Demons, is there any evidence they even exist?

[Eddi]

Why, you don’t believe the Scripture

Why?

I want to know if there is some kind of a scriptural basis to your claims

 

[Eddi]

I don’t know why He speaks to me, all I know is these words are gifts of the Spirit, the reason for receiving them is something I’ll only find out when I get to heaven. He does speak to a few other Christians but not all.
One word He gave me out of hundreds was “you’re special” but He pronounced special similar to speeeecial, prolonging the first vowel. I have to interpret these words. But I am humble and every Christian is special I believe to God.

How can you be sure it's actually God who is talking to you?

I mean, just because the voice idenitifies itself as the voice of God doesn't mean it is God

I think you're being a little naive here...

You do know that voices claiming to be God is a symptom of Schizophrenia? No matter how realistic they seem?

My "voice" went through a prolonged stage of identifying itself as God and I foolishly believed that it was God

(But that's a very long story)

Why don't you interrogate it?

If I had a voice claiming to be God I'd demand answers such as "why me?"

I did that to my voice when it was claiming to be God

Once I did this it changed its tune

That's just a suggestion

I mean, has it given you any sort of special revelation for you to share with humankind? If not, then what's the point of it speaking to you?????

If it's chosen to talk to you then surely you are within your rights to talk back, and ask it things?

It's in your head and you should be the boss of your own head

So stand up to it and question it

In my opinion, you are choosing to believe it's God because the alternative (that it's a symptom of a psychotic illness) is scary and means that you are unwell

When I believed my voice was something other than a symptom I think I was guilty of wishful thinking

There is no shame in having a mental illness

 

[Apostle John]

How can you be sure it's actually God who is talking to you?

I mean, just because the voice idenitifies itself as the voice of God doesn't mean it is God

I think you're being a little naive here...

You do know that voices claiming to be God is a symptom of Schizophrenia? No matter how realistic they seem?

My "voice" went through a prolonged stage of identifying itself as God and I foolishly believed that it was God

(But that's a very long story)

Why don't you interrogate it?

If I had a voice claiming to be God I'd demand answers such as "why me?"

I did that to my voice when it was claiming to be God

Once I did this it changed its tune

That's just a suggestion

I mean, has it given you any sort of special revelation for you to share with humankind? If not, then what's the point of it speaking to you?????

If it's chosen to talk to you then surely you are within your rights to talk back, and ask it things?

It's in your head and you should be the boss of your own head

So stand up to it and question it

In my opinion, you are choosing to believe it's God because the alternative (that it's a symptom of a psychotic illness) is scary and means that you are unwell

When I believed my voice was something other than a symptom I think I was guilty of wishful thinking

There is no shame in having a mental illness

You had Satan but more probably a demon or demons. That’s what causes illness and not just mental.

 

[Eddi]

You had Satan but more probably a demon or demons. That’s what causes illness and not just mental.

So, the only reason you think it's God is because it tells you it's God?

I'm sorry, but that's a very poor reason

It's totally naive

Can I ask, do you expect other people to believe that it is God who is talking to you?

And do you discuss this openly when you're not on the internet?

 

[ElishaElijah]

Why?

I want to know if there is some kind of a scriptural basis to your claims

There is and if you’re a believer in Christ you can find it, but if someone professing to be in Christ and they say they don’t believe the Scriptures then why talk anymore about them to that person.

 

[ElishaElijah]

Good day all, been good

“Let all those who seek You rejoice and be glad in You; And let those who love Your salvation say continually, “Let God be magnified!””
‭‭Psalms‬ ‭70‬:‭4‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

 

[Sgt. Pepper]

Why?

I want to know if there is some kind of a scriptural basis to your claims

I don't think "because the Bible says so" is a good enough reason to believe a Christian's interpretation of the Bible when they quote scripture.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

I learned absolutely nothing about how to detect a demon from this video. Every criteria he listed can be answered by other explanations better.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

How am I “cutting people up”? Who ever said I was superior? Jesus is the one who is awesome.
I was one of the worst who received mercy and was healed, nothing good in me except His Spirit.
I do help people and the only reason I’m on this thread is so anyone who wants to can know who and how I was delivered. Can seek out Jesus Christ for themselves and also know people are still being delivered from demons today “In the Name of Jesus”. Not my name or by any of my own strength or wisdom but it all comes from The Lord Jesus Christ as the Bible says and that’s my view.

