Defute the Bible or not!

[mycorrhiza]

Why is it that the Hebrew language is the only language that can repeatidly display the number 7, meaning completeion.Just in Genesis 1:1 it is 21 multiples of seven in that one verse in Hebrew.No other language with all the latters and words they have can make that many multiples of 7 in one sentence.

Humans are expert at finding meaning in places where it isn't. Let me demonstrate.


"Igor once greated a grateful grizzly bear".
7 words.
35 letters (35/5 = 7)
The letter G is the seventh letter of the alphabet and appears in all the important words (Igor, greated, grizzly).
Add the letters of Igor together (9+7+15+18=49) 49/7 = 7

I could do like this for hours, finding patterns in a thing that lacks them.

 

[no-body]

I'm not going to bother expending the energy but there is lots of good scholarly works out there try reading some Bart D Ehrman "misquoting Jesus" is particularly good for the layman.

The gospels as we know them today are copies of copies edited and hand picked by people that had axes to grind. Even if they really where written by the apostles (which they aren't) I wouldn't trust the eye witness accounts of a bunch of superstitious goat herders.

If you mean refute it in the sense that it is 100% perfect well that is completely subjective. To a Muslim the Koran is 100% perfect too.

 

[EnochSDP]

Many were...





Because not just one person had a hand in writing the various scrolls. One scroll could have had multiple contributors. Some scrolls (i.e. The four gospels) were penned by anonymous writers.




Because with a little imagination you can make the language or the scriptures themselves mean anything. Some will see patterns because they want to and won't.

I do not want it to.It does.repeadly.and over and over throughout the Bible these numbers are used and ironically we still use these numbers today.7 days in a week.7 planets.7 oceans.7 continents.7 digits in your phone number.4 seasons.12 months.

 

[fantome profane]

Except for Moses, Joshua, and a handful of others, the entire population of the original Hebrews (who had been Egyptian slaves) were punished by God for grumbling during that 40 years. They all died in the Sinai desert and never even reached the Promised Land.There's no evidence to be found when one is looking in the wrong place for it. You want to go east, to the Arabian Peninsula, to the foot of a mountain called Jabal al Lawz.There's quite a bit of evidence around that region supporting the idea that 2.5 million people camped in the area, including huge boulders with seemingly inexplicable water erosion, originating from inside the rock itself, toward the top. Evidence from Egypt indicates that Moses (Akhenaten) led his people from Pi-Rameses (near modern Kantra) southward, through Sanai, towards Lake Timash. Among the retainers who fled with Moses were the sons and families of Jacob (Israel). Then at the instigation of their leader, they constructed the tabernacle at the foot of Mount Sanai. Once Moses had died, they began their invasion of the country left by their forefathers so long before. But Canaan (Palestine) had changed considerably in the meantime, having been infiltrated by waves of Philistines and Phoenicians. The records tell of great sea battles, and of massive armies marching to war. At length, the Hebrews (under their new leader, Joshua) were successful and, once across the Jordan, they took Jericho from the Canaanites, gaining a real foothold in their traditional Promised Land.

source?

 

[mycorrhiza]

I do not want it to.It does.repeadly.and over and over throughout the Bible these numbers are used and ironically we still use these numbers today.7 days in a week.7 planets.7 oceans.7 continents.7 digits in your phone number.4 seasons.12 months.

8 planets, actually and it used to be 9.

Different phone numbers have different amount of digits. Mobile phone numbers in Sweden have 10 digits, for example.

 

[EnochSDP]

Humans are expert at finding meaning in places where it isn't. Let me demonstrate.


"Igor once greated a grateful grizzly bear".
7 words.
35 letters (35/5 = 7)
The letter G is the seventh letter of the alphabet and appears in all the important words (Igor, greated, grizzly).
Add the letters of Igor together (9+7+15+18=49) 49/7 = 7

I could do like this for hours, finding patterns in a thing that lacks them.

