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Defend Marriage Between a Man and a Woman!

HeatherAnn

Active Member
That's cute.

For your information, my Mother died when I was two of ALS. I was raised by a single man.
Contrary to your "research", non-traditional families can raise children also. Often times, as or more successfully than traditional families.
I also have a daughter, by sperm donation, being raised by a loving lesbian couple. She is now five years old and very well adjusted. My only concern for her is the reaction of bigots and hypocrites.



That's reality.
I'm sorry about you mom, that must have been tough.
I realize that single parents do the best they can & that they often can't help the circumstances they find themselves in.

But to legally set it up so that children are denied a mother or father is not in society's best interest.
 

HeatherAnn

Active Member
It is partisan politics that is making this an issue. We live in the "Land of the Free, Home of the Brave" with a Constitution that guarantees equal protection under the law. Some people are seeking to subvert those rights. I find the entire conversation to be about politics.

I agree that politics has become almost ridiculous in many aspects.
Still, we have laws because "not all men & women are angels."
And we have rights of all kinds, but to even exist to have rights requires procreation of CHILDREN. So, children are of paramount importance when deciding laws for the benefit of society.
Each child is naturally conceived by an egg from a mother and a sperm from a father.
They also need both a mother and father to best thrive & to imitate how the opposite sexes relate to each other.
 

tumbleweed41

Resident Liberal Hippie
I'm sorry about you mom, that must have been tough.
I realize that single parents do the best they can & that they often can't help the circumstances they find themselves in.

But to legally set it up so that children are denied a mother or father is not in society's best interest.

Like I said, then you should be advocating banning divorce when children are involved.
Many more children involved statistically. That is, if your concern is really the children.

Instead, you rely on poor research to advocate bigotry.

Pity
 

Road Warrior

Seeking the middle path..
Because men and women couples make the best parents. :D

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Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
It is partisan politics that is making this an issue. We live in the "Land of the Free, Home of the Brave" with a Constitution that guarantees equal protection under the law. Some people are seeking to subvert those rights. I find the entire conversation to be about politics.
You introduced Republicans as scoundrels regarding the OP.
The problem is not limited to them.
 

Road Warrior

Seeking the middle path..
You introduced Republicans as scoundrels regarding the OP.
The problem is not limited to them.

True, since I am one and have been since 1974. OTOH, I don't see the Democrats, Libertarians or any other political party passing laws to deny a segment of our population the same rights shared by others.
 

LongGe123

Active Member
Obviously you didn't read the OP (I know it's long & for those who don't want to work intellectually, it just is too much).
My argument is that a child deserves to be raised by a mother & father, just as each child is created by such. It doesn't matter if the child is raised by an adoptive or biological mother and father. What matters is that the child is granted the right to the ideal balance of being raised by the 2 opposite sexes that naturally created the child.

I have a question on this point - you say a child "deserves" to be raised by a mother and father - but, what about all the deadbeat lousy good-for-nothing heteros who produce children then just abandon them? If two men or two women can offer a child a loving home, why shouldn't they be given the chance?

You see, this is the problem with the world today. All these heteros of shooting their DNA at each other, filling the world with children they either can't afford to raise or don't want. So, they abandon them, or just raise them in squalor and misery and they grow up to be criminals. You wanna hear some "stats" on existing gay households - number of children who grew up to be psycho murderers, zero. Number of children who grew up to cause holocausts, zero. All the worst people in history were raised by straight parents, or at least, parents in a "natural" marriage. So, when you think about it, using nature's track record might not necessarily be the best idea, wouldn't you say? A man and a woman DOES NOT precipitate the perfect balance.

I do think too that you criticize other people for not producing evidence or proof in support of same-sex marriage, while at the same time making sweeping presumptions of your own - such as the rather bizarre presumption that men and women are just happy and harmonious after marriage. My parents divorced each other twice and my mother is going through her third divorce with my stepfather. My good friends Blair and Ivan however, who've been together for 11 years now in true happiness and harmony, haven't been given the right to have even ONE wedding. Where's the justice there? And also, what kind of harmonious happy hope do you think WE had? I would have bloody LOVED to have a second mother, or a second father. It probably would have made for less conflict at home. People of the same gender seem to understand each other better.