You tell people you can detect demons, but can't tell anyone how. You advocate that people should ignore doctors and just assume they are possessed by demons that you can't verify exist. You equate the illegal abuse of drugs and the abuse of alcohol with reasonable and rational application of modern medicine and drug therapy and encourage people to ignore the facts and assume demons. How does any of that really help people?

 

[Dan From Smithville]

Demons, is there any evidence they even exist?

If so what is the evidence?

So far, I have seen a lot of empty claims, but no evidence for demons or how to detect them. It doesn't look like any of the people that make claims about demons know what they are talking about.

I can say that demons are not dark matter, gravity or the distance from the earth to the sun. That much is clear.

I can't say the don't exist, but I haven't seen anything that would convince me that they are or that those that claim knowledge of them could tell a demon from a bag of elbows.

Mental health is a real issue. Seek the help of rational, trained and educated mental health practitioners. Talk to somebody. Pray. It can help too. I think God does listen. But it isn't magic.

 

[YoursTrue]

Cognitive therapy has kept me from ending everything. I pray but as God didn’t save Jesus, I don’t expect prayers to help so I get therapy.

Jesus did not kill himself. This life is not so easy, I do have compassion for you.

 

[YoursTrue]

Yeah, it’s weird how we should trust testimony, but Jesus is arrested and crucified over testimony.

Do you believe that, or do you say that's what it says, in other words, not necessarily what you believe happened.

 

[YoursTrue]

I didn't get "hooked" but I was taken off Haldol for anger, and there was a reaction that gave me Tardive Dyskinesia. Tardive dyskinesia (TD) is a movement disorder characterized by uncontrollable, abnormal, and repetitive movements of the face, torso, and/or other body parts..

Fortunately there was drug to counteract that, though after a period of hell. For a time I had a lot of trouble walking, and couldn't eat because my jaws chattered uncontrollably when I tried to chew.

Yes, I know what tardive dyskinesia is. We all have choices. Well, at least most of us do. Some people (like those in institutions or have other circumstances such as being minors or in jail) may not have choices. P.S. i'm not suggesting anyone gets off prescribed medication, but we have choices sometimes.

 

[Eddi]

There is and if you’re a believer in Christ you can find it, but if someone professing to be in Christ and they say they don’t believe the Scriptures then why talk anymore about them to that person.

I do believe in scripture

That's why I want to see it in this instance

You're being very evasive

So, again - you're saying that to be a Christian requires a belief in demonic posession:

Please, use scripture to support this claim

Show me what you got

I'm not just going to blindly take your word for it

 

[Aupmanyav]

In other words there is no evidence for WHAT the cause is. The only evidence observed is evidence of effect.

In the second sentence you say that the evidence is observed. If there is an effect, then the effect must have some cause. That is the way science works. Finds discrepancies in observations and then tries to look for answers to it. At the moment we may have pointers, but not the answer.

 

[Hockeycowboy]

How can you be sure it's actually God who is talking to you?

I mean, just because the voice idenitifies itself as the voice of God doesn't mean it is God

This is a very good point!

 

[Sgt. Pepper]

I’m curious…
What do you think about @Sgt. Pepper ‘s posts about her experiences? She hasn’t just posted about what she perceives as ‘human spirits’; she has also detected what she calls “spirits [who] were not actual living people”:

What “ordinary phenomenon,” do you think, could explain these occurrences?

What does it take to convince you? (Since the Biblical accounts about Jesus’ experiences don’t?)

I'll tell you what I told another Christian member who focused their attention on Dan From Smithville and seemed to be trying to put him on the spot.