I did not say that you could not make or find sequences in sentences or words.You showed a minor example with english and it is not close to what im proposing.
Just a little demo:
Genesis 1:1 "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth."
We should seperate this verse into four parts.1)The start of time 2)The signifiance of God 3)After time the heaven and earth were created and 4)The Hebrew wording of the first verse.The reason we should seperate this verse into four parts is because it represents three signifiant actions and a description.All three have a need to be thought out seperate to determine the signifiance that took place.
1).'In the beginning God,'This statement simply declares that time had a start and that God was there when it started or caused it to start Himself.The beginning of time mentioned here is refering about our physical time by our universe and not the time dimension God is within if He is in one at all.
2).'God created,'Here we are introduced to the cause of time, the heaven, and the earth.The name that The Creator gives for Himself is 'Elohim.'This name is very signifiant because it gives clear characteristics of who The Creator is.Elohim is far more rich in definite meaning than our version of the word god.El is a Canaanite and Semetic term used for God, Ohim is a latent plural form of majesty representing a miminim of three in one.From the very first verse of the Bible God claims to be atleast three Gods within One.How can this be, three Gods in one?1 John 5:7 "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit: and these three are one."
3.)'God created the heaven and the earth,'Both creations are singular that indicates that only one of each was created.Is there just one heaven?This verse does not indicate that this was the first creation of heaven or if the heaven is a main heaven.Since it states that heaven was before earth it could not merely be the heavens we look at from earth.This statement would apply that this was the foundation heaven of creation that it is within time.And since God created the heaven, earth, and was around before time started where ever God's kingdom is, it is not within time, heaven, and earth thats mentioned here being created.
4.)The signifiance of the Hebrew wording in Gen.1:1 is in a awesome array of sevens.Seven being Gods most Holy number and it is imprinted throughout our creation.The number seven permeates throughout Scripture because the number speaks of God's divine perfection.Genesis 1:1 was composed of seven Hebrew words containing a total of 28 letters.Throughout the Bible the number seven appears repeatedly as a symbol of divine perfection like the 7 days of creation, God rested on the 7th day, the 7 churches, the 7 seals, the 7 trumpets and so on.The number of Hebrew words in verse one is 7.The number of letters equals 28 (7x4 = 28).The first 3 Hebrew words translated "In the beginning God created" have14 letters (7x2 = 14).The last four Hebrew words "the heavens and the earth" have 14 letters (7x2 = 14).The three key words: God, heaven, and earth have 14 letters (7x2 = 14).The number of letters in the four remaining words is also 14 (7x2 = 14).The shortest word in the verse is the middle word with 7 letters.The fourth and fifth words have 7 letters.The sixth and seventh words have 7 letters.The Hebrew numeric value of the first, middle and last letters is 133 (7x19 = 133).The Hebrew numeric value of first and last letters of all seven words is 1393 (7x199 = 1393).With all the technology and knowledge today we can not form a sentence with that many multiples of sevens.That is also considering that we use the english language with far more words against Hebrew with far less.

 

[Storm]

I do not want it to.It does.repeadly.and over and over throughout the Bible these numbers are used and ironically we still use these numbers today.7 days in a week.7 planets.7 oceans.7 continents.7 digits in your phone number.4 seasons.12 months.

There are 8 planets, 9 if you count Pluto. Well over seven oceans. WTF do phone numbers have to do with anything? Your last 2 examples aren't even 7s.

7 means completion according to BIBLICAL numerology. Is it really that surprising that the BIBLE uses it?

You'll have to do better than that. Much, MUCH better.

ETA: Oh, and phone numbers have 10 digits.

 

[Dirty Penguin]

I do not want it to.It does.repeadly.and over and over throughout the Bible these numbers are used and ironically we still use these numbers today.7 days in a week.7 planets.7 oceans.7 continents.7 digits in your phone number.4 seasons.12 months.

It really means little. One can find other numbers that supposedly mean something throughout most religious books but they don't.

Shucks, even Harry Potter had a common number theme one could find.....
MuggleNet | Oddities | References to the Number 7

 

[mycorrhiza]

Genesis 1:1 "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth."
We should seperate this verse into four parts.1)The start of time 2)The signifiance of God 3)After time the heaven and earth were created and 4)The Hebrew wording of the first verse.The reason we should seperate this verse into four parts is because it represents three signifiant actions and a description.All three have a need to be thought out seperate to determine the signifiance that took place.
1).'In the beginning God,'This statement simply declares that time had a start and that God was there when it started or caused it to start Himself.The beginning of time mentioned here is refering about our physical time by our universe and not the time dimension God is within if He is in one at all.
2).'God created,'Here we are introduced to the cause of time, the heaven, and the earth.The name that The Creator gives for Himself is 'Elohim.'This name is very signifiant because it gives clear characteristics of who The Creator is.Elohim is far more rich in definite meaning than our version of the word god.El is a Canaanite and Semetic term used for God, Ohim is a latent plural form of majesty representing a miminim of three in one.From the very first verse of the Bible God claims to be atleast three Gods within One.How can this be, three Gods in one?1 John 5:7 "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit: and these three are one."
3.)'God created the heaven and the earth,'Both creations are singular that indicates that only one of each was created.Is there just one heaven?This verse does not indicate that this was the first creation of heaven or if the heaven is a main heaven.Since it states that heaven was before earth it could not merely be the heavens we look at from earth.This statement would apply that this was the foundation heaven of creation that it is within time.And since God created the heaven, earth, and was around before time started where ever God's kingdom is, it is not within time, heaven, and earth thats mentioned here being created.
4.)The signifiance of the Hebrew wording in Gen.1:1 is in a awesome array of sevens.Seven being Gods most Holy number and it is imprinted throughout our creation.The number seven permeates throughout Scripture because the number speaks of God's divine perfection.Genesis 1:1 was composed of seven Hebrew words containing a total of 28 letters.Throughout the Bible the number seven appears repeatedly as a symbol of divine perfection like the 7 days of creation, God rested on the 7th day, the 7 churches, the 7 seals, the 7 trumpets and so on.The number of Hebrew words in verse one is 7.The number of letters equals 28 (7x4 = 28).The first 3 Hebrew words translated "In the beginning God created" have14 letters (7x2 = 14).The last four Hebrew words "the heavens and the earth" have 14 letters (7x2 = 14).The three key words: God, heaven, and earth have 14 letters (7x2 = 14).The number of letters in the four remaining words is also 14 (7x2 = 14).The shortest word in the verse is the middle word with 7 letters.The fourth and fifth words have 7 letters.The sixth and seventh words have 7 letters.The Hebrew numeric value of the first, middle and last letters is 133 (7x19 = 133).The Hebrew numeric value of first and last letters of all seven words is 1393 (7x199 = 1393).With all the technology and knowledge today we can not form a sentence with that many multiples of sevens.That is also considering that we use the english language with far more words against Hebrew with far less.

