Demons, is there any evidence they even exist?

[YoursTrue]

Well said, Dan.

So sorry, I haven't really been reading many of your posts. I like Dan and while I disagree with his viewpoint on many things, I must say that I have not been reading much from or about you. Maybe I'll start.

 

[Sgt. Pepper]

Thank you. I'm sorry that I have to say anything like that. I shouldn't have to.

Not a problem, Dan. Yeah, you shouldn't have to, especially when you told one particular person to back off.

Demons, is there any evidence they even exist?

You’re unredeeming sarcasm does nothing to defend your now falsified theory. :rolleyes: Try again. So. Per you. Humans alone have been granted the divine power of “conscience and sense of morality”. Yet this has been and continues to be repeatedly falsified. So.… since your theory has...

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[Dan From Smithville]

Well said, Dan.

I think my presence here is too much of a diversion from the OP and offers excuse for a failure to provide proper evidence the OP requests. I don't want to be any more of a distraction and excuse than I have been. Thank you for your support. It is much appreciated. It may be best that I find other topics to discuss.

 

[YoursTrue]

It's a shame...that's all I have to say.

 

[Sgt. Pepper]

I think my presence here is too much of a diversion from the OP and offers excuse for a failure to provide proper evidence the OP requests. I don't want to be any more of a distraction and excuse than I have been. Thank you for your support. It is much appreciated. It may be best that I find other topics to discuss.

I think you should be able to participate in this thread without becoming the target, being harassed, or having your personal Christian faith questioned.

 

[YoursTrue]

Not a problem, Dan. Yeah, you shouldn't have to, especially when you told one particular person to back off.

Demons, is there any evidence they even exist?

You’re unredeeming sarcasm does nothing to defend your now falsified theory. :rolleyes: Try again. So. Per you. Humans alone have been granted the divine power of “conscience and sense of morality”. Yet this has been and continues to be repeatedly falsified. So.… since your theory has...

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Yeah, why consider whether there are demons if a person doesn't believe what the Bible says anyway? Hmm?

 

[Dan From Smithville]

Before leaving, I would like to provide a reminder that the OP isn't asking about the basic beliefs of others. Those are irrelevant to the questions being asked. It was asking for evidence that can be used for others to independently determine the existence and action of demons. If there is any. I think more importantly, the point is that we be sure that people that need help are not dismissed as some sort of possessed person when they need help.

I haven't seen anyone present evidence that God doesn't want applied psychology and psychiatry practiced or that these things are not blessings. Surely, none of the demon believers wants people to suffer needlessly and make incorrect conclusions about what is wrong with them.

 

[YoursTrue]

I think you should be able to participate in this thread without becoming the target, being harassed, or having your personal Christian faith questioned.

why? Dan is not the target by the way. I really haven't read too many of your posts so I don't know what you 'believe.'

 

[YoursTrue]

Before leaving, I would like to provide a reminder that the OP isn't asking about the basic beliefs of others. Those are irrelevant to the questions being asked. It was asking for evidence that can be used for others to independently determine the existence and action of demons. If there is any. I think more importantly, the point is that we be sure that people that need help are not dismissed as some sort of possessed person when they need help.

I haven't seen anyone present evidence that God doesn't want applied psychology and psychiatry practiced or that these things are not blessings. Surely, none of the demon believers wants people to suffer needlessly and make incorrect conclusions about what is wrong with them.

Unbelievable the type of logic used.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

I think you should be able to participate in this thread without becoming the target, being harassed, or having your personal Christian faith questioned.

I appreciate that and I'm not abandoning it, just letting it rest without my presence as a distraction for a while. Clearly how I believe is an issue for some. I have my own ideas why, but none of that is the topic of the thread.

 

[Sgt. Pepper]

Before leaving, I would like to provide a reminder that the OP isn't asking about the basic beliefs of others. Those are irrelevant to the questions being asked. It was asking for evidence that can be used for others to independently determine the existence and action of demons. If there is any. I think more importantly, the point is that we be sure that people that need help are not dismissed as some sort of possessed person when they need help.

I haven't seen anyone present evidence that God doesn't want applied psychology and psychiatry practiced or that these things are not blessings. Surely, none of the demon believers wants people to suffer needlessly and make incorrect conclusions about what is wrong with them.

I appreciate that and I'm not abandoning it, just letting it rest without my presence as a distraction for a while. Clearly how I believe is an issue for some. I have my own ideas why, but none of that is topic of the thread.

Dan, I believe your contributions to this thread have been insightful thus far. I hope you will come back soon and continue to participate.

 

[Hockeycowboy]

To all here:
I think @Sgt. Pepper ‘s evidence she has posted on this thread and others, prove that there exist genuine invisible but intelligent entities, beyond doubt. (Despite her “like” ratings for comments opposing mine, I still say that she is experiencing real entities. We just disagree on their source: I say it’s all from one: “angels that sinned.”)

What do think? That she’s not experiencing real unseen entities?That she’s “simply mistaken”? No way!
Why won’t you naysayers - you know who you are - own up to it? Are you too wedded to your natural methodologies? Your whole world perspective would have to change, wouldn’t it?

One person here said they’d have to examine the evidence on a case by case basis, basically in person. I wonder if the distance isn’t too prohibitive, whether they’ll really do it?

But like I stated earlier, these entities’ main purpose is to dissuade people from searching for and gaining accurate knowledge of our Creator, the True God Jehovah.