I mean no disrespect to Dan, and it's not personal, but I'm not interested in how he interprets anything I've said recently or previously about my medium abilities or about my experiences as a medium. As I've stated numerous times on this forum (for example, in this thread; see here and here), I won't argue or debate with anyone about my mediumship or my experiences as a medium and paranormal investigator. As far as I'm concerned, people are free to believe me or not, and the decision is entirely up to them. I believe I've made it abundantly clear in my posts regarding these subjects that I don't care one way or the other. Any skepticism or religious objection to my mediumship abilities is irrelevant to me because these objections about whether my abilities are real or not won't alter the fact that I have lived with them my entire life, and I won't suppress them again out of fear of what other people will think.

As I've stated in similar discussions, I don't post about my experiences as a medium or with the paranormal in order to argue, debate, or persuade skeptics to believe me. I post about my mediumship on RF so that others who don't have these abilities can experience what I see, hear, and feel on a daily basis. I also post threads detailing my paranormal investigations in order to share my experiences with others who haven't had paranormal experiences like mine.

And, as I explained in another thread (see here), I've spent over a year on this forum, posting about my personal experiences as a psychic medium and seasoned paranormal investigator, as well as commenting in numerous other threads. RF has given me a unique platform to discuss my mediumship and paranormal experiences. I've never been on a forum like this one or even on Facebook (or any other social media platform) where I felt free to discuss these topics without fear of being constantly slammed with malicious remarks that call my sanity into question or relentlessly lectured about believing in the paranormal. I sincerely value my anonymity on RF, and I'm grateful to be a part of this diverse online community. RF has become my online sanctuary.

Finally, I want to make it clear that I don't care what Christians believe about psychic mediumship or what they think about mine or my experiences as a medium and paranormal investigator. As far as I'm concerned, they should mind their own business and keep their pious judgments to themselves, as well as refrain from imposing their beliefs on others. If Christians spent a little more time minding their own business, they would have less time to mind mine.

(Sorry about that, @Dan From Smithville.)

And you, too, @SkepticThinker ? Although I know the Bible carries no weight with you; but what about Sgt.Pepper’s detailed experiences?

What I said about Dan From Smithville and about not arguing and debating with others about my mediumship and experiences as a psychic medium also applies to SkepticThinker. As far as I'm concerned, it's entirely up to her whether she believes me or not. I'm not interested in convincing her or anyone else that psychic mediumship is real, that there are earthbound human spirits, and that they are capable of communicating and interacting with the living.

(Sorry about that, @SkepticThinker.)

I gotta give Sgt.Pepper (and others on here) who have the courage to post about their encounters, in spite of the fact that they may have to face ridicule, apathy & belittling behaviors.

That was very thoughtful of you to say. Thank you. I've shared many of my experiences on RF, such as in this post here, and I believe that is sufficient.

 

[Apostle John]

So, the only reason you think it's God is because it tells you it's God?

I'm sorry, but that's a very poor reason

It's totally naive

Can I ask, do you expect other people to believe that it is God who is talking to you?

And do you discuss this openly when you're not on the internet?

I never said that, why don’t you read what I said carefully? No I don’t expect many other people to believe me.

Regarding discussing it openly, no I don’t. If I found someone open-minded I would but most people are affected and conditioned by demons to believe God doesn’t talk to some.

With the hearing voices phenomenon, the experiences are so diverse most of them have no clarity and unfortunately suffer with demons. Good luck for the future.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

I'll tell you what I told another Christian member who focused their attention on Dan From Smithville and seemed to be trying to put him on the spot.

I mean no disrespect to Dan, and it's not personal, but I'm not interested in how he interprets anything I've said recently or previously about my medium abilities or about my experiences as a medium. As I've stated numerous times on this forum (for example, in this thread; see here and here), I won't argue or debate with anyone about my mediumship or my experiences as a medium and paranormal investigator. As far as I'm concerned, people are free to believe me or not, and the decision is entirely up to them. I believe I've made it abundantly clear in my posts regarding these subjects that I don't care one way or the other. Any skepticism or religious objection to my mediumship abilities is irrelevant to me because these objections about whether my abilities are real or not won't alter the fact that I have lived with them my entire life, and I won't suppress them again out of fear of what other people will think.