You are over-analyzing the Bible and some of that stuff is just made up. Anyone who studies hebrew could tell you that Elohim does not include three parts of God. If it did, then the Jews, some of which actually speak Hebrew, would also believe in the trinity. A King isn't more than one person because he says "We" instead of "I". You are looking for Christianity where it cannot be found.

When it comes to the pattern of 7, the same concept can be applied to every single work of literature. If you want to, you can find patterns in anything, because that's how the human mind works.

 

[EnochSDP]

source?

The Bible,acient texts,Jewish history,egyptian history,nd archaelogy within the area.Also Israel took the same area in 1967 but gave it back because of the UN.
My knowledge and books i have read.My source archaeology and public record.

 

[Storm]

The Bible,acient texts,Jewish history,egyptian history,nd archaelogy within the area.Also Israel took the same area in 1967 but gave it back because of the UN.
My knowledge and books i have read.My source archaeology and public record.

IOW stuff you made up.

 

[EnochSDP]

You are over-analyzing the Bible and some of that stuff is just made up. Anyone who studies hebrew could tell you that Elohim does not include three parts of God. If it did, then the Jews, some of which actually speak Hebrew, would also believe in the trinity.

You are looking for Christianity where it cannot be found.

Elohim is a latent plural form of majesty.look it up?And if he gave his name in a plural form then that would hint* to plural.

 

[EnochSDP]

IOW stuff you made up.

I ddint make it up.research and read sometime.

 

[fantome profane]

The Bible,acient texts,Jewish history,egyptian history,nd archaelogy within the area.Also Israel took the same area in 1967 but gave it back because of the UN.
My knowledge and books i have read.My source archaeology and public record.

Could you be more specific? I am asking for a citation here. I can't very well go look up "books you read".

 

[Storm]

I ddint make it up.research and read sometime.

I do, which is how I know you're full of ****.

I note you didn't bother with my earlier post regarding your attempts at demonstrating the significance of 7. I don't suppose I can blame you... unfortunately for you, *I* can count as well as read.

 

[EnochSDP]

8 planets, actually and it used to be 9.

Different phone numbers have different amount of digits. Mobile phone numbers in Sweden have 10 digits, for example.

It used to be 9?why was a planet that wasnt proposed as one?There was juno,vesta,ceres,pallas and so on meaning that man has made claims for a long time and over time there are proved wrong in alot ininstances.evolution will be one.

 

[EnochSDP]

Could you be more specific? I am asking for a citation here. I can't very well go look up "books you read".

Dude i flew it out on top my head.I couldnt tell you all those books cause all of it didnt come from one but many.im sorry.

 

[mycorrhiza]

It used to be 9?why was a planet that wasnt proposed as one?There was juno,vesta,ceres,pallas and so on meaning that man has made claims for a long time and over time there are proved wrong in alot ininstances.evolution will be one.

Pluto doesn't count as a regular planet anymore.

Mercury, Venus, Earth, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, Neptune. That's 8.

We have proof of evolution. Why would it be proven wrong?

 

[EnochSDP]

I do, which is how I know you're full of ****.

I note you didn't bother with my earlier post regarding your attempts at demonstrating the significance of 7. I don't suppose I can blame you... unfortunately for you, *I* can count as well as read.

The signifinance of seven perpertrates throughout you entire life and you know it.I do not need to demostrate it but I will.

 

[Storm]

The signifinance of seven perpertrates throughout you entire life and you know it.I do not need to demostrate it but I will.

:biglaugh:

I won't hold my breath.