So they probably never would manifest their true identity (IOW, as what they are, intelligent fallen angels, not as dead humans) to those inclined to atheism & other skeptics, because the experience might just lead to that person’s world perspective changing, ie., a spiritual awakening, and that person begins searching for God.
That’s the last thing these fallen angels want! They are very ambiguous and unpredictable, facets that Sgt Pepper can verify.

I believe they act that way for a reason, explained above. Scriptural support can be provided, if anyone is interested.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

Dan, I believe your contributions to this thread have been insightful thus far. I hope you will come back soon and continue to participate.

I'll be back. I just wish those that claim that demons exist would provide their own evidence if they think it is good enough and stop putting others on the spot to take that burden off themselves.

 

[YoursTrue]

Ah . . . no we do not have eyewitness accounts of the Resurrection. All accounts are later compilations which lack provenance dated not even near the life of Jesus. We have many claims of recent first hand accounts of UFOs and aliens, some very recent documented accounts by reliable military sources.

Would you say there are eyewitness accounts of demons?

 

[YoursTrue]

Ah . . . no we do not have eyewitness accounts of the Resurrection. All accounts are later compilations which lack provenance dated not even near the life of Jesus. We have many claims of recent first hand accounts of UFOs and aliens, some very recent documented accounts by reliable military sources.

So you believe there are possibly credible accounts (eyewitnesses) of UFOs and aliens, but none of the resurrection of Jesus?

 

[YoursTrue]

I'll be back. I just wish those that claim that demons exist would provide their own evidence if they think it is good enough and stop putting others on the spot to take that burden off themselves.

I think those who believe the Biblical account would say demons exist. Those who don't believe the biblical account -- yes, it leaves a lot open to question, especially if they claim to be Christian.

 

[YoursTrue]

I 'believe' the Unicorns and Chinese dragons can take care of the Demons.

somehow I believe you do believe that.

 

[DNB]

You think a lot of things.

Now its
"spiritual dimension in his oncology. Invoking metaphysics,
as if that were anything but vapour.

What's wrong with " in response to ignorance, people may
adopt superstitious explsnstions", instead of making up
pseudo-weighty mum jum terms?

Usually that's taken as a sign of a lack of substance or
rigour in thought.

A theologian will talk circles around your head, and all the other atheists on this site, in regards to the nature and consequence of evil and depravity, the edification of holiness and righteousness, the insatiability of lust, the hypocrisy of not loving others as yourself, the wisdom of faith, the serenity and joy of a holy lifestyle, the character building of altruism, the destruction of character in hedonism, etc...

None of this is superstition, but demonstrable fact. ...and entire oblivion on the atheist's part.

 

[Audie]

A theologian will talk circles around your head, and all the other atheists on this site, in regards to the nature and consequence of evil and depravity, the edification of holiness and righteousness, the insatiability of lust, the hypocrisy of not loving others as yourself, the wisdom of faith, the serenity and joy of a holy lifestyle, the character building of altruism, the destruction of character in hedonism, etc...

None of this is superstition, but demonstrable fact. ...and entire oblivion on the atheist's part.

And your big sister could beat me up?

I've heard " theologians" jabber. I'm so impressed.
"edification of holiness"
A demonstrable fact, you call it. : D As- If.

But of course the basic human psychology
you speak of is stuff worked out in every culture,
and has nothing to do with " suoernatural" or
any other superstition.

Any capable speaker can talk about it. There's no
" metaphysics" in it.

NONE of your boasting about your " theologians" being so
clever is convincing, or has anything to do with
what I'm said in my post.

Just further confirmation that your trying to
talk about this, what was it, " spiritual dimension
in human ontology" or somesuch meaningless
puffery, is vapor. You've nothing there.

 

[YoursTrue]

In my opinion and experience, it's pointless to argue with a skeptic of the paranormal. As I've stated numerous times on this forum, I believe that "seeing is believing." This is because I've seen it happen time and time again with skeptics who were adamantly opposed to believing in the paranormal until they had an experience (or multiple experiences) with the paranormal that they couldn't explain or debunk, and it caused them to either begin to genuinely believe in the paranormal or admit that their experience could possibly have been paranormal. My husband, for example, was a cautious skeptic until he had his first paranormal experience in July 2021 and his second experience not quite a month ago in Tulsa, Oklahoma. He was a cautious skeptic for a long time after I told him about my mediumship, but then he had an experience of his own while he was with me during a paranormal investigation at the Crescent Hotel in Eureka Springs, Arkansas. He always believed me when I told him about my experiences, but he had never had an undeniable experience of his own until we were together at America's most haunted hotel. He heard multiple Class A EVPs while I was conducting burst EVP sessions throughout the hotel and on the hotel grounds. He saw the images that appeared live on my SLS camera, as well as thermal images and photographs of some spirits taken by other paranormal investigators who were also present at the hotel. We later went on one of the hotel's nightly ghost tours, and he was impressed with the EMF readings and Class A EVPs that were captured while we were on the tour. We also experienced some poltergeist activity in our room later that night. The covers on our bed were pulled off onto the floor, we heard knocking in the bathroom, the faucets in the sink and the shower turned on by themselves, and we heard a disembodied voice in our room. My husband described himself as a "cautious skeptic" prior to his personal experiences at the Crescent Hotel, and he told me that it would be dishonest for him to continue to be one after everything he has personally witnessed at the Crescent.

So you are sure that demons or ghosts exist, is that your belief?