Democratic mega-win - drug price negotiation results

[Kenny]

The drug companies of course hate this with a "purple passion" and the Republicans will do anything their bosses the oligarchs tell them when it comes to economics because profits are their God and Bible but this won't kill reasonable profits but the benefit to us is notable and will help millions https://www.politico.com/news/2024/08/15/cms-releases-prices-for-10-negotiated-drugs-00174021


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YES!! It is those EVIL Republicans that are dipping into the harvest of BIG MONEY from BIG PHARMA!

MSN

GOP despite drug price crackdown​

Story by Ryan King
• 6mo • 4 min read
For decades, Democrats have thrashed large pharmaceutical companies in their campaign ads and stump speeches.
The drug industry has responded — by shelling out millions to liberal candidates.
Between the 2016 and 2022 election cycles, the top 10 pharma firms gave $29 million to Democrats and just $24 million to Republicans, according to an analysis by the group Conservatives for Lower Healthcare Costs obtained by The Post.



OH, WAIT A MINUTE! It isn’t just one party but both! Who would have ever thunk it!

I’m all for lower prices!

 

[Pogo]

I don't know what he took or didn't take to be honest. All I know is that it wasn't Warfarin and that his doctor even asked if he missed several doses the week he died (he did). At the time, Eliquis was $3000 a month, which is insane.

Which is the argument for taxation supported single payer health care, We are the only major western country that leaves it up to each individual to pay for their health care a system that literally can lead to the death of the individuals if they are not so lucky as to have the means to pay creating a system of haves and have nots. To further stratify the system we have the system set up to bankrupt the individual if they needed a service but couldn't afford it or afford to join a risk management group, further cementing their poverty.

 

[Heyo]

OH, WAIT A MINUTE! It isn’t just one party but both! Who would have ever thunk it!

I’m all for lower prices!

I'm all for less corruption!

All industries bribe both sides of the aisle, but some have favourites. Big Pharma, the media (including IT) and the banks tilt to the dems, while Big Oil and guns and weapons manufacturers give more to the pubs. And sometimes it isn't favouritism, but who demands more for voting exactly against what was promised in the campaign.

 

[Father Heathen]

YES!! It is those EVIL Republicans that are dipping into the harvest of BIG MONEY from BIG PHARMA!

MSN

GOP despite drug price crackdown​

Story by Ryan King
• 6mo • 4 min read
For decades, Democrats have thrashed large pharmaceutical companies in their campaign ads and stump speeches.
The drug industry has responded — by shelling out millions to liberal candidates.
Between the 2016 and 2022 election cycles, the top 10 pharma firms gave $29 million to Democrats and just $24 million to Republicans, according to an analysis by the group Conservatives for Lower Healthcare Costs obtained by The Post.



OH, WAIT A MINUTE! It isn’t just one party but both! Who would have ever thunk it!

I’m all for lower prices!

When will we see republicans go after the health care and insurance industries (and other predatory rackets)? You won't because those lobbies bought and own them.

 

[metis]

The Free Market has remedies for monopolies.

Absolutely false as history shows! Remember T. Roosevelt as the "Trust Buster", which he had to do because of collusion between CEOs?

Yes, competition generally is preferable to state ownership, but too much in either direction has proven to be fraught with problems.

BTW, why didn't you answer my question about lower income families that need medication?

 

[metis]

I liked the way Trump did it with the drugs for COVID, which were developed at an accelerated rate.

With help from government-suppled funds!

BTW, did you take hydroxychloroquine and inject yourself with bleach like he said?

 

[metis]

MSN

GOP despite drug price crackdown​

Story by Ryan King...

The story is from the New York Post, which is a Murdoch-owned right-wing source.

I’m all for lower prices!

But what about people in need? What Would Jesus Do?

And how would you "lower prices"?

 

[Kathryn]

The story is from the New York Post, which is a Murdoch-owned right-wing source.



But what about people in need? What Would Jesus Do?

And how would you "lower prices"?

Well, for starters I'd make sure that drug companies were reimbursed for all costs. Otherwise there is no incentive to research anything.

 

[metis]

Well, for starters I'd make sure that drug companies were reimbursed for all costs. Otherwise there is no incentive to research anything.

They do make substantial profits as it is, but I 100% agree with you that profit is absolutely necessary to fund research.

IMO, we need Medicare-For-All as it is more efficient by far than private insurance companies. Every country in the world has some form of universal insurance-- except the USA.

 

[Kathryn]

They do make substantial profits as it is, but I 100% agree with you that profit is absolutely necessary to fund research.

IMO, we need Medicare-For-All as it is more efficient by far than private insurance companies. Every country in the world has some form of universal insurance-- except the USA.

Did you know that many countries also expect, on top of the higher taxes, that a person carry private insurance? I mean, I believe we should prioritize healthcare differently but I also think Americans should know that taxes will go up and that we may still need to carry private insurance.

 

[Kenny]

When will we see republicans go after the health care and insurance industries (and other predatory rackets)? You won't because those lobbies bought and own them.

Are you saying no one owns the Dems?

 

[Soandso]

Did you know that many countries also expect, on top of the higher taxes, that a person carry private insurance? I mean, I believe we should prioritize healthcare differently but I also think Americans should know that taxes will go up and that we may still need to carry private insurance.