As I've stated in similar discussions, I don't post about my experiences as a medium or with the paranormal in order to argue, debate, or persuade skeptics to believe me. I post about my mediumship on RF so that others who don't have these abilities can experience what I see, hear, and feel on a daily basis. I also post threads detailing my paranormal investigations in order to share my experiences with others who haven't had paranormal experiences like mine.

And, as I explained in another thread (see here), I've spent over a year on this forum, posting about my personal experiences as a psychic medium and seasoned paranormal investigator, as well as commenting in numerous other threads. RF has given me a unique platform to discuss my mediumship and paranormal experiences. I've never been on a forum like this one or even on Facebook (or any other social media platform) where I felt free to discuss these topics without fear of being constantly slammed with malicious remarks that call my sanity into question or relentlessly lectured about believing in the paranormal. I sincerely value my anonymity on RF, and I'm grateful to be a part of this diverse online community. RF has become my online sanctuary.

Finally, I want to make it clear that I don't care what Christians believe about psychic mediumship or what they think about mine or my experiences as a medium and paranormal investigator. As far as I'm concerned, they should mind their own business and keep their pious judgments to themselves, as well as refrain from imposing their beliefs on others. If Christians spent a little more time minding their own business, they would have less time to mind mine.

(Sorry about that, @Dan From Smithville.)



What I said about Dan From Smithville and about not arguing and debating with others about my mediumship and experiences as a psychic medium also applies to SkepticThinker. As far as I'm concerned, it's entirely up to her whether she believes me or not. I'm not interested in convincing her or anyone else that psychic mediumship is real, that there are earthbound human spirits, and that they are capable of communicating and interacting with the living.

(Sorry about that, @SkepticThinker.)



That was very thoughtful of you to say. Thank you. I've shared many of my experiences on RF, such as in this post here, and I believe that is sufficient.

This isn't about what I think. I can neither prove that certain things exists or don't, but I admit that. What the tactic of asking me what I think of some other issue is used for is to avoid the burden of proof that others cannot meet and shift it to someone else. Me in this case. You or I are not the topic of this thread. It is a thread about the evidence for the existence of demons. Evidence that no one has provided and clearly cannot. That is the only thing that should be being discussed. So what I think about another poster or their interests is irrelevant.

I've seen similar strategies and actions employed by posters of certain groups that are consistent and across the board. The plethora of logical fallacies that you, me and others are assailed with covers most of those known, formal and informal. Pointing those out is addressed as an insult when it is not. I've been told I was insulting when there was no insult except that which I received for that matter. I have seen the same happen to others. In some cases, it seems to me as if all I am going to get are childish retorts and run around. Again, I have seen the same evidence of it happening to others. Passive aggressive attempts to demean to do it without penalty. The shifting of the burden of proof is common. If successful, it relieves the shifter of defending their position and they can now go on the attack. That is the point of continually employing this strategy. Keep the conversation alive so the particular opinion is always out there as the "default explanation" and turn the attack.

I'm not really interested in abetting the swap and relieving those that cannot meet their burden of proof for their claims. I'm not interested in listening to those that use such tactics instead of the honorable debate these things should be. I don't perceive any real interest in what I think. I see it as another ploy.

What I believe or do not believe is unimportant to what is claimed and consistently failed to be given support by those that are supposed to hold a position where such tactics should be an anathema. But instead, rely on the worst features of debate to be sustained.

I wouldn't council anyone to not believe what they believe. I don't pretend to hold that authority. I hold beliefs of my own. But what is claimed in the public space, that is open for debate and discussion and a demand for evidence to sustain the claims.

I appreciate your response and I think we would have an honest and friendly discussion if it ever came to that.

 

[Kelly of the Phoenix]

My wife dealt with psychosis 15 years ago. It was hell on earth, believe me. Our lives were completely and utterly disrupted. I got completely exhausted. She was completely convinced the entire world was against her, that people on TV were talking about her, that there was a conspiracy at work against her,... And all this was "told" to her by the voices in her head.

My mom is going through this now and social services said that I would have to get the courts involved to get her help because she refuses but that would put my life in danger so I just have to put up with it, I guess.