Another thing, about the purpose of marriage and the meaning of marriage. Do you really so naively assume that marriage has just ALWAYS meant the same thing to everyone throughout the centuries? It used to be that divorce was unthinkable, and was an affront to the sanctity of marriage - this has now changed. having children outside of wedlock was considered an abomination - this has now (mostly) changed. Living together before marriage used to be unacceptable - this has now changed. If you think for ONE SECOND that marriage hasn't ALREADY changed beyond all recognition, then you're just being plain ignorant. And denying it now to people who are in loving, committed relationships, on the grounds of "tradition" is nothing but fascism and hypocrisy!

I've always wondered about this word "encouraged" when it comes to homosexuality. I mean...it just makes no sense. I have never ever in my life heard of anyone encouraging someone else to be gay. I've heard people encouraging ALREADY gay people to be open and come out...but is that "encouraging people to be gay"? I certainly don't remember making a choice about it. It seems to me that it's always straight people telling us that being gay is a choice. And yet, none of them can ever tell us when it was THEY chose to be straight. Funny that, isn't it? I mean, I remember making many choices in my life. July 27th 2011, I was sitting in Wagyu Lounge in Hong Kong (a popular restaurant), deciding between a steak or lobster salad, and I remember distinctly choosing the steak because it was my first night in HK and I should just go all out and enjoy it. That was around 7:40pm. Now, how is it I remember this choice like it was yesterday (as well as every other meal i had in HK during that 3-day jaunt), but not making such a life-changing choice as "being gay" - oh yes, I thought, that sounds fun, I'll be gay. Do explain this curious phenomenon - and perhaps enlighten us as to when it was you decided to be straight.
 

Pegg

Jehovah our God is One
For anyone who wants to become a part of Gods purpose for mankind, heterosexuality is the only way to do it.

"be fruitful, become many, fill the earth and subdue it"

Marriage between a man and woman is the means to fulfill that purpose.
 

LongGe123

Active Member
For anyone who wants to become a part of Gods purpose for mankind, heterosexuality is the only way to do it.

"be fruitful, become many, fill the earth and subdue it"

Marriage between a man and woman is the means to fulfill that purpose.

how utterly ridiculous - look how grossly overpopulated the world is now and how utterly unsustainable our species is! It is this kind of logic which is burdening the planet with crippling social and health issues. As well as spreading a message of hatred towards homosexuals.
 

LongGe123

Active Member
I'm sorry about you mom, that must have been tough.
I realize that single parents do the best they can & that they often can't help the circumstances they find themselves in.

But to legally set it up so that children are denied a mother or father is not in society's best interest.

and i suppose you do know for a fact what is definitely in the best interests of a society composed of around 300 million people? and a greater global society of 7 billion?
 

Pegg

Jehovah our God is One
how utterly ridiculous - look how grossly overpopulated the world is now and how utterly unsustainable our species is! It is this kind of logic which is burdening the planet with crippling social and health issues. As well as spreading a message of hatred towards homosexuals.

i said its for 'anyone who wants to'

it doesnt apply to anyone who does not want to.
 

tumbleweed41

Resident Liberal Hippie
For anyone who wants to become a part of Gods purpose for mankind, heterosexuality is the only way to do it.

"be fruitful, become many, fill the earth and subdue it"

Marriage between a man and woman is the means to fulfill that purpose.
That is all well and good. And for those that believe so, they should only participate in heterosexual unions.

However, forcing ones dogma on those who do not follow this definition of "God's Purpose" and citing misinformation on homosexuality and same-sex parents is dishonest, bigoted and downright un-American.


Wouldn't you agree?
 

Road Warrior

Seeking the middle path..
so pessimistic! lol

Please do not mistake pessimism for being realistic. I live in the Dallas-Ft. Worth area of Texas. See all the reservoirs in the area from the link? How many of them does the state say are completely safe to eat fish from?

Seafood and Aquatic Life Group: Survey Information

My main point is that God gave us brains and the expectation to use them. We may have dominion over the Earth, but that doesn't mean we don't have any responsibilities regarding abuse.

If you want to strip people of their free will and personal responsibility, then I believe you are acting against God's will.
 
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Father Heathen

Veteran Member
For anyone who wants to become a part of Gods purpose for mankind, heterosexuality is the only way to do it.

Presuming to speak on god's behalf is the same as using him as a sock puppet. You're basically placing your hand right up his posterior as you place words in his mouth.