You know, I knew someone who went to Canada as a foreigner (US) and had to ride an ambulance to the ER. They asked if she had insurance and she didn't. At the end of the day, she had to pay 150$ for the ambulance ride and the ER visit. You know how much she woulda had to pay had she gotten insurance? It would have saved her 100$ and she would have only had to pay 50$ from what she told me

Granted this was a few years ago, so maybe the prices are higher... Still, though. What you ar suggesting isn't even close to comparable. Here the ambulance ride by itself would have been thousands and thousands of dollars without insurance, and it still might be depending on how basic your insurance coverage is. Thankfully I work in a hospital and get good coverage, but I still have to pay the 500$ copay at the very least

 

[Kenny]

The story is from the New York Post, which is a Murdoch-owned right-wing source.

The information is correct no matter who posts it. We have corrupt politicians on both sides with few statesmen

But what about people in need? What Would Jesus Do?

Help them, of course

And how would you "lower prices"?

1) Publish health care prices for surgeries et al.
2) Open free market from other countries in the area of drugs.
3) Don’t have a one-care provider - llet there be some competition
4) Open for suggestions.

True story…

I use to go to Stewart Labs to check my blood so that I could use the information for natural treatments (herbs et al).

Price tag $189 - year 2020

Now I have medicare while they shut down Stewart Labs due to “new regulations”.

Price tag? $1,200+
Minus Medicare - $900+
My payment - $300.+

Who passed what law?

 

[metis]

Did you know that many countries also expect, on top of the higher taxes, that a person carry private insurance? I mean, I believe we should prioritize healthcare differently but I also think Americans should know that taxes will go up and that we may still need to carry private insurance.

With Medicare-For-All, some may not want to buy more insurance, but they would have that as an option. But I think it's a travesty that basic insurance for all is not provided here in the States.

The most popular man in Canadian history is the Saskatchewan doctor who invented their healthcare system, and during the Olympics in London, they praised the national health care system there. Yes, it generally costs more, but isn't it worth providing basic healthcare for all so no one is left out? As a fellow Catholic, I hope you'll be onboard with this.

 

[metis]

1) Publish health care prices for surgeries et al.
2) Open free market from other countries in the area of drugs.
3) Don’t have a one-care provider - llet there be some competition

That doesn't even get close to proving basic medical care and prescription drug for the poor. Even many middle-income families struggle to get needed help.

When you said "Help them, of course", exactly what do you propose? Are you going to pay their Insurnace costs and medical bills personally?

The Preamble to the Constitution states that the government is to "...provide for the general welfare...", so are we to take that serious or replace it with "worship the almighty dollar"? When I'm overseas, I know I'm covered, such as when I was in my wife's Sicily and visited one of their hospitals and asked questions. So, here we are the wealthiest country in the world, and we can't provide even basic healthcare for all? That's "Christian" how?

 

[metis]

Price tag $189 - year 2020

Now I have medicare while they shut down Stewart Labs due to “new regulations”.

Price tag? $1,200+
Minus Medicare - $900+
My payment - $300.+

Who passed what law?

I think we would have to see exactly what was being paid for and why, so I can't answer such a hypothetical question without the resources to check it out.

Either way, you're not dealing with those in lower and some middle-income families who badly need basic insurance but can't afford it. I would think that should be high on your list as Jesus commands us to help with the poor and widows.

 

[Kenny]

That doesn't even get close to proving basic medical care and prescription drug for the poor. Even many middle-income families struggle to get needed help.

True… but that is a whole nudder subject… with little hope because both sides have money coming from them

When you said "Help them, of course", exactly what do you propose? Are you going to pay their Insurnace costs and medical bills personally?

I gave three suggestions… and asked you to provide one. Must I do all the thinking?

The Preamble to the Constitution states that the government is to "...provide for the general welfare...", so are we to take that serious or replace it with "worship the almighty dollar"? When I'm overseas, I know I'm covered, such as when I was in my wife's Sicily and visited one of their hospitals and asked questions. So, here we are the wealthiest country in the world, and we can't provide even basic healthcare for all? That's "Christian" how?

There was a time when anyone who is sick would get help. Would it be that we could return to those times.

 

[metis]

The information is correct no matter who posts it.

Well, let's see:

Top Recipients of Contributions from Lobbyists, 2024 Cycle

These are the members who received the most from lobbyists who are also calling on congressional offices to influence policy.

www.opensecrets.org

BTW, from your own link: “But Democrats are the only party that has taken bold action to fight drugmakers’ greed and lower drug prices.”

 

[Kenny]

Well, let's see:

Top Recipients of Contributions from Lobbyists, 2024 Cycle

These are the members who received the most from lobbyists who are also calling on congressional offices to influence policy.

www.opensecrets.org

BTW, from your own link: “But Democrats are the only party that has taken bold action to fight drugmakers’ greed and lower drug prices.”

WAIT…. wasn’t that link from the biased NY Post?

Your list confirmed what I said… lobbyist are from both parties… down with lobbyist.

Another note… The BIG TALK GIVETH… but the laws taketh away. I hear a lot of drums and loud shouts on on both sides without much action.

 

[metis]

I gave three suggestions… and asked you to provide one. Must I do all the thinking?

LOL!

BTW, those three you posted we already have to a large extent [at least here in Michigan], and yet they simply don't even get close to seriously ameliorating the problem.