Derpy Donny and the totally unforeseeable pandemic

[Revoltingest]

You almost have to be a racist to think Trump is not a racist.

One must be a bigot to claim someone is
a racist without cromulently arguing why.
(One prolly has a really bad haircut too.)

 

[ecco]

But neither does having a black friend prove he's a racist.
Calling him "racist" & "anti-semite" is just what his foes love to say.
They don't offer a cogent argument with evidence.
They just all agree upon the belief....& agreement is truth, eh.
Come on.

All those brown-skinned Central American Rapists and Murderers.
The Chinese virus.
Those Muslims.

 

[ecco]

I read more posts than anyone else here.

Some of us actually have lives.

There's a big problem here that Trump's critics don't understand.
They're trying to distill all of what Trump is & does into a few insulting labels.

"A few insulting labels"?

Racist
Narcissist
Pathological Liar
Womanizer
Blasphemer

Need I go on? Do you really need examples? They are out there. If you don't know that, you really need to spend a little time away from RF and maybe read an online newspaper or watch some televised coverages of his actual comments.

So they need to make the argument that the label does indeed define him.
They haven't. Can they? If they could, they would.

See above.

 

[Revoltingest]

All those brown-skinned Central American Rapists and Murderers.
The Chinese virus.
Those Muslims.

A list of groups.....now that is one cromulent evidence based argument.
<snicker>
I expect more from a beloved shoe brand.

The "Chinese virus" is a direct retaliation to China blaming Ameristan's
Army for introducing the virus into China. So in this case it's about the
country, not the race.
Am I the only one who consumes broadly based news?
It sure seems that way at times like this.

 

[ecco]

A list of groups.....now that is one cromulent evidence based argument.
<snicker>

Am I the only one who consumes broadly based news?

If you actually consumed broadly based news you would know that that is not a list of groups, it is a tiny portion of Trump's actual comments.

 

[Revoltingest]

True. Some of us actually have lives.

I wouldn't brag about that if I were you.
You spend yours here on RF bickering with me.

"A few insulting labels"?

Racist
Narcissist
Pathological Liar
Womanizer
Blasphemer

Need I go on? Do you really need examples? They are out there. If you don't know that, you really need to spend a little time away from RF and maybe read an online newspaper or watch some televised coverages of his actual comments.

You people & your labels....you shout them back & forth to each other,
eschewing reason, circumspection, evidence, & argument. You whip
each other up into a frenzy of anti-Trump paroxysms of anger & hate.
It gets you nowhere. It interferes with running a good opposition candidate.
And it suppresses your immune system.
I recommend equanimity & a positive outlook....they keep me healthy.

I like the last one..."blasphemer".
I'm one of those.
I'm also a felonious "draft dodger".

 

[Revoltingest]

If you actually consumed broadly based news you would know that that is not a list of groups, it is a tiny portion of Trump's actual comments.

Still....you try to make a cogent argument by showing me a list?
I begin to suspect that you're just trying to build your post count.

 

[fantome profane]

The "Chinese virus" is a direct retaliation to China blaming Ameristan's
Army

But but but. ... he did it first!

It is an infantile and dangerous response that appeals to our worst nature. We don’t need to go there.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

But but but. ... he did it first!

It is an infantile and dangerous response that appeals to our worst nature. We don’t need to go there.

I predicted the inevitable tu quoque by post 3. They got nuthin' with which to defend their false orange idol, so all you get is spin, bluster and a desperate attempt to change the subject to anything else. Don't be drawn.

 

[Revoltingest]

But but but. ... he did it first!

It is an infantile and dangerous response that appeals to our worst nature. We don’t need to go there.

Well, I never claimed that it was a productive response.
But it's understandable retaliation against China's boneheaded claim.

Using the place of origin to name a disease is commonly done, eg....
Lassa Fever, Ebola, Guinea Worm, West Nile Virus (racist against Africans?)
German Measles.Marburg Virus (racist against Germans?)
Ross River Fever (racist against Aussies?)
Omsk Hemorrhagic Fever (racist against Russians?)
La Cross Encephalitis, St Louis Encephalitis, Rocky Mountain Spotted Fever, Lyme Disease (racist against Ameristanians?)

 

[Revoltingest]

I predicted the inevitable tu quoque by post 3. They got nuthin' with which to defend their false orange idol, so all you get is spin, bluster and a desperate attempt to change the subject to anything else. Don't be drawn.

You totally misunderstand.
We had false claims of racism regarding his calling it the "Chinese virus".
I knew better, & saw fit to correct & inform our wayward members.
Or do you oppose correcting erroneous claims about Trump?

