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DeSantis Would Be Bad News As Prez

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
In the news....
Excerpted...
ORLANDO — The fallout came fast when Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis’s new election police unit charged Peter Washington with voter fraud last summer as part of a crackdown against felons who’d allegedly broken the law by casting a ballot.

The Orlando resident lost his job supervising irrigation projects, and along with it, his family’s health insurance. His wife dropped her virtual classes at Florida International University to help pay their rent. Future plans went out the window.

“It knocked me to my knees, if you want to know the truth,” he said.

But not long after, the case against Washington began falling apart. A Ninth Judicial Circuit judge ruled the statewide prosecutor who filed the charges didn’t actually have jurisdiction to do so. Washington’s attorney noted that he had received an official voter identification card in the mail after registering. The case was dismissed in February.

One by one, many of the initial 20 arrests announced by the Office of Election Crimes and Security have stumbled in court. Six cases have been dismissed. Five other defendants accepted plea deals that resulted in no jail time. Only one case has gone to trial, resulting in a split verdict. The others are pending.

In its first nine months, the new unit made just four other arrests, according to a report the agency released earlier this year. Critics say the low numbers point to the overall strength of Florida’s electoral system and a lack of sufficient evidence to pursue further charges. Nonetheless, as he gears up for a possible presidential run, DeSantis is moving to give the office more teeth, asking the legislature to nearly triple the division’s annual budget from $1.2 million to $3.1 million. The Republican governor also pushed through a bill ensuring the statewide prosecutor has jurisdiction over election crime cases — an attempt to resolve an issue several judges have raised in dismissing cases.

Voting rights advocates and defense attorneys say the expansion of the statewide prosecutor’s role to include elections enforcement is alarming. The office was created in 1986, and its portfolio typically includes offenses like extortion, racketeering and computer pornography involving two or more judicial circuits. The statewide prosecutor is appointed by the attorney general, Ashley Moody, a political ally of DeSantis, and also submits an annual report to the governor.
 

Sand Dancer

Currently catless
My favorite is the bill passed so that he won't have to leave his current job to run for president...
 

Heyo

Veteran Member
In the news....
Excerpted...
ORLANDO — The fallout came fast when Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis’s new election police unit charged Peter Washington with voter fraud last summer as part of a crackdown against felons who’d allegedly broken the law by casting a ballot.

The Orlando resident lost his job supervising irrigation projects, and along with it, his family’s health insurance. His wife dropped her virtual classes at Florida International University to help pay their rent. Future plans went out the window.

“It knocked me to my knees, if you want to know the truth,” he said.

But not long after, the case against Washington began falling apart. A Ninth Judicial Circuit judge ruled the statewide prosecutor who filed the charges didn’t actually have jurisdiction to do so. Washington’s attorney noted that he had received an official voter identification card in the mail after registering. The case was dismissed in February.

One by one, many of the initial 20 arrests announced by the Office of Election Crimes and Security have stumbled in court. Six cases have been dismissed. Five other defendants accepted plea deals that resulted in no jail time. Only one case has gone to trial, resulting in a split verdict. The others are pending.

In its first nine months, the new unit made just four other arrests, according to a report the agency released earlier this year. Critics say the low numbers point to the overall strength of Florida’s electoral system and a lack of sufficient evidence to pursue further charges. Nonetheless, as he gears up for a possible presidential run, DeSantis is moving to give the office more teeth, asking the legislature to nearly triple the division’s annual budget from $1.2 million to $3.1 million. The Republican governor also pushed through a bill ensuring the statewide prosecutor has jurisdiction over election crime cases — an attempt to resolve an issue several judges have raised in dismissing cases.

Voting rights advocates and defense attorneys say the expansion of the statewide prosecutor’s role to include elections enforcement is alarming. The office was created in 1986, and its portfolio typically includes offenses like extortion, racketeering and computer pornography involving two or more judicial circuits. The statewide prosecutor is appointed by the attorney general, Ashley Moody, a political ally of DeSantis, and also submits an annual report to the governor.
Nice to see the justice system still working every now and then. But most of the damage is already done, i.e. the Overtone window has been shifted to the right.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Nice to see the justice system still working every now and then. But most of the damage is already done, i.e. the Overtone window has been shifted to the right.
I watch for progress amid the doom & gloom of news.
The "Overtone" [sic] window might not be doing what you think.
In the news...
Government still doesn't know that most victims
of cop shootings aren't black, but at least they
inspired some return in the direction of civil rights.
 

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
At least, in Florida, election fraud is a crime and is punished.
Unlike in Detroit...you know...where anarchy prevails in a poll station... ;)
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
At least, in Florida, election fraud is a crime and is punished.
Unlike in Detroit...you know...where anarchy prevails in a poll station... ;)
You are unfamiliar with Detroit, & wrong.
It's a problem caused by consuming only
MAGA conspiratorial new sources. If one
consumes broader & local sources, one
sees a different picture.
A "jurist" should be more cautious about
what one believes.

And we sanction Republican candidates with fraudulent petitions....
 

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
You are unfamiliar with Detroit, & wrong.
Too many people have testified there were irregularities.
Honestly I will never trust the electronic voting system...because paper is something tangible and is much better.

By the way, DeSantis is the anti-Soros of the US. ;)
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Too many people have testified there were irregularities.
Honestly I will never trust the electronic voting system...because paper is something tangible and is much better.

By the way, DeSantis is the anti-Soros of the US. ;)
DeSantis is the anti-small-government candidate.
But if you really like him, I'm willing to trade him
for his weight in Parmesan Reggiano.
 

Stevicus

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
It's the American system which is flawed, because it empowers judges and lets them do whatever they want.

You started several threads about it... :)

Yes, that's often how it seems. That's why many Americans have a rather negative view of the legal profession, since the system allows for too much corruption to go unchecked.
 

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
Yes, that's often how it seems. That's why many Americans have a rather negative view of the legal profession, since the system allows for too much corruption to go unchecked.
It's not a matter of corruption.
I'd say, unbridled arrogance deriving from too much power.
 

SomeRandom

Still learning to be wise
Staff member
Premium Member
Too many people have testified there were irregularities.
Honestly I will never trust the electronic voting system...because paper is something tangible and is much better.

By the way, DeSantis is the anti-Soros of the US. ;)
Testimonies can be bought, false or even misremembered.

Paper is not endless. At least not right now.
And paper can be fraudulent too.

Neither is better than the other. Both have drawbacks and positives.

Though I’d be curious to see the results of a US election where everyone eligible voted. That would be interesting.
 

Father Heathen

Veteran Member
Too many people have testified there were irregularities.
Honestly I will never trust the electronic voting system...because paper is something tangible and is much better.

By the way, DeSantis is the anti-Soros of the US. ;)
Nobody cares about your Soros obsession.
 

SomeRandom

Still learning to be wise
Staff member
Premium Member
Nobody cares about your Soros obsession.
Okay, just real quick.
What did this Soros fellow do exactly?
I’ve heard everyone bash him and zoomers meme on him (in fairness, usually in a positive light.)
But no one’s given me any specifics

Is he supposed to be some sort of world government thingy?
Just a meme?
Satan?
Like :shrug:
 

Stevicus

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
It's not a matter of corruption.
I'd say, unbridled arrogance deriving from too much power.

Yes, that too. Although ideally, they're supposed to police their own profession. The fact that that's not happening and abuses remain largely unchecked, I would see that as evidence of corruption.
 
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