"be fruitful, become many, fill the earth and subdue it"

So humanity's purpose is to mindlessly breed and consume like a plague of locus?

Marriage between a man and woman is the means to fulfill that purpose.
So the sole purpose of marriage is to squeeze out a batch of urchins?
 
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-Peacemaker-

.45 Cal
Certain people want to defend what Christians believe is immoral. Both sides of the debate have medical professionals in their corner. Wicked people have always defended their actions with "arguments" that on the surface might seem halfway logical. People intent on doing evil surround themselves with teachers saying exactly what they want to hear. This debate is an issue of the heart in my opinion, not logic/medical facts.
 

Skwim

Veteran Member
HeatherAnn said:
I'm assuming you're this SuperSoul person who authored the below.

Homosexuality is becoming not only accepted, but even encouraged at times.
Who's encouraging it? Show your evidence?

Society's well being depends on the basic unit of society: family, which is based on marriage between a man and a woman.
Prove it.

Legal marriage is primarily for the benefit of society, especially the future of society: CHILDREN.
Marriage is more for the benefit of the individuals involved.
Children are created by a man and a woman.
The Hell you say!!!

Studies and common sense, show that children also thrive best by being raised by the 2 opposite sexes that created them (nature is wise).
What studies? Show your evidence.

Gay marriage denies the right for a child to have both a mother and father, & basically states, "Mothers aren't really important - 2 dads are ok, or Fathers aren't really important - 2 moms are ok." When this false!
Gay marriage says nothing about children. Gay marriage is solely a matter of establishing a legal contract.

"Children Need Both A Mother And A Father" Dr. A. Dean Byrd
Children Need Both A Mother And A Father
Your source, NARTH, is biased against homosexuality. (but then this is what you're looking for, isn't it. :facepalm:)

"Why Children need both Mother-Love and Father-Love" Glenn T. Stanton
Is May 21, 2011 Really the End of the World? | Ankerberg Theological Research Institute, John Ankerberg Show ... I0804G.pdf
Your source, Ankerberg Theological Research Institute, is biased against homosexuality. (but then this is what you're looking for, isn't it. :facepalm:)


"Mothers' and Fathers' Socializing Behaviors in Three Contexts: Links with Children's Peer Competence"
Pettit, Gregory S.; Brown, Elizabeth Glyn; Mize, Jacquelyn; Lindsey, Eric
http://www.eric.ed.gov/ERICWebPortal/se ... o=EJ563106
And your point in listing this source is???? Bill Muehlenberg is a biased homophobe. (but then this is what you're looking for, isn't it. :facepalm:)

Another consideration is the health consequences of homosexual sex...Because statistically, homosexuals (both men and women) change partners more often and are less monogomous than heterosexuals, STDs and AIDS statistically are known to spread quickly among homosexuals, especially gay men...
CDC - Sexually Transmitted Diseases - Gay and Bisexual Men's Health
http://www.cdc.gov/nchhstp/newsroom/...nal508comp.pdf
We also know that anal sex is risky (for anal fissures, bacterial infection, colon rupture & anal cancer), even in 2 healthy males.
How is this relevant to gay marriage, other than marriage tends to limit sexual interactions with others.

Also, others' rights have been infringed upon in favor of supporting gay rights.
*In April 2008, an Albuquerque photographer was fined over $6,000 for refusing to be hired to photograph a lesbian couple's commitment ceremony.
*In May, 2008, a black administrator was fired from the U of Toledo, Ohio, for writing an editorial objecting to the comparison of black discrimination to same-sex marriage.
*An intolerant opponent of Proposition 8 even violently attacked & injured a Proposition supporter in Oct. 2008.
*On November 19, 2008, eHarmony, a Christian-based matching service was forced by New Jersey's Division on Civil Rights to provide website matching services for homosexuals.
Other than further exposing your homophobia, this is irrelevant to the issue of gay marriage. But then you already knew this, and just wanted to smear homosexuals. :facepalm:


Same sex couples already have "rights" under common law marriage and cohabitation agreements. Legally redefining marriage is simply trying to legally force society to accept a minority's sexual deviations.
"sexual deviations"
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Please strive for what's best for society's emotional & physical health - especially society's future: children, by supporting their right to be raised by a mother AND father.
Gee, I didn't realize gay marriage removes this right. Oh, that's right, it doesn't. :slap:

Please defend marriage as defined to be between a man and a woman!
No.
 
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