts]

 

[Sunstone]

Also, if your marriage is so fragile that two men or two women getting married will destroy it, then maybe you should not have married a self-loathing gay fundamentalist preacher.