 

[fantome profane]

Well, I never claimed that it was a productive response.

No you didn’t. But nor did you condemn it as racist.

Would you now?

 

[Revoltingest]

No you didn’t. But nor did you condemn it as racist.

Would you now?

I disagree with that it's about race.
It was his direct response to false Chinese claims that
Ameristan introduced the virus into China. The fact
that China is overwhelmingly populated with asians
is irrelevant."Chinese" is not even a race.

You got caught pushing a bogus claim.
Just admit, & move on.

 

[fantome profane]

I disagree with that it's about race.
It was his direct response to false Chinese claims that
Ameristan introduced the virus into China. The fact
that China is overwhelmingly populated with asians
is irrelevant."Chinese" is not even a race.

You got caught pushing a bogus claim.
Just admit, & move on.

So you are defending the use of the term, and criticizing me for pointing out how racist it is. Good to be clear.

Btw, how do you feel about calling Covid 19 the “Kung Flu”? Will you defend or condemn that?

 

[SkepticThinker]

No, but it seemed a fun thing to post.

I read more posts than anyone else here.
If you know of such an argument, feel free to present
it...not just claim that it might exist somewhere.

But I do think we need to give Trump a piece of cheese.


There's a big problem here that Trump's critics don't understand.
They're trying to distill all of what Trump is & does into a few insulting labels.
This ignores the larger picture & all the details.
Is he racist? Well, who isn't in some circumstances & times.
I'm not above bigotry. Neither are you.
I see bigotry creep into posts of even the most saintly (in their own minds)
of posters on RF. Yet they wouldn't allow each other to be characterized
totally by the the label of "bigot".
So they need to make the argument that the label does indeed define him.
They haven't. Can they? If they could, they would.

While I may agree with you to some extent, Trump is far beyond "accidentally" saying a bigoted thing here and there. There is a consistent pattern with him that can't be brushed off as "well who isn't racist sometimes?"

 

[Revoltingest]

So you are defending the use of the term, and criticizing me for pointing out how racist it is. Good to be clear.

Do you not even read the posts you respond to?
From my post (#90)....
"...I never claimed that it was a productive response."

I'm criticizing you only for purposely misrepresenting the term as "racist".
You know better.

Btw, how do you feel about calling Covid 19 the “Kung Flu”? Will you defend or condemn that?

I'll educate you a little....
"Kung fu" (aka gong fu) is a Beijing Hua (Mandarin Chinese)
phrase, & therefore associated with China, but not asians in general.
So "Kung Flu" is a pretty clever joke.
Sigh....I suppose you're going to cry "Racism!" once gain?

My goodness, you people are so aggressively out to be offended
by Trump that you'll grasp at any straw. I recommend giving up
on the hate, & instead examine policies. There are plenty of
those worthy of real analysis & criticism.

 

[fantome profane]

I suppose you're going to cry "Racism!" once gain?

Yes, clearly.

 

[Revoltingest]

While I may agree with you to some extent, Trump is far beyond "accidentally" saying a bigoted thing here and there. There is a consistent pattern with him that can't be brushed off as "well who isn't racist sometimes?"

It's not cromulent to say that because Trump is generally this
or that, using it as justification to paint his every word as such.
People are ignoring his reason for using the term, & using
their general feeling towards him instead. This is prejudice.

 

[Revoltingest]

Yes, clearly.

Hah!
I predicted it.
Are you defending China's claim that our army gave them the virus?
(I ask because you've been silent on that, other than objecting to
Trump's retaliating for their claim.)

Hey, is it racist to say "German measles" & "Lyme Disease"?

 

[dfnj]

I disagree with that it's about race.
It was his direct response to false Chinese claims that
Ameristan introduced the virus into China. The fact
that China is overwhelmingly populated with asians
is irrelevant."Chinese" is not even a race.

You got caught pushing a bogus claim.
Just admit, & move on.

I thought initially the Chinese said the virus came from livestock at a market. And then Trump made some comments with a derogatory tone. This infuriated the Chinese who then made up the story about the US military brought the virus to the China during the military martial arts games in Wuhan back in October.

I think there are too parts to this equation with regards to racists remarks. The first part is the person saying it. The second part is the person hearing it. To be honest with you this immature tit for tat pissing contest BS infuriates me. People are dying from the corona virus. This is not the time to bite the hand the is providing us medical supplies. Now is the time for the president to mench up, apologize to the Chinese, and get them to start delivering us medical supplies again.