Democracy is Hypocrisy!

[Sufi]

Democracy is Hypocrisy!

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2KSIeQoE9jM

 

[Willamena]

Hey! It rhymes!

 

[tumbleweed41]

Malcolm in his Nation of Islam days.

 

[Caladan]

Well, as the saying goes.. democracy is the worst form of government except for all the others.
So far Islamic states have failed miserably in bringing an alternative.

 

[linwood]

Democracy is Hypocrisy!

[youtube]2KSIeQoE9jM[/youtube]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2KSIeQoE9jM

You are aware that the man in this video practiced such a twisted warped version of Islam that it would surely have earned him a Fatwa on his head today?

Not to mention that once he became aware of his twisted version of Islam he converted to actual Islam and disassociated himself from the views espoused here.

He was also killed because of this enlightenment.

Not sure if your point is any too strong considering these facts.

 

[Sufi]

Well, as the saying goes.. democracy is the worst form of government except for all the others.
So far Islamic states have failed miserably in bringing an alternative.

I gotta correct you there the worst form of government would be the zionist Israeli government.

Islamic states don't exist at the moment so you can't comment on them, ask your ancestors about the freedom and justice they had under the Ottoman Caliphate all so called middle eastern countries incl Asian countries like Afghanistan & Pakistan are all secular even so called religious states like Iran and Saudi Arabia are pseudo states (if you go deeper into their constitution.

 

[Sufi]

You are aware that the man in this video practiced such a twisted warped version of Islam that it would surely have earned him a Fatwa on his head today?

Not to mention that once he became aware of his twisted version of Islam he converted to actual Islam and disassociated himself from the views espoused here.

He was also killed because of this enlightenment.

Not sure if your point is any too strong considering these facts.

I am fully aware but Malcolm X never retracted from his words regarding Democracy because african americans in general are aware of the fact that Democracy only ''works'' for a certain elite and Democracy is Hypocrisy as brother Malcolm explains Mr Caladan instead of responding intellectually and contextually sees again an opportunity to attack Muslims and Islam in general but hey i dont expect much from a Zionist.

 

[xkatz]

Times have changed.

 

[Sufi]

Times have changed.

Not for a lot of people.

 

[Caladan]

I gotta correct you there the worst form of government would be the zionist Israeli government.

Its always nice to be appreciated. isnt it ironic though that the Zionist Israeli entity is also the most productive in an Islamic region? has the hatred against the Zionists helped the Muslims around it get as far?

Islamic states don't exist at the moment so you can't comment on them, ask your ancestors about the freedom and justice they had under the Ottoman Caliphate all so called middle eastern countries incl Asian countries like Afghanistan & Pakistan are all secular even so called religious states like Iran and Saudi Arabia are pseudo states (if you go deeper into their constitution.

LOL, there are lands filled exclusively with Muslims, the fact that they can't figure out what a 'proper' Islamic state is, and bicker among themselves about the issue only demonstrates my claim that Islamic societies have yet to come up with an alternative. after all if you can't even make your own tradition a reality in your state, how can you criticize democracy?

 

[Caladan]

Mr Caladan instead of responding intellectually and contextually sees again an opportunity to attack Muslims and Islam in general but hey i dont expect much from a Zionist.

I take credit where credit is due. *bow*
You just keep the unconstructive threads, and I'll supply the material, trust me I got an infinite fountain of it.

 

[Sufi]

Its always nice to be appreciated. isnt it ironic though that the Zionist Israeli entity is also the most productive in an Islamic region? has the hatred against the Zionists helped the Muslims around it get as far?


LOL, there are lands filled exclusively with Muslims, the fact that they can't figure out what a 'proper' Islamic state is, and bicker among themselves about the issue only demonstrates my claim that Islamic societies have yet to come up with an alternative. after all if you can't even make your own tradition a reality in your state, how can you criticize democracy?

Bicker? you mean terror it's a well known fact that the West & Israel support tyrannical (secular) rulers like Husni Mubarak your Israeli government praised Mr Mubarak multiple times and Mr Obama labelled Egypt a Democracy ridiculous it's a well known fact that the Egyptian people want the Ikhwan party but Mr Mubarak with his tyrannical army & police with the help & support from the West (especially the USA) keeps such puppet governments in their place same goes for Jordan with it's western style monarchy and napoleonic style constitution it has nothing to with bickering it has everything to do with Western imperialistic countries prevending muslims from establishing an Islamic government especially by placing tyrannical secularists as presidents.

Israel has proven to be the most oppressive state in the region with it's barbaric attacks on women & children.

At the end of the day Islam will be established in those countries and corrupt governments will collapse just wait and see.

 

[Sufi]

I take credit where credit is due. *bow*
You just keep the unconstructive threads, and I'll supply the material, trust me I got an infinite fountain of it.

Unconstructive? you seriously suffer from intellectual poverty.

 

[xkatz]

Bicker? you mean terror it's a well known fact that the West & Israel support tyrannical (secular) rulers like Husni Mubarak your Israeli government praised Mr Mubarak multiple times and Mr Obama labelled Egypt a Democracy ridiculous it's a well known fact that the Egyptian people want the Ikhwan party but Mr Mubarak with his tyrannical army & police with the help & support from the West (especially the USA) keeps such puppet governments in their place same goes for Jordan with it's western style monarchy and napoleonic style constitution it has nothing to with bickering it has everything to do with Western imperialistic countries prevending muslims from establishing an Islamic government especially by placing tyrannical secularists as presidents.

Ok fair enough. I can understand why some people would be upset, especially about Egypt and Mubarak.

Israel has proven to be the most oppressive state in the region with it's barbaric attacks on women & children.

Oh come on. Attacks like these are not deliberate so don't paint it like that unless you have valid evidence.

At the end of the day Islam will be established in those countries and corrupt governments will collapse just wait and see.

Corruption and incompetence are a major problem for every nation. Islam cannot miraculously get rid of corrupt politicians and stop people from seeking power.

 

[Bismillah]

Islam cannot miraculously get rid of corrupt politicians and stop people from seeking power

The teachings of the Prophet absolutely prohibited corruption of public officials. There is no such thing as a corrupt Muslim leader.

 

[xkatz]

The teachings of the Prophet absolutely prohibited corruption of public officials. There is no such thing as a corrupt Muslim leader.

How could that be enforced though?

 

[Bismillah]

How could that be enforced though?

I'm not arguing about how Islam will introspectively change itself into what it once was, I'm arguing on the premise that it already happened. Or at least that's what your post seemed to be getting at prior, that Islamic rule was again dominant in the Middle East.

 

[xkatz]

I'm not arguing about how Islam will introspectively change itself into what it once was, I'm arguing on the premise that it already happened. Or at least that's what your post seemed to be getting at prior, that Islamic rule was again dominant in the Middle East.

Abibi, I don't think it matters that it has happened before. I am just surprised that Sufi seems to think that Islamic theocracy will remedy the problem of gov't incompetence and the corruption of politicians. At least that what he seems to be getting at.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

The teachings of the Prophet absolutely prohibited corruption of public officials. There is no such thing as a corrupt Muslim leader.

Really now? No such thing as a corrupt Islamic leader? As for there not being any Islamic states:
Islamic Nations Fail to Weaken Women
Iran's Foreign Minister: Islamic countries should get more seats on UN Security Council - Jihad Watch
Islam.com - Web Directory

 

[Bismillah]

Well Abibi, I am just surprised that Sufi seems to think that Islamic theocracy will remedy the problem of gov't incompetence and the corruption of politicians. It seems highly unfeasible IMO.

Incompetence wouldn't be necessarily be remedied, but corruption would be, for a large part, eliminated. I believe that if those who governed states such as Egypt or Pakistan were truly Muslim, then corruption would be almost non-existent as opposed to its current impact on today